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I just used an iPhone 3G S and sorry, the LCD is the same...
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.......and how did he ever get back in?
not sure he has, his posts stay alive, but the user account is "Banned"
Well done, you expected someone to disagree with you on an internet forum
I didn't say it was wrong. Also, blowing my argument to ridiculous proportions doesn't help your point.
I don't quite see what you want anymore... You complain that your phone has all these defects, but would rather keep it than exchange it for a new one? Is it that if your phone worked your life would be empty?
Then get a droid and stop complaining. Either you like your iPhone or not.
Because it really wasn't that big of an issue to you until someone pointed it? Have I hit the nail on the head?
I disagree, I think it illustrates quite effectively how ridiculous your stance is.
And again with the personal insults railing at someone who dares criticise the iPhone. Yes, I complain that my phone has these defects, no I'm not keeping it rather than exchanging it - as I said yesterday this particular phone had already been exchanged twice and I was about to exchange the latest one too. I'm complaining that three sealed, retail phones have all had differing defects, and Apple seem unable to supply me with a 3G S without issues, meaning a load of uneccessary disruption for me. Every time I've had to backup, wipe the phone, box it back up, swap it over, restore the new phone, discover another fault, and then go through the whole thing again - all because of Apple's non-existent quality control - am I not entitled to be annoyed at that? Do I really have to justify this to you?
I don't want a Droid, I like the iPhone plenty, it's easily the best phone on the market and after owning a 3G for 18 months I've invested in the apps and the ecosystem. I simply want to upgrade my hardware, and have a new iPhone that actually works the way it's supposed to.
No, you've just hit your own thumb again. Nobody pointed it out to me, it was glaringly and horribly obvious to me from within minutes of starting to use it - if you read my first post you'll see that I only found this thread after noticing the problem and googling it, not before.
In the interests of balance, I'm now on my fourth 3G S, and this one (like the first two) does not have the scanlines, motion is much smoother, and it also doesn't suffer (anywhere near as much) from the yellow gradient that dogged two of the previous phones. It does, unfortunately, have a slightly uneven backlight in the top half of the screen, including a bright spot in the middle of upper left quarter - but you know what, it's bearable, and despite my oh-so-unreasonable pursuit of perfection in a £179 smartphone I'm just going to put up with it. Not because of any of your irrelevant and unhelpful griping on the subject, but because I've seen so much worse already. It's bearable for now, and if I get the chance I'll see what a Genius makes of it later, if and when I make the seventy mile round trip to my nearest Apple store.
Apple have a serious quality control problem here, and if they're not careful it will be their undoing.
No, it reflects on weakness in your argument because you have alter my point in order to challenge it. You may as well argue with yourself with that logic.
It's not cos you criticise the iPhone, I'm well aware that it has its flaws, but so does every other product line. I'm sorry that you seem to have such bad luck, I guess I didn't read your post properly. I'll concede that point.
Can I suggest that you ask to test the phones in the store? Maybe that way you will find one that you like (genuine advice, no veiled insults intended).
I don't think it is a quality control problem, more of a problem of the number of iPhones produced. As a percentage of all iPhones made, the faulty ones are not likely to be more than 3-5% (this is an estimate, i did not bother to look up any statistics) and so I would still consider that as a reasonable margin for defect.
I'm sorry I was so hostile, I think I was mostly in the wrong, but I hope I've explained where I was coming from with my arguments.
Geez... Can I say again that this is likely to be due to how your visual system processes the visual world. It's based on something called lateral inhibition. Anytime you have adjacent small strips of white (LED's) and thinner stripes of dark (gaps between LED's), the potential for the illusion of larger gray stripes ('Mach Bands') arises . No doubt the iPhone was manufactured to specifications that prevent most people from seeing this illusion most of the time - it's just below threshold. Those that do see it probably have better acuity, although it might depend on other factors like the background lighting, angle of the screen, the screen brightness and the presence of any screen protector etc.
The only other explanation is that possibly there is something wrong with the way signals are fed to the individual LED's (crosstalk, or some sort of interference). If that were true, a camera would be able to detect it. Anybody got a genuine picture showing this? If not, then the most parsimonious explanation is that it is an illusion.
EDIT: Follow this link and look at the picture closely and then move away - you'll see a white and a dark vertical stripe that simply aren't there.
The only other explanation is that possibly there is something wrong with the way signals are fed to the individual LED's (crosstalk, or some sort of interference). If that were true, a camera would be able to detect it. Anybody got a genuine picture showing this? If not, then the most parsimonious explanation is that it is an illusion.
EDIT: Follow this link and look at the picture closely and then move away - you'll see a white and a dark vertical stripe that simply aren't there.
@boss.king, apology accepted, I'm sorry this turned into a slanging match, it's just frustrating when you're rightfully annoyed about something and all you get back is basically "forget about it!"
@Vulchr, I'm not arguing with your science but again, try and read a little more around what I and others are saying - I haven't seen the "scanline" fault in every iPhone, in fact it's pretty rare, only one of the sample of four 3G S's I've gotten through in the couple of weeks has exhibited it to a really noticeable degree. So this is not a particular problem with my eyes, which dealt just fine with a number of other iPhones, but with some of the screens that Apple are putting into those phones.
You're almost certainly right, this is an optical illusion of some form that would never be picked up by a camera - but the thing is, iPhones aren't meant to be used by cameras, they're meant to be used by human beings with an altogether more biological optical system, and if any number of those human beings are picking up on a problem then I'm afraid there's a problem. Again, it's not consistent across every iPhone, but just like the yellow gradient that also crops up regularly, and just like the uneven backlighting that also plagued the sample I've seen, its a symptom of poor quality control.
Shouting down those of us who have been the victim of that poor quality control doesn't really seem like the answer to me, and I hope it's not the attitude that Apple take.
@Vulchr, I'm not arguing with your science but again, try and read a little more around what I and others are saying - I haven't seen the "scanline" fault in every iPhone, in fact it's pretty rare, only one of the sample of four 3G S's I've gotten through in the couple of weeks has exhibited it to a really noticeable degree. So this is not a particular problem with my eyes, which dealt just fine with a number of other iPhones, but with some of the screens that Apple are putting into those phones.
You're almost certainly right, this is an optical illusion of some form that would never be picked up by a camera - but the thing is, iPhones aren't meant to be used by cameras, they're meant to be used by human beings with an altogether more biological optical system, and if any number of those human beings are picking up on a problem then I'm afraid there's a problem. Again, it's not consistent across every iPhone, but just like the yellow gradient that also crops up regularly, and just like the uneven backlighting that also plagued the sample I've seen, its a symptom of poor quality control.
Shouting down those of us who have been the victim of that poor quality control doesn't really seem like the answer to me, and I hope it's not the attitude that Apple take.
