I've read a few threads about when to line up at the Apple stores. However, since there are already tons of preorders for both models, wouldn't that means less people are going to wait outside the stores though? Last year was different for the 5s, preorder online was an option, that was why people was crazy about it. Also, I live in Seattle, for those of you who waited before, what are your advises this time? Thanks a lot guys!