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I must admit....... [I never gave iPhone a fair chance]

Irishman said:
When you cherry pick use cases and features, you can make any point you like.
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You don't make phone calls? Or text/email or do anything else that involves the keyboard? Use Safari? You don't ever access settings or navigate back in apps?

Sure I mention a few special cases (like the ability to turn off my lock screen when I don't need the security versus having to punch in my code every single time no matter what), but I also point out plenty of basic everyday uses.
 
Again, I'm happy to say any OS system is "better" than another. And did so happily a mere 1.5 to 2 years ago when I would speak about the iPhone and iOS. No one seemed to have a problem then regarding subjectivity or relative use. Now it seems we can't say Android is better for fear of stomping on people's preferences and subjectivity. I'm not saying these things don't exist anymore; they of course still do, as they did two years ago when iOS was the better OS. Why are people so sensitive about saying Android is the better OS but not when people say iOS is the better OS? It's okay to admit one is better than the other without having to constantly reference preferences.

I used to constantly recommend the iPhone/iOS to people. Now, I rarely ever do. Friends, colleagues and family that know me come to me for advice regarding tech all the time. I tell them the same thing, that the times have changed and that at this point and time, Android is the better option unless there are very specific reasons why the iPhone would be better suited.

If we're interested in discussing where and how iOS could improve, we need to stop being so sensitive about pointing out its shortcomings. If we always chock it up to preference, then we'd just cancel each other out. Preference still exists, mind you, but again, depending on the discussion, sometimes it's okay to let it sit at the sidelines. Otherwise, one person will say I prefer this, and another person will say, well I don't and I prefer it the complete other way. And if all we can go on is preference, then the conversation is over. There's no more room to discuss improvements.

Understand that I do this with Android too. Dig through my post history. I've pointed out plenty of shortcomings of Android stock or otherwise, and of its manufacturers, from Samsung to HTC to LG. I've even criticize Google directly for some of their foolishness, too.

I'm not trying to be contentious, and I do apologize if there are any misunderstandings. I'll take some of that blame, but likewise, y'all need to relax when I say "Android is better than iOS." I shouldn't have to put a disclaimer every time that it's my opinion or my preference or that you can't prefer something else.

Hope people understand.
 
onthecouchagain said:
You don't make phone calls? Or text/email or do anything else that involves the keyboard? Use Safari? You don't ever access settings or navigate back in apps?

Sure I mention a few special cases (like the ability to turn off my lock screen when I don't need the security versus having to punch in my code every single time no matter what), but I also point out plenty of basic everyday uses.
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I'm just a normal phone user. I don't need to maximize the efficiency of button presses, or minimize the number of screens I have to go to in order to toggle BT on and off.

I'm not a phone nerd. Phone nerds are the ones who - by and large - are screaming for these things. Apple doesn't design their iPhone for for that tiny but vocal minority.
 
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I bought an iPad Mini this week, to augment rather than replace my Nexus 7. What quickly became overwhelmingly clear was that the Apple experience is far more polished than the Nexus 7's pure Google. It's nice to have a foot in both systems again though, and the Nexus is not without its advantages.
 
onthecouchagain said:
I don't necessarily disagree with some of the things you say there, so I'll let it be. Only thing I'll point out is that Verizon not getting the S4 has nothing to do with Android the OS itself. I mean, Tmobile only recently got the iPhone 5, but I don't use that to discuss iOS' shortcomings.

And time to iet it go? I'm not holding onto anything. Just posting thoughts on a forum about smartphones. All I did here was point out that Android can now be considered better for more than just the fun of customization.

And that I don't know why we suddenly are so sensitive to calling an OS "better" when many people (myself included) were happily doing so when describing iOS/iPhone not that long ago.. iOS was the better operating system and many people said as much and defended it [easily] as such. Now, the tides have changed and it seems to say a competitive platform is better is unacceptable and somehow insults the subjectivity of a user.

Again, just throwing the point out there.
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It's not really that serious to many that's what you're not getting here. For someone like me picking up and putting down a phone is all I do, I don't need all the extra hoopla. I'm a basic smartphone user and that's just my style and preference. I don't need to root or hack or whatever. What's competitive to you is nothing to many. It's not really that serious, I have a accurate keyboard, loads of apps and decent battery life. That's all I really need.

Irishman said:
I'm just a normal phone user. I don't need to maximize the efficiency of button presses, or minimize the number of screens I have to go to in order to toggle BT on and off.

I'm not a phone nerd. Phone nerds are the ones who - by and large - are screaming for these things. Apple doesn't design their iPhone for for that tiny but vocal minority.
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That's what he doesn't get it's pointless explaining and sitting here fighting over a phone, it's a phone... That's it.

These websites I visit them and I think some androids are cool but I'm not selling my iPhone to buy one. I'm not a phone junky, part of the reason I bought the iPhone is for this very reason, simplicity and the ease of use and piece if mind. If I had a android s3 I'd probably be shelling out money for a s4 or one or whatever new phone is out when in reality they all do the same exact thing.
 
Irishman said:
I'm just a normal phone user. I don't need to maximize the efficiency of button presses, or minimize the number of screens I have to go to in order to toggle BT on and off.

I'm not a phone nerd. Phone nerds are the ones who - by and large - are screaming for these things. Apple doesn't design their iPhone for for that tiny but vocal minority.
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Um... wanting things to be easier has nothing to do with being a nerd. But okay.

Like I said, hard to defend iOS, nowadays, isn't it? So Android doing basic things easier than iOS suddenly means only nerds want things easier.

All righty!

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cuzo said:
It's not really that serious to many that's what you're not getting here. For someone like me picking up and putting down a phone is all I do, I don't need all the extra hoopla. I'm a basic smartphone user and that's just my style and preference. I don't need to root or hack or whatever. What's competitive to you is nothing to many. It's not really that serious, I have a accurate keyboard, loads of apps and decent battery life. That's all I really need.
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More power to you. I'm not sure why you're here to discuss alternatives, then. And why you'd have a problem with me pointing out iOS' shortcomings. Those shortcomings don't affect you. I'm not saying they do. Again, there's that conversation, and then there's another type of conversation where preferences can be sidelined. Otherwise, at this point, I'd just say, "well, I need more than decent battery life." And our preferences cancel each other out. What's the point of even having forums then?

Again, more power to you and your phone of choice.

And maybe you haven't read this post yet in this thread:

onthecouchagain said:
Again, I'm happy to say any OS system is "better" than another. And did so happily a mere 1.5 to 2 years ago when I would speak about the iPhone and iOS. No one seemed to have a problem then regarding subjectivity or relative use. Now it seems we can't say Android is better for fear of stomping on people's preferences and subjectivity. I'm not saying these things don't exist anymore; they of course still do, as they did two years ago when iOS was the better OS. Why are people so sensitive about saying Android is the better OS but not when people say iOS is the better OS? It's okay to admit one is better than the other without having to constantly reference preferences.

I used to constantly recommend the iPhone/iOS to people. Now, I rarely ever do. Friends, colleagues and family that know me come to me for advice regarding tech all the time. I tell them the same thing, that the times have changed and that at this point and time, Android is the better option unless there are very specific reasons why the iPhone would be better suited.

If we're interested in discussing where and how iOS could improve, we need to stop being so sensitive about pointing out its shortcomings. If we always chock it up to preference, then we'd just cancel each other out. Preference still exists, mind you, but again, depending on the discussion, sometimes it's okay to let it sit at the sidelines. Otherwise, one person will say I prefer this, and another person will say, well I don't and I prefer it the complete other way. And if all we can go on is preference, then the conversation is over. There's no more room to discuss improvements.

Understand that I do this with Android too. Dig through my post history. I've pointed out plenty of shortcomings of Android stock or otherwise, and of its manufacturers, from Samsung to HTC to LG. I've even criticize Google directly for some of their foolishness, too.

I'm not trying to be contentious, and I do apologize if there are any misunderstandings. I'll take some of that blame, but likewise, y'all need to relax when I say "Android is better than iOS." I shouldn't have to put a disclaimer every time that it's my opinion or my preference or that you can't prefer something else.

Hope people understand.
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onthecouchagain said:
Um... wanting things to be easier has nothing to do with being a nerd. But okay.

Like I said, hard to defend iOS, nowadays, isn't it? So Android doing basic things easier than iOS suddenly means only nerds want things easier.

All righty!

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More power to you. I'm not sure why you're here to discuss alternatives, then. And why you'd have a problem with me pointing out iOS' shortcomings. Those shortcomings don't affect you. I'm not saying they do. Again, there's that conversation, and then there's another type of conversation where preferences can be sidelined. Otherwise, at this point, I'd just say, "well, I need more than decent battery life." And our preferences cancel each other out. What's the point of even having forums then?

Again, more power to you and your phone of choice.

And maybe you haven't read this post yet in this thread:
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Because the core of what you argue about hasn't really changed beside five or take a couple new features so then again what are you continuously arguing over?
 
Right now one of the main things drawing me away from WP8 and toward Android is it's compatibility with third party devices like the fitbit and the pebble. Those things aren't supported on WP8. So while I love my 920, I am gonna pick up an S4 next week. Also really looking forward to iOS7. If it has the kind of changes I most want to see than I will sacrifice screen size and go back to iOS.

iOS is smoother, more polished, and generally just the easiest mobile OS to use, but I like WP8 a lot (but it needs some time) and Android has gotten so much better the last couple of years.
 
I've been a flip flopper when it comes to iOS and Android since the G1 debuted. I started with the G1, then moved to the original iPhone when I broke my G1 screen. I won't bore you with my device history, but over time Android has made incremental improvements to its system just as iOS has. Android 4.0 was a major overhaul that has no real parallel with iOS in terms of such a complete refinement of the user experience. With 4.1 Jelly Bean or higher on a newer device I see very little difference in fluidity, lagging or crashes between my iPhone 5 and Nexus 4 as long as you don't get too crazy and start downloading shady stuff on your phone. I use Apple for my computers, so I thought I would have a hard time replacing conveniences like iMessage and other features that made syncing so seamless. It turns out that, for me, this was not the case. Android offers a lot of apps that give those same features (shout out to MightyText!), but you'd never realize the extent of Android's latest refinements without spending time with it as your daily driver. That being said, I still use my iPhone more often than my Nexus for no particular reason. For those people who don't use OS X, the iOS software doesn't have a huge set of advantages. I'm not a big fan of the dark theme of stock Android, but that can be changed quite easily. My favorite Android features are, without a doubt, the ability the change screen brightness/toggle wifi without entering star settings menu, and being able to launch apps from the lock screen. On the flip side, I have yet to find an Android phone with top notch hardware that is a comfortable size for one handed use. I also have to give the iPhone a clear win on battery life vs my previous Androids (HTC One X, Galaxy Note, Nexus 4).

Having contributed essentially nothing to the conversation, I'll go ahead and conclude here lol. Please no haters!
 
Irishman said:
I'm just a normal phone user. I don't need to maximize the efficiency of button presses, or minimize the number of screens I have to go to in order to toggle BT on and off.

I'm not a phone nerd. Phone nerds are the ones who - by and large - are screaming for these things. Apple doesn't design their iPhone for for that tiny but vocal minority.
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A "normal" phone user would find very little difference between iOS and Android 4.2 stock.
 
onthecouchagain said:
Why are people so sensitive about saying Android is the better OS but not when people say iOS is the better OS? It's okay to admit one is better than the other without having to constantly refer
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Because on macrumors you are entitled to any opinion you like - as long as it is pro-Apple. If it is then you are an intelligent, rational person. If not then you are a troll or a fool! :D

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onthecouchagain said:
um... Wanting things to be easier has nothing to do with being a nerd. But okay.

Like i said, hard to defend ios, nowadays, isn't it? So android doing basic things easier than ios suddenly means only nerds want things easier.

All righty!
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:D

Again, keep up mate! As soon as Android does something better, that characteristic is no longer an important criterion!

iOS has more Apps!
*Android surpasses this*
iOS has better quality Apps

iOS is a more efficient interface!
* Android updates UI *
Only phone geeks care about a few more clicks!

iPhone has much better specs!
* Android OEMs bring out higher spec phones *
Specs are meaningless, its about smoothness!
* Google releases project butter *

Android phone's higher benchmarks are meaningless!
* iPhone 5 does well in benchmarks *
Benchmarks are a very good indicator of phone performance!

If it doesn't have a retina res screen it's worthless!
* Competitors release retina-spec screens *
Resolution doesn't matter - brightness/colour reproduction/readability are most important!!
* Apple releases low res iPad mini *
You can't see the pixels either way on that sized screen!

Look how big and glorious this iPhone 4 screen is!
* Competitors release 4"+ screens
Those screens are ridiculously big, how do you fit that in your pocket! 3.5" is perfect!
* Apple releases 4" screen *
It's got a different aspect ratio so I can use it one handed! 4" is perfect!

Top end Android and Apple phones are roughly the same cost!
* Google releases well specced Nexus device for half the price *
It's pathetic, they have to give their stuff away!

This LG screen/Toshiba SSD in my Macbook Air sucks! I'm taking it back for one with a superior Samsung screen/SSD!
* Apple stops using Samsung as a parts supplier because of competition in the phone market *
The picture ghosting on this LG panel is hardly noticeable!

I could go on and on and on and on....

But it all started with this one:

*Apple borrows heavily from PARC design*
"Picasso had a saying - 'good artists copy, great artists steal' - and we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas.” - Steve Jobs
*Microsoft borrow heavily from Apple design*
Thieves!
 
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SlCKB0Y said:
Because on macrumors you are entitled to any opinion you like - as long as it is pro-Apple. If it is then you are an intelligent, rational person. If not then you are a troll or a fool! :D

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Sometimes I forget the rules. :D
 
I've had the HTC One for about 5 days now after owning an iPhone 4s for around a year. I have to be honest with myself and you folks... Having to babysit the battery and download apps that help in that process is the biggest gripe I have. I will be going back to the iPhone 5 this week as I need a phone that works all the time. Not something that I have to tinker with to stay a float.
 
NiKeZz said:
I've had the HTC One for about 5 days now after owning an iPhone 4s for around a year. I have to be honest with myself and you folks... Having to babysit the battery and download apps that help in that process is the biggest gripe I have. I will be going back to the iPhone 5 this week as I need a phone that works all the time. Not something that I have to tinker with to stay a float.
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My experience with the One is quite different. This has been easily the best battery life I've enjoyed on any smartphone, iPhone or otherwise. I get home from my typical usage pattern with roughly 50% of juice still left. I easily manage 15+ hours a day. Very impressed by this considering this is a phone from HTC who have historically had horrid battery life.

Did you turn off Google Now? That might be the culprit. Realize you can keep some cards, but other cards can be useless depending on what you're interested in. For example, I don't need Google Now to poll about sports stats or tell me traffic updates as I rarely drive. Turning those certain cards off help.

But otherwise, enjoy your iPhone 5. I thought the battery life on the 5 was pretty average.

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SlCKB0Y said:
iOS is a more efficient interface!
* Android updates UI *
Only phone geeks care about a few more clicks!
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Heh, this is almost exactly how my conversation with Irishman went in this thread:

I pointed out that Android is so much more than just customizations, that even doing most basic everyday phone stuff is easier than iOS. Irishman points out I'm nitpicking features. I point out the examples I used were making phone calls, browsing the web, etc. He points out only nerds want to do things with less steps.

Right on cue. ;)
 
onthecouchagain said:
My experience with the One is quite different. This has been easily the best battery life I've enjoyed on any smartphone, iPhone or otherwise. I get home from my typical usage pattern with roughly 50% of juice still left. I easily manage 15+ hours a day. Very impressed by this considering this is a phone from HTC who have historically had horrid battery life.

Did you turn off Google Now? That might be the culprit. Realize you can keep some cards, but other cards can be useless depending on what you're interested in. For example, I don't need Google Now to poll about sports stats or tell me traffic updates as I rarely drive. Turning those certain cards off help.

But otherwise, enjoy your iPhone 5. I thought the battery life on the 5 was pretty average.

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Heh, this is almost exactly how my conversation with Irishman went in this thread:

I pointed out that Android is so much more than just customizations, that even doing most basic everyday phone stuff is easier than iOS. Irishman points out I'm nitpicking features. I point out the examples I used were making phone calls, browsing the web, etc. He points out only nerds want to do things with less steps.

Right on cue. ;)
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Wow, I don't even know what to say. Comparing the Ones battery life to the iphone is just bonkers. You must of stumbled upon the holy grail of HTC Ones. I know a few people that have the phone and one of their only gripes is battery life. Every single one of them. Two of these said people came from the iphone 5.
 
bean dip said:
Wow, I don't even know what to say. Comparing the Ones battery life to the iphone is just bonkers. You must of stumbled upon the holy grail of HTC Ones. I know a few people that have the phone and one of their only gripes is battery life. Every single one of them. Two of these said people came from the iphone 5.
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I've yet to encounter a situation where an iOS device's battery life didn't spank that of an Android equivalent. That's just the way of it. My solution? A spare battery and charging stand for my S3 :D. Not often needed when home (the S3 is good for a day of intensive use) but has saved my life a few times when travelling.
 
bean dip said:
Wow, I don't even know what to say. Comparing the Ones battery life to the iphone is just bonkers. You must of stumbled upon the holy grail of HTC Ones. I know a few people that have the phone and one of their only gripes is battery life. Every single one of them. Two of these said people came from the iphone 5.
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I'm getting comparable battery life when I rarely turn my phone on, clear all the open apps, download an app that helps you monitor the battery, turn down the brightness, etc. I don't want to have to do these things to keep my battery life decent though and I never had to worry about these things on my iPhone. I'm still holding onto the phone for a few more days to give the battery time to calibrate.... But if I can't make it through a day of work without having to put it on the charger, then I'll be jumping ship.
 
Enjoy your iPhone OP. at least you got around to giving it a fair chance and were pleasantly surprised. :)

So much good choice out there I think we can all find something that'll keep us happy, it's a pity it ends up in subjective bickering so many times! :(
 
I think that's the problem with both sides - not giving the other a fair shot.

Iphone people don't try Android long at all then rule it out, Android people rule out ios because of its limited nature and lack of features.

Both fall short and both excel over the other
 
bean dip said:
Wow, I don't even know what to say. Comparing the Ones battery life to the iphone is just bonkers. You must of stumbled upon the holy grail of HTC Ones. I know a few people that have the phone and one of their only gripes is battery life. Every single one of them. Two of these said people came from the iphone 5.
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I'm an iOS guy and I have to halfway concur with Couch here - my One gets great battery life, on par or better than my iP5. Where I disagree with him is that I think the iPhone 5 gets great battery life as well.
 
I probably never really gave it a chance either. I've always been all about android since the G1 and cupcake days and didn't get on the ios bandwagon till the iPhone 4. Tried it for a while but honestly the only thing I really like about ios is the app selection. Everything else just seems like taking a step backwards from android. The worst of it for me was that there wasn't a doggone dedicated back button. I mean who doesn't make a freaking back button. Even my old dumb feature phones had that.
 
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