I Love Apple.....

Discussion in 'Apple, Inc and Tech Industry' started by WiiMarioHacker, Sep 29, 2010.

  1. WiiMarioHacker macrumors member

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    .....But am starting to dislike Stevie. I think greed has gotten to him.

    Reasons why I dislike him:

    1) "Please Leave Us Alone" - Not professional and simply rude. If Jobs didn't want to answer her emails, then why did he even start a fight. I've seen the "Oh, He's busy" argument, but what most people don't realize, is that Jobs is the CEO of a company. Which means that if he wanted to do something (vacation etc) he could. He's his own boss.

    2) Tearing down a 1920's mansion built by Daniel Jacking. For those who don't know, Daniel Jacking "pioneered the exploitation of low-grade porphyry copper ores". (aka, Copper) - How dare Jobs wanting to destroy a piece of American HISTORY. If it was a regular mansion, built by some no body (no historical importance), I could understand. I do, however, praise him for not going to build a mega-house.


    The reason why I still buy Apple products, is because they have only the Apple logo, not "Created by Steve Jobs". However, I am still an Apple fan, just not a Steve Jobs fan.


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  2. MorphingDragon macrumors 603

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    Come back when you learn the workings of a Modern Business. CEOs are not their own boss, they are in-fact an employee of the company. They are hired by the board of associates/trusties/representatives to perform the wishes of the stockholders.
     
  3. Theclamshell macrumors 68030

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    I will be the first to admit that i love old buildings but the jackling mansion is in bad shape. I don't want to side with Steve but the house was in bad shape. I guess he could have at least sold it off or donated it though...

    check out pictures of it here.

    http://scotthaefner.com/photos/place/Jackling+House/2686/
     
  4. renewed macrumors 68040

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    Seeing as though he owns 68% of Apple shares then I guess he kind of is his own boss. ;)
     
  5. Bonch macrumors 6502

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    You should make a list of why people dislike YOU. Maybe you would learn something.
     
  6. quagmire macrumors 603

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    If you want to complain about an historic and nationally known American building being torn down, then complain about Steinbrenner and NYC for tearing down Old Yankee Stadium. OYS is a bigger blow to American history. What makes this house so historic? Is it only from the guy who built it? Also, I believe Jobs offered for someone to come in and move the home to another location, etc but no one intervened. It isn't like Jobs didn't try and work out a compromise. No one was willing to step up and do anything besides complain.
     
  7. leomac08 macrumors 68020

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    Richard Nixon's Enemies List!:D
     
  8. Hraggleblarg macrumors member

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    Ouch, so only likable people can dislike other people? Makes total sense. Let's all make lists of why people dislike us.
     
  9. Bernard SG macrumors 65816

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    Steve Jobs doesn't own 68% of Apple Shares, you're completely off the mark. He owns about half of a percent.
     
  10. Eric5h5 macrumors 68020

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    If he did, he'd be the richest person in the U.S. by a huge margin, not "only" the 42nd. Think about it.

    --Eric
     
  11. Phormic macrumors regular

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    You can dislike Jobs for a lot of reasons but I'm not sure if telling an annoying student to go away, who was pestering him and his PR department for a statement to help with her homework, is really one of them.

    As for the Jackling house, if memory serves, Jobs offered to sell the house for free, if the new owner was willing to move the house off the land.
     
  12. roadbloc macrumors G3

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    I like Jobs. I think he has a certain class about him.
     
  13. Consultant macrumors G5

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    1. That story is BS.
    2. Bill Gates built a $150 million house, razing what was there before. Compared to other billionaires, the new Steve house is relatively TINY and definitely modest.
     
  14. netdog macrumors 603

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    Jobs is his own boss.

    The shareholders aren't going to toss him, and if they did, he'd go off and do something else in line with whatever his vision is at the moment, not kow-tow to a bunch of suits.

    Last time Apple tossed him, he did just fine. He created NeXT and the foundation for what would become OS X, and he created Pixar, perhaps the greatest animation company of our time.

    But yeah, my point is that Steve Jobs, unlike most of the world, is running his own show, whatever one may think of him.
     
  15. maflynn Moderator

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    I like apple products, but I don't like how apple as an extension of Jobs behaves.

    The leave us alone brouhaha both the student and Jobs deserve blame on this. for the student expect a multibillion dollar corporation to help out to achieve better grades is crass at best, incredulous at worst.

    As for razing the 1920s house. He bought it, and he should be able to do what he wants to it. People who buy property have the right to do what ever they want. He received the proper variences/permits/rights to do he wanted so he's finally moving forward after a long and arduous process.

    Jobs is a genius and saved apple from oblivion, but that doesn't make him a "nice" person, or someone to adore/worship.
     
  16. Winni macrumors 68030

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    That is an interesting standpoint, especially on macrumors.com. If Jobs can do with an historical building what he wants, why again should we not be allowed to install Mac OS X on a PC of our choice? Or use our iPhones with a non-Apple-AppStore?
     
  17. *LTD* macrumors G4

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    If you're an Apple fan, you're a Jobs fan. Period. He's the mind behind Apple gear. You don't have to like his personality, though, which by the way, has ZERO to do with what counts: producing more great Apple gear.
     
  18. MorphingDragon macrumors 603

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    Because physical property and intellectual property are very different beasts.

    Why shouldn't I be allowed to run the Xbox firmware on my iMac? Why shouldn't I be allowed to chip my PS3 to run Xbox 360 games (BTW, both can be done) Why shouldn't I be allowed to run the same license of windows on 20 different VMs?

    Though to his credit, people can like Microsoft products while absolutely despising Ballmer.
     
  19. maflynn Moderator

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    Because the old addage, do as I say not as I do fits.

    You're 100% correct that Jobs is doing what he wants, but forces the users to abide by his rules.

    in this case it really isn't different. Apple could license OSX in a way to permit this, likewise allow different app stores. They choose to keep things locked down as a business decision. Apple is not about freedom or choice but doing it their way, conversely Jobs is taking advantage of the freedoms allowed him as a property owner to raze his house.

    I disagree, I like apple and its products but I am in no way a Steve Jobs fan, in fact he comes off rather as a richard head most of the time.
     
  20. *LTD* macrumors G4

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    It's a shame this stuff isn't actually a problem. In fact, it's key to their success. As far as the house goes, it's neither here nor there. A non-issue.
     
  21. maflynn Moderator

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    Its not a problem for me, since I'm running a hackinstosh and I have an android phone so I actually have choices :D
     
  22. roadbloc macrumors G3

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    Lack of flash on mobile web device for me is a problem. That is why I don't have an iPhone or iPad.

    That's one potential sale Apple have lost. And probably many more. It is an issue, it's just being ignored in hope HTML5 catches on and it eventually isn't a problem.
     
  23. Bernard SG macrumors 65816

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    That's a preposterous comparison. The Mac OS X issue is a legal one, that is founded on existing laws. On the other hand, the old mansion was not protected against destruction by any law or regulation, hence it could be acquired in full property by Jobs.
    Buying a Mac OS X DVD doesn't grant you property of the system, it grants you a license to use the software within a specific framework.
    That being said, Apple is not known to go after individual users who infringe Apple's intellectual property as long as it is not done in a way that threatens Apple's commercial interests.
     
  24. *LTD* macrumors G4

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    Apple succeeds because they know when to say "no."

    They don't need you when they have 20 others lined up ready to buy. Flash is no longer an issue, anyway.

    Everyone can say about any company "well they lost MY business because xyz." BFD. If the big picture shows them succeeding (especially where others are not, i.e., the iPad) then you're just a drop in the bucket.


    Yep. You're running a fake Mac, which violates Apple's EULA, but there's no point in Apple pursuing the little guy, obviously.

    As for Android, good choice. Eric T. Mole did his best, but it's no iPhone.
     
  25. maflynn Moderator

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    Fake or real, it matters not to me, as I'm able to run OSX. As for the argument that breaking the EULA is illegal, that's still up to debate so far courts like in germany have already stated that it is legal. I'm breaking an agreement, not a law.

    Nope and thank goodness android is no iPhone. That's exactly why I bought it. Android offers a lot of options, choices and advantages.
     

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