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I Love Safari but...
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edesignuk said:ActiveX is the biggest security hole in history
I'm sure that's at the forefront of Microsoft's ad campaign.
"Develop with ActiveX! You'll be 0wN3D in a week!"
While Safari has always had excellent CSS and standards support (thanks Dave Hyatt), it did, until the latest version, have issues with some scripting situations and a few other areas. I know some people will defend it to death, but it is only a version 1 browser with some kinks to work out. It is, however, my favourite browser!
Now, with regards to your situation, here is what I did when I ran into it with a website that told me I had to use IE. I took several pages from the site, ran them through the W3 validator, and copied and pasted all the page errors into an email. I sent this email to the head of the company explaining that I was using a non IE browser, and that their site told me I couldn't use anything but IE to access it. I explained to him that the only time a site says this is when the developer does not know how to code properly, and that it was akin to telling customers we will only allow you to park in our lot if you drive a Ford.
I said that it was a shame that they spent good money to have an inferior developer design their site, and that he was losing customers because of it. If the page had no errors and was designed properly to web standards that it wouldn't matter what browser they were using, and that he wouldn't be losing customers by shutting them out simply because his web designer only knew how to code for 1 browser instead of the entire internet population.
It worked... I got a reply, and free stuff to boot!
Cheers,
James
Now, with regards to your situation, here is what I did when I ran into it with a website that told me I had to use IE. I took several pages from the site, ran them through the W3 validator, and copied and pasted all the page errors into an email. I sent this email to the head of the company explaining that I was using a non IE browser, and that their site told me I couldn't use anything but IE to access it. I explained to him that the only time a site says this is when the developer does not know how to code properly, and that it was akin to telling customers we will only allow you to park in our lot if you drive a Ford.
I said that it was a shame that they spent good money to have an inferior developer design their site, and that he was losing customers because of it. If the page had no errors and was designed properly to web standards that it wouldn't matter what browser they were using, and that he wouldn't be losing customers by shutting them out simply because his web designer only knew how to code for 1 browser instead of the entire internet population.
It worked... I got a reply, and free stuff to boot!
Cheers,
James
James L said:
YES! My wife did a similar thing, Stonyfield farms was offering some promotion on their site but you had to use IE to do it.. she complained and they in return sent her a big envelope filled with coupons... sad to say they never fixed the site.
Our bank eventually opened up too, they kept trying to blame Safari but eventually, without a Safari update, it magically started working. Would have been nice if they had sent us some free money...
Beachball
I love Safari but ...
I seem to get the spining beach ball an awful lot, even on fairly simply pages. I clean out the cache now and then, but this is unacceptable to do often when you are on a slow dial-up connection (< 28k). It seemed to get a lot worse with the last Safari update.
I am even thinking of dumping Safari for another browser
I love Safari but ...
I seem to get the spining beach ball an awful lot, even on fairly simply pages. I clean out the cache now and then, but this is unacceptable to do often when you are on a slow dial-up connection (< 28k). It seemed to get a lot worse with the last Safari update.
I am even thinking of dumping Safari for another browser
McMac said:I love Safari but ...
I seem to get the spining beach ball an awful lot, even on fairly simply pages. I clean out the cache now and then, but this is unacceptable to do often when you are on a slow dial-up connection (< 28k). It seemed to get a lot worse with the last Safari update.
I am even thinking of dumping Safari for another browser
I've seen this recently too. What I found was that Safari sometimes uses a huge amount of virtual memory (see Activity Monitor in Applications/Utilities).
Just the other day I had about 5 windows open, and probably about 25-30 tabs among them. This isn't uncommon when I'm doing a Google search on some topic and like to go down all the good matches and open them up in tabs to read one by one. So I went to close one of these multi-tabbed windows and got the beachball for about 5 minutes before it came back to life. Looking in Activity Monitor, I found that Safari had bloated to about 1.2 GB of virtual memory (I have 640 MB of ram). This insane for a web browser that was initially touted as light and fast. So apparently it was spending 5 minutes swapping in and out huge amounts of memory from the disk, just to close the freakin window.
As an experiment, I timed how long it would take to close the other 4 or so windows. Yep, it was around 20 minutes. 20 minutes just to close windows! Insane. Quitting Safari and relaunching got it back to a more sane memory footprint, but how did it allow itself to bloat that much in the first place? Makes me wonder if all of the Safari team are using 2.5 GHz G5s with 8 GB of memory...
To make sure it's still lean and snappy, they sure ought to be testing on G3s.Still, what are ya gonna do. Safari works better than the alternatives most of the time, so I put up with it like a good little boy.
Nope - ActiveX and Java are completely unrelated. ActiveX has no equivalent on other platforms; The MS version of Java is C# (C sharp).yellow said:
Nationwide also works fine.Which suprised me somewhat as my previous experience with Smile and Windoz was a bloody nightmare.
P.S. why is it that if I transfer funds from one nationwide to another it dissapears immediately from the first account but takes two days to show up in the other?Overall nationwide must have use of £100's of millions for those 2 days.
P.S. why is it that if I transfer funds from one nationwide to another it dissapears immediately from the first account but takes two days to show up in the other?Overall nationwide must have use of £100's of millions for those 2 days.
I love Safari. The tabs, popup blocking, it all comes together in a great brower. Plus, the startup time is quite a bit less than Mozilla or Firefox. And the security is better than IE. I was on a site recenlty, when the downloads window popped up with ~3 small files. They were all .exe files..suspectd viruses. I don't know, they were trashed in a second!
BTW, on my PC I use Mozilla. It does a much better job than IE. Still in another week I'll need to scan for viruses and defrag it...
Just so everyone knows, some guy worked on Mozilla 1.4 for Systems 8.6 to 9. It runs surprisingly fast on that old PowerComputer 255 Pro Tower!
BTW, on my PC I use Mozilla. It does a much better job than IE. Still in another week I'll need to scan for viruses and defrag it...
Just so everyone knows, some guy worked on Mozilla 1.4 for Systems 8.6 to 9. It runs surprisingly fast on that old PowerComputer 255 Pro Tower!
just to provide an example, usbank online doesn't work properly. i've had trouble with this site in the past under safari, and then one day it just started working. after i switched to the current os and did all the updates, it stopped working again. i can look at my checking balance, but am unable to login to internet bill pay in safari. of course it works in ie. yes, i've reported the site to apple. sucks. i don't want to switch banks on the count of this, but i do my bill pay online and would like to see safari and usbank's site working properly again.