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I have come to the conclusion 10.6 is actually Windows ME
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No problems here either (and not a clean install). No wireless problems with my non-Apple wireless router at home; no wireless problems with my non-Apple system at work; no wireless problems in any coffee shop, airport, or hotel I've tried... really, it's been flawless, and it is indeed noticeably faster.
Could it be the reason for the problems with Snow Leopard would be because of some add-on or incompatible plug-in or app?
I'd agree that a subset of users have seen a heck of a lot of beachballing, and freezing. You're unlucky if you have met it. Apple has the task of getting up to 64 bit, and they're not there yet. Give it a year, and there will be more to show for Snow Leopard.
As the OP said - it's not so much a complaint, as valid observation from those who've met annoying freezing/crashing/stalling behaviour (Safari, Flash have been major contributors, but there still seems to be some issue causing beachballing randomly to some). 10.7 is an mod upgrade in a way to Leopard, a halfway house, as they update, change and patch their way to 10.7 (which presumably we'll hear about 9 odd months from Snow Leopard's release).
As the OP said - it's not so much a complaint, as valid observation from those who've met annoying freezing/crashing/stalling behaviour (Safari, Flash have been major contributors, but there still seems to be some issue causing beachballing randomly to some). 10.7 is an mod upgrade in a way to Leopard, a halfway house, as they update, change and patch their way to 10.7 (which presumably we'll hear about 9 odd months from Snow Leopard's release).
Only do upgrades. Upgrade from MacOS X 10.5 to MacOS X 10.6 went flawlessly. Have had no problems since. This includes wireless connections.
Word to the wise. Those of you who are complaining about these problems would be better served by defining the specific problems that you have and then asking for help in solving. You do yourself no good by asserting that the entire operating system is fatally flawed. It isn't. The problems you are having are probably your fault and can be fixed if you will only ask.
Running SL on my 2.8 Extreme iMac and no issues really. Only time I get a spinning beach ball is when I launch my Adobe CS4 programs.
iMac start up is faster and ready to go in 30 seconds. Took twice as longer with Leopard.
iMac start up is faster and ready to go in 30 seconds. Took twice as longer with Leopard.
New Mac user. Used to Win XP. Definitely a step up from good ol Windoze, but not SL is not without glitches in my admittedly limited experience. iTunes seems to have the most (granted I use it the most too): I've had it lock up my Mac while on visualizer and it occassionally it skips around in an mp3 track. There is an odd Allow/Deny that repeatedly pops up for a second and goes away on non-apple apps (others have seen this per the forums). Hmm what else? Not too many beach balls. Expose sometimes won't work at all It wasn't a user error: the Genius bar tech is my witness. We fixed it by quitting the prog and reopening it. Occassionally a program will open in a space that it doesn't belong to. I did use my Mac wirelessly for a few weeks, but my cheap belkin router kept dropping the connection. Not sure now if it is my Mac's fault or not. No problem running on an ethernet ... oh except that for the first month, I had very slow page loading times. Fixed that by changing the Ethernet settings to Manual with Full Duplexing. Weird.
Overall, I had mixed first impressions with SL. Like any Mac user I spent a lot of money on my computer and so have the attitude that it had darn well better "just work"
And if I step back and compare it to what I had before, I have to be thankful. It really is an easier computer to use once you learn its own peculiarities.I've had problems with SL but anytime you group Apple with Microsoft around here, especially in such a light as the monumental failure that WindowsME was, you're not winning any favors.
On my Mac Pro 3,1 I've had nothing but annoying quirks. My video drivers acts like a 5 year old, sometimes it will load but more often than not, I'll be staring at a black screen or fuzzy text/icons. I endured it for the better part of 2009 since it was released. I'm now running 10.5 just like it was when I first bought it and it's a dream. It boots up faster; it sleeps when I tell it to and wakes when I tell it to. Having said all that, Snow Leopard is very good when it did work and it's working well on my MBP but I would rather like to have the speed on the desktop.
On my Mac Pro 3,1 I've had nothing but annoying quirks. My video drivers acts like a 5 year old, sometimes it will load but more often than not, I'll be staring at a black screen or fuzzy text/icons. I endured it for the better part of 2009 since it was released. I'm now running 10.5 just like it was when I first bought it and it's a dream. It boots up faster; it sleeps when I tell it to and wakes when I tell it to. Having said all that, Snow Leopard is very good when it did work and it's working well on my MBP but I would rather like to have the speed on the desktop.
Count me in as another one with zero issues. Installed SL on two machines here at the house and have had no issues.
Maybe you can tell us a little more about your setup. What programs crash/beachball? Are they third party programs? Are any of the apple apps crashing? If so which one and what were you doing just before the beach ball/crash?
Maybe you can tell us a little more about your setup. What programs crash/beachball? Are they third party programs? Are any of the apple apps crashing? If so which one and what were you doing just before the beach ball/crash?
Heck, I'm using a 2wire DSL modem/wifi router (not the greatest) and it works fine. In fact, better than it did in 10.5 because now it doesn't drop connections three times a day.
I owned a computer that came with ME back then and I can surely attest that SL is miles better than that train wreck. ME would crash several times a day even on a new clean install with little software added. Seriously, it was that bad. I reverted to 98SE within a few cursed days.
Besides, Apple is known for forcing devs to update to new standards. That way legacy is kept at a minimum. This is a strength of OS X and one reason it isn't in the mess that Windows is in whenever upgrading.
uhm, im using netgear router with my mbp flawlessy. connects anywhere where wireless is available without a hitch?
My MacBook works flawlessly with my Linksys WRT54G, never had a single issue. As for applications, I don't think I had to update a single app to make it work with SL over Leopard. A few had updates available as they were optimized for SL after its release, but yeah.
I call shenanigans on your claims.
EXACTLY. I bought Snow Leopard on day one and I can't believe this issue hasn't been resolved.
Also just because most of you aren't having problems doesn't mean there aren't some SERIOUS issues with Snow Leopard.
Honestly, hand on heart, I can think of no tangible benefit for the end user. I wouldn't bother. With hindsight, I wouldn't have bothered myself.
On the other hand... there is really no reason not to either
In spite of the apocalyptic language of some users here who are known for their vitriolic diatribes against anything Apple, most users experienced no real issues by upgrading
Like NewMacBookPlz said, all my apps worked and required no upgrades that were not already available, it works fine with my Linksys router, and I have had no issues
But truthfully, you will probably not notice any tangible differences from Leopard unless you are looking for something specific
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I've had SL running smoothly on 3 Macs here since it was released and have recommended it to others that have reported the same. The OP obviously must have never had Windows ME back in the day, because that truly was an absolute nightmare. To compare SL to the disaster that was WinME is the funniest thing I've heard all day.
Snow Leopard is disappointing and half hearted for the most part. I'm pretty much stuck on Leopard though.
I've got snow leopard running fine on almost the exact same machine as hikari, only difference is that I still have the stock 120GB drive. The macbook was an upgrade and my iMac had a clean install (or it was the other way can't quite remember), either way I have had no more issues with Snow Leopard than I would have with Leopard (not that I ever really had a lot of issues with Leopard anyway).
Have you tried 10.6.2 to see if it solves your problems? Although with 10.6.3 not far off I would suggest waiting for that before trying again.
10.6.2 fixed the constant browser issues for the most part. It's still too much work to get Spotlight working again. Not to mention the changes to Finder and Exposé. Usability and productivity for me under OS X has been going downhill since Tiger. Snow Leopard just isn't worth it when it takes longer for me to get the same actions done.
That is my thought as well. It could be things not caught by the installer to be flagged as incompatible. Research is always warranted when making large changes.
Cancer is a killer too (yes, I've had family and friends die from it). My intent is to say I'm not making light of the issues, only they are too few and too few details to try and determine cause/effect. It could be SL. It could be hacks/software/hardware/etc.
Well, yes there are reasons to NOT upgrade. Most would revolve around critical hardware or applications for which updates/replacements are not available. Production systems take longer to upgrade to verify compatibility.
Then again, I lost my "geek" card ages ago and don't really care. Would prefer to be less cutting edge than bleeding from too many wounds.
Browser issues?
I use Opera, Opera 10.5 pre alpha, Firefox 3.5, 3.6, 3.7 pre alpha, Safari and Webkit without any issues what is the issue?
The newer Expose does feel worse from a speed of use viewpoint than Leopard. One annoyance for me is that I got into the habit of clicking and holding an application to quit it, in Snow Leopard this means it flashes to the front and everything else disappears and then when I click close it flashes away and everything else jumps back. Horrible. Also with a lot of windows open I find it harder to pick out the window I am looking for due to the scaling of windows.
I still look back to Tiger for Spotlight, however having time recently to use Tiger again it was a lot slower to find files. However when I am looking for system files the extra steps I have to jump through on Leopard/Snow Leopard makes it much much slower. +s and -s.
I guess we will see the benefits of the new expose come the 27th.
A few niggles aside I find Snow Leopard to be more solid and faster than Leopard, obviously your mileage may vary and it has done so considerably.
I use Opera, Opera 10.5 pre alpha, Firefox 3.5, 3.6, 3.7 pre alpha, Safari and Webkit without any issues what is the issue?
The newer Expose does feel worse from a speed of use viewpoint than Leopard. One annoyance for me is that I got into the habit of clicking and holding an application to quit it, in Snow Leopard this means it flashes to the front and everything else disappears and then when I click close it flashes away and everything else jumps back. Horrible. Also with a lot of windows open I find it harder to pick out the window I am looking for due to the scaling of windows.
I still look back to Tiger for Spotlight, however having time recently to use Tiger again it was a lot slower to find files. However when I am looking for system files the extra steps I have to jump through on Leopard/Snow Leopard makes it much much slower. +s and -s.
I guess we will see the benefits of the new expose come the 27th.
A few niggles aside I find Snow Leopard to be more solid and faster than Leopard, obviously your mileage may vary and it has done so considerably.
Do it because it is ridiculously cheap for an OS ($29) and it is the current OS for all the new software.