Physical SIM card are a crime against the environment. 90% plastic that isn't needed, and likely ends up in the trash instead of being recycled.
On a practical level, I’d be grateful to hear from eSIM users in the US recently, is T-Mobile $10 /month for 2GB data, still the best option? that seems to be the consensus from other threads, and I might go back to that but I haven’t needed to use it for a while, so I canceled and will re-investigate in the Fall, or sooner if a less “use it or lose it” service/plan exists.
I used the above plan via physical SIM for 1-2 years, but now I’m curious (and a bit scared) reading through this thread, whether it’ll work as “mostly okay” as it did, now that I have a newer device that is eSIM only. 🫣
How did you use the Hong Kong SIM card without registering? Or was that before 2023?
I would say that using eSims actually helps keep your phone trackable if it’s stolen- a thief won’t be able to remove your eSim and stop Find My tracking.. because there’s no sim card to remove in the first place
Physical SIM requires more planning but the biggest advantage is no gatekeepers whenever you want to transfer a SIM.
But you…..are allowed to do this?Yeah, the carriers are lucky I’m not in charge. If it were up to me, carriers wouldn’t be allowed to sell phones at all, neither would they be allowed to do eSIM. A phone customer would go and buy a phone and then shop for the carrier they want.. more power and choice to the customer.
The worst part is, removing the SIM tray has zero benefit for consumers. It saves Apple money but doesn't save any space on the logic board. Apple simply inserted a plastic spacer on U.S. model iPhone 14. For iPhone 15, Apple just spread out the components to take up the extra space.
Very good to know this, thank you for the details!!I use Tello (T-Mobile MVNO) on one of my backup phones. $6 for 2GB & unlimited text. Data rolls over if you manually renew every 29 days instead of letting it auto-renew on day 30. You can also switch to their other fixed GB plans anytime and keep your data balance.
For calls, I added $20 in PAYG credit (1c/min) instead of adding fixed minutes to my plan. Data only plans aren’t taxed in the US while adding 100 minutes for $1 to my monthly plan would add an extra ~$1.70/mo in taxes and fees (so $32/year extra for something I’d barely use).
I live in Europe (Geneva Switzerland) and as others have said, it's only in the US that newer iPhones are limited to e-sim.How’s that possible? iPhone 15 Pro Max only has dual eSIM.
emoving the SIM tray has zero benefit for consumers.
Increased water resistance.
harder to clone your sim / steal your number
But you…..are allowed to do this?
Everyone's got to set a PIN on their cellular account or else they are vulnerable to these SIM transfer attacks.Your number can still be relatively easily stolen. In December, 2022 I had mine stolen out of my iPhone 14P (eSIM Only).
Doesn't matter the tech if the fraudster can social engineer the carrier representative. Or worse, the rep is in on it.
Here's the kicker - I had a PIN. 2FA, the works.Everyone's got to set a PIN on their cellular account or else they are vulnerable to these SIM transfer attacks.
They probably updated their systems since then. The systems are supposed to not allow an employee to transfer a SIM unless a PIN is put in first. They probably did not require at that time and allowed an employee bypass.Here's the kicker - I had a PIN. 2FA, the works.
In my case, store clerk was in on it. Put my number on a new phone. Coincidentally, the credit provider for a major electronics retailer in the US only supports SMS-based 2FA. You can imagine what they tried to do next. I can't recommend T-Mobile.
I switched to Google Fi. No physical locations and less-than-stellar customer support means a smaller vector for social engineering. Everything is controlled via a Google account, meaning decent to good MFA. VPN to keep Google's nose out of my business and I'm off to the races.
Funny thing about Fi - no eSIM for data-only devices. Thankfully, AT&T is asleep at the wheel and let me connect only my tablet.
I'd have a guess you are not with Telstra?I’m running dual esims on my 15 Pro Max in Australia. Had no trouble transferring from my 13 Pro Max. 2 seperate carriers eSIMs also.
Well, thinking about the Apple watch, you can buy the model which has it's own cellular plan but where I am, you've got the choice of just 2 networks that Apple have done a deal with and they only way you can buy one of those plans is if you have a complimentary plan with your iphone.I think that needs some evidence to back it up. You have to start with a null hypothesis and build one on top of it. You're basically just spurting your opinion which I can disprove with a data point saying that it isn't always the case.
You've decided Apple are the bad guys and will change whatever is said to support that.
100% agree. It's all about control, not about making the product better for people. I travelled a lot last year, and many countries still aren't on the eSim bandwagon. Some places in Asia charged about 10 times as much for an eSIM! Some had only one company offering eSIM while all the others didn't. So glad I have an iPhone 15PM with a SIM tray. I will continue to travel a lot, so I cannot see myself buying a phone without a SIM tray for perhaps the next 5 years.eSIM simply gives the carrier and Apple another opportunity to be a gatekeeper. They determine when and if you ought to transfer eSIMs. And anybody who really travels knows physical SIM rates are almost always cheaper globally.