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UPDATE: I have now reviewed my bills and the options offered by AT&T. I definitely have not "been screwing myself" and Small White Car was categorically wrong when he or she said I "should definitely change. [I'm] currently on a plan that has the cost of a phone built into it every 2 years." Small White Car used the word "definitely", and so I can say that Small White Car was definitely wrong. Given the number of lines I have, the number of minutes I want, the amount of data I want, and the unlimited texting that I want, I am on the cheapest plan possible from AT&T. There is no cheaper plan. I cannot forgo the privilege of upgrades and get a cheaper plan. The only change possible would be to get a Next plan, and that would increase my monthly bill by the following amount: (price of phone) / (number of months). I'm very impressed Small White Car knows that I "should definitely change" while knowing so little about my telephone plan, but I am less impressed because Small White Car was 100% wrong. Making wrong assumptions is easy and fun, isn't it? It's especially fun because Small White Car got a bunch of upvotes on the post full of wrong assumptions.

Approximately once per year, I reassess my phone plan. How many minutes do I need? How much data do I need? How much texting do I need? How much is this stuff from a competitor, like Verizon or T-Mobile? Is there a different "package" that can get me what I need for less money? Sometimes I do make a change.

I have never had the option to save a single penny by forgoing the right to subsidized phone upgrades. That has never been an option, and I have done that research. If it had ever been an option, I would have considered it. Since it was never an option, I tried to use the upgrades. But the upgrades don't cover the full cost of an iPhone, so sometimes it is wise to remember the sunk cost fallacy and keep the phone you have.

The Next plan is not quite the same as the old two-year-contract deal, and some people seem to be missing this important point. By taking no action, I was not automatically signed up for the Next plan. When AT&T stopped offering upgrades, by definition the cost of a new phone was not built into my phone bill. If I paid more for a Next plan, then the cost of a new phone would be in my monthly bill, but I never signed up for a Next plan.

The Next plan actually is very straightforward, they take the true price of the phone and divide it across a number of months. (The names are a bit confusing, the Next Every Year plan does not divide it into 12, they divide it into more pieces, but they named it assuming you will sell back your old phone after exactly 12 months.)

The old two-year-contract deal was less straightforward. First of all, unlike Next, it was not optional. There was no way to get a discount on the monthly bill by saying "I will never want an upgrade". I know, I looked into it repeatedly. Second, because they have vendor lock-in for two years (you have sold your soul for the next two years), that is valuable to AT&T. The phone company likes to lock you in for two years, and they will spend money for that guarantee. This is why they didn't offer a discount to people who didn't want upgrades.

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It sounds like you are still on one of the old Family Share minutes plan where additional lines are $10 and individual data plans for each line. For the most part, this is typically the most economical plan for customers, but AT&T have found ways to get folks to drop those plans over the years.

Used to be, you would get up to a $450 subsidy every two years. This is what SWC was referring to as "screwing yourself". If you didn't upgrade every two years, you'd be throwing away that $450 subsidy every month that you didn't upgrade.

So now, AT&T has stopped even giving the subsidy and yet your plan stays the same price. It's their way of trying to get you off that plan.

If the plan works for you, stick with it. At this point, it's easier to compare your plans against the current offerings because subsidies are no longer in the picture. Everyone pays full price for the phone whether they pay up front or via NEXT.

You just have to run the numbers yourself and determine if the features you're missing are important. Features like tethering, sharing of data, and unlimited minutes.

EDIT - BTW, this is semantics, but it does confuse a lot of people. NEXT is not really a plan, in the context of a phone plan. The phone plans are called MobileShare (or something like that). NEXT is basically an installment payment with the option to trade-in after a predetermined duration. It's very similar to a car lease with the option to buy.
 
It sounds like you are still on one of the old Family Share minutes plan where additional lines are $10 and individual data plans for each line. For the most part, this is typically the most economical plan for customers, but AT&T have found ways to get folks to drop those plans over the years.

Used to be, you would get up to a $450 subsidy every two years. This is what SWC was referring to as "screwing yourself". If you didn't upgrade every two years, you'd be throwing away that $450 subsidy every month that you didn't upgrade.

So now, AT&T has stopped even giving the subsidy and yet your plan stays the same price. It's their way of trying to get you off that plan.

If the plan works for you, stick with it. At this point, it's easier to compare your plans against the current offerings because subsidies are no longer in the picture. Everyone pays full price for the phone whether they pay up front or via NEXT.

You just have to run the numbers yourself and determine if the features you're missing are important. Features like tethering, sharing of data, and unlimited minutes.

EDIT - BTW, this is semantics, but it does confuse a lot of people. NEXT is not really a plan, in the context of a phone plan. The phone plans are called MobileShare (or something like that). NEXT is basically an installment payment with the option to trade-in after a predetermined duration. It's very similar to a car lease with the option to buy.

So wait...is the OP still eligible for getting subsidized phones from AT&T?

I thought they did away with that for all plans?
 
So wait...is the OP still eligible for getting subsidized phones from AT&T?

I thought they did away with that for all plans?
Correct, AT&T stopped subsidies a little while back. Doesn't mean his current plan still isn't the best plan for his situation.
 
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Correct, AT&T stopped subsidies a little while back. Doesn't mean his current plan still isn't the best plan for his situation.

Right...the combination of # of lines, minutes, and data plan may still be the best deal for him.

Thanks.
 
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Even so, what he has now may still be the best option.

Yes, but it doesn't change the fact that Small White Car is still correct, unlike what the OP said in his long update. Just because its the best option for one doesn't make it the best option overall. AT&T is still making extra off of the OP's situation because its the old style plan.
 
Yes, but it doesn't change the fact that Small White Car is still correct, unlike what the OP said in his long update. Just because its the best option for one doesn't make it the best option overall. AT&T is still making extra off of the OP's situation because its the old style plan.

And that stance may be wrong.

Saying AT&T is making $$$ off the OP now that they nixed subsidized phones and he's still on the old plan may not be true. And that a better plan is out there.

If someone can show evidence of that, pls do.
 
And that stance may be wrong.

Saying AT&T is making $$$ off the OP now that they nixed subsidized phones and he's still on the old plan may not be true. And that a better plan is out there.

If someone can show evidence of that, pls do.

Its a fact that they are giving him now less for the same amount of money he was paying before. That's $450 per line in subsidy now gone.
So technically with their new changes they are making more now from the OP's account.
And yes there are better plans out there.
No need to get stressed out about it though, you gotta play the game right and find what works best for yourself. Not what works better for the carrier, its always good to shop around.
 
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And that stance may be wrong.

Saying AT&T is making $$$ off the OP now that they nixed subsidized phones and he's still on the old plan may not be true. And that a better plan is out there.

If someone can show evidence of that, pls do.

I did show evidence earlier. AT&T charges an extra $20 per line on MobileShare plans that are still under a 2 year contract ($40 instead of $20). That cost is already factored into the old plans. Therefore. Each line is giving AT&T more money than it should.
 
Its a fact that they are giving him now less for the same amount of money he was paying before. That's $450 per line in subsidy now gone.
So technically with their new changes they are making more now from the OP's account.
And yes there are better plans out there.
No need to get stressed out about it though, you gotta play the game right and find what works best for yourself. Not what works better for the carrier, its always good to shop around.

Agreed that good to shop around...

I have Verizon and I have an 'old' plan. Still get subsidized phone every two years. But even if that subsidy were to go away, my plan is likely still the best option. Many new plans have higher line fees and other charges.

Know what you're paying for.
 
I may have missed it but I don't see where OP listed what he is paying and for what plan and services. It would be easier to compare prices if that info was available.
 
Which is why i said it was a very simplified example. The math isn't the same in all cases, but for the most part, for most people, there isn't a hill of beans difference between the old subsidized model and the new payment plans. A guy in my office last year was bragging about how he arm wrestled his phone company into letting him sign another contract and he got a new phone for 200. I started to explain the discount he would have received under a payment plan, but he was happy so I let him be happy. This thread sounded a lot like that.

"Darn it, I want my discounted phone. Why are they taking away my discounted phone and making me pay full price!?"
Keep in mind literally every company did a promo this year where you got your phone "free" with monthly credits. That's not nothing. If you are staying with the company anyway, you are coming out a good deal ahead of where the old contract prices were. I suspect this will happen again with the next iPhone refresh. This is a great time for carriers to either gain or lose customers.
 
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Keep in mind literally every company did a promo this year where you got your phone "free" with monthly credits. That's not nothing. If you are staying with the company anyway, you are coming out a good deal ahead of where the old contract prices were. I suspect this will happen again with the next iPhone refresh. This is a great time for carriers to either gain or lose customers.

Well said.
And to state the obvious Tmobile is the one that came out with that deal that you get a new iPhone 7 when you trade in your old iPhone 6 or 6S.
And then all the other carriers had to follow or be left behind.
So they all somewhat copied the same bill credit free upgrade thing :)
 
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I may have missed it but I don't see where OP listed what he is paying and for what plan and services. It would be easier to compare prices if that info was available.

I didn't see it either. It would be helpful if OP would post exactly what he is paying and what he is receiving in exchange for that. We'd need that info in order to provide accurate advice for his situation.

In general, I feel that Small White Car was spot on in his reply and was not being rude.
 
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I didn't see it either. It would be helpful if OP would post exactly what he is paying and what he is receiving in exchange for that. We'd need that info in order to provide accurate advice for his situation.

In general, I feel that Small White Car was spot on in his reply and was not being rude.

Agreed...OP was super-sensitive and over-reacted, I don't think SmallWhiteCar was rude at all.

With no additional info provided from him, nothing more can be done.
 
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