Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

revmacian

macrumors 68000
Original poster
Oct 20, 2018
1,745
1,468
USA
The truth is that I am deaf, I lost my hearing in the military almost 30 years ago and haven’t been able to talk/hear on a phone since then. That is, until now. Thanks to the iPhone I am now able to pair my cochlear implants directly to my iPhone XR and can talk/hear on the phone most of the time.. though I still have trouble with some accents of the people I call. So, I am now in need of help in learning how to use a phone.. it’s been almost 30 years since I’ve talked on a phone.

1. Can I use other apps on the device while on a phone call? If someone sends me a pic, can I view the pic without having to hang up first?

2. How do I keep my cheek/face from dialing numbers if it happens to touch the screen during a call?

3. What happens to the call if my phone goes into sleep mode (screen saver?) during a call?

Anyone else here have experience in using MFI hearing devices during phone calls?
 
The truth is that I am deaf, I lost my hearing in the military almost 30 years ago and haven’t been able to talk/hear on a phone since then. That is, until now. Thanks to the iPhone I am now able to pair my cochlear implants directly to my iPhone XR and can talk/hear on the phone most of the time.. though I still have trouble with some accents of the people I call. So, I am now in need of help in learning how to use a phone.. it’s been almost 30 years since I’ve talked on a phone.

1. Can I use other apps on the device while on a phone call? If someone sends me a pic, can I view the pic without having to hang up first?

2. How do I keep my cheek/face from dialing numbers if it happens to touch the screen during a call?

3. What happens to the call if my phone goes into sleep mode (screen saver?) during a call?

Anyone else here have experience in using MFI hearing devices during phone calls?

1. Yes you can! You’ll get the hang of it but swipe up from the call from the bottom of the screen to view the home screen and go from there. Also can view texts and pictures from people while on the phone! Good luck!

2. When you put your cheek to the phone it should go black. There’s a sensor that will turn the screen off when you have it up to your face.

3. Nothing will happen. If you hit the power button with connected to your implants it should just shut the screen off.

4. Sorry no experience in this

Again good luck and hope you figure out quickly. Any other questions don’t hesitate to ask!
 
  • Like
Reactions: revmacian
There's also something called RTT "Real time text" available from Accessibility in Settings (many good features in there for hearing help). It allows you to do real time typing to a person instead of a call. Like, it works just like a call, but when they pick up they are presented with "A deaf or hearing impaired person has called you. This conversation will happen over text" (or something like that. Never actually tried, only read about it). You then just have a text entry field and it's all real time so they can see what you write as you write it and vice versa.
 
  • Like
Reactions: revmacian
1. Yes you can! You’ll get the hang of it but swipe up from the call from the bottom of the screen to view the home screen and go from there. Also can view texts and pictures from people while on the phone! Good luck!

2. When you put your cheek to the phone it should go black. There’s a sensor that will turn the screen off when you have it up to your face.

3. Nothing will happen. If you hit the power button with connected to your implants it should just shut the screen off.

4. Sorry no experience in this

Again good luck and hope you figure out quickly. Any other questions don’t hesitate to ask!
Thank you for the answers!
The screen doesn’t go black when I put it up to my face. I’m guessing that using MFI hearing devices has something to do with keeping the screen on.


There's also something called RTT "Real time text" available from Accessibility in Settings (many good features in there for hearing help). It allows you to do real time typing to a person instead of a call. Like, it works just like a call, but when they pick up they are presented with "A deaf or hearing impaired person has called you. This conversation will happen over text" (or something like that. Never actually tried, only read about it). You then just have a text entry field and it's all real time so they can see what you write as you write it and vice versa.
Wow, I never knew RTT existed! I could have been using the phone all these years had I known that. Thank you!
 
Wow, I never knew RTT existed! I could have been using the phone all these years had I known that. Thank you!

You're welcome. I have eyesight issues myself and use accessibility options. There's a lot of good stuff on Apple platforms to do with various disabilities or just helpful aids. My brother's girlfriend is deaf as well. For notifications she has the camera flash light up so she can visually see notifications come in when her phone's in her periphery vision for instance.
[automerge]1572218809[/automerge]
The screen doesn’t go black when I put it up to my face. I’m guessing that using MFI hearing devices has something to do with keeping the screen on.

I believe so. If you have bluetooth headset connected it also doesn't go black. But I'm thinking you don't need to bring it up to your face anyway, if it's connected to the hearing aid?
 
  • Like
Reactions: revmacian
You're welcome. I have eyesight issues myself and use accessibility options. There's a lot of good stuff on Apple platforms to do with various disabilities or just helpful aids. My brother's girlfriend is deaf as well. For notifications she has the camera flash light up so she can visually see notifications come in when her phone's in her periphery vision for instance.
[automerge]1572218809[/automerge]


I believe so. If you have bluetooth headset connected it also doesn't go black. But I'm thinking you don't need to bring it up to your face anyway, if it's connected to the hearing aid?
My implants are indeed paired to my phone via Bluetooth. And, you’re right, I don’t even need to hold my phone to my ears at all because this pairing to my implants works just as well from several feet away. I just need to be sure that I’m speaking into the microphone. So, the screen problem is solved now.
 
1. Yes you can! You’ll get the hang of it but swipe up from the call from the bottom of the screen to view the home screen and go from there. Also can view texts and pictures from people while on the phone! Good luck!

To add to this after you swipe up if you look at the top left of the screen you'll see a little green phone icon. You can touch that to go back to the phone interface if you need to. From there you could use the mute button, press a number key to get through a phone menu, etc.
 
To add to this after you swipe up if you look at the top left of the screen you'll see a little green phone icon. You can touch that to go back to the phone interface if you need to. From there you could use the mute button, press a number key to get through a phone menu, etc.
Yeah, I was just trying to figure out how to get back to the phone call. On the iPhone XR it’s a bit different. The time in the top left is highlighted in green (no green phone icon), and tapping that took me back to the phone call. I don’t know if the time is shown in green because I’m using MFI devices for the phone call or if iOS 13.1.2 has changed this.. so your mileage may vary. I do know that I’ve never seen the time change color like that before today. See the below screenshot:

5F04D999-DB67-4F2C-BAB8-630FA36F08F5.jpeg
 
  • Like
Reactions: MisterSavage
Wow, the timing on this thread is just perfect for me, since just a couple of days ago I was set up with two bone-anchored hearing aids (BAHAs) and the MiFi accessibility options on my iPhone 11 Pro. I've been wearing BAHAs for years, but this is the first time Ive had the opportunity to use the latest technology with them...and I'm just blown away, especially with being able to stream music from my iTunes library right into my devices. That said, yeah, the whole thing about using the phone has raised questions for me and since I don't get that many phone calls or make them, I haven't had to deal with the situation yet.....

Up until now (and I suspect continuing from now, anyway) I have been able to use my iPhone held up to my head, pressed against my mastoid bone, because there is plenty of vibration that then goes right through to my cochleas (bone conduction in its purest form). My last set of BAHAs I never bothered using with the phone, just did it the natural way which works for me. That said, though, that was prior to now being hooked up via the Accessibility and MiFi features on my iPhone so that phone calls will now come through and be heard by me on the BAHAs through the iPhone....and I'm a little uneasy about that since I haven't tried it out, figured I had enough other new things to learn first.

All I can say is, nobody better send me a photo or text while I'm already on the phone in a regular conversation, as I know I'll get confused and lose the conversation and mess up the receiving of the text as well! It's reassuring to see in this thread how to at least get back to the phone conversation if need be.....

Revmacian, there is a thread here on MR about hearing impairments, hearing aids and such, which could be a valuable resource, too, for you, even though we all have different hearing situations. Not sure that anyone in the thread has cochlear implants, you may be the first, but in general, hearing impairment is....well, hearing impairment and we all struggle with similar issues, regardless of the type of hearing devices we use.
[automerge]1572223036[/automerge]
There's also something called RTT "Real time text" available from Accessibility in Settings (many good features in there for hearing help). It allows you to do real time typing to a person instead of a call. Like, it works just like a call, but when they pick up they are presented with "A deaf or hearing impaired person has called you. This conversation will happen over text" (or something like that. Never actually tried, only read about it). You then just have a text entry field and it's all real time so they can see what you write as you write it and vice versa.

This real-time text thing sounds very similar to using a TTY! That makes sense, actually, as in the old days, it was found that deaf people could use a teletype machine through the phone lines in order to communicate with each other or with hearing people who had access to a TTY machine. Now with texting available on our iPhones and other cellphones, it makes sense to go one step further and have real-time-texting usable by the deaf person and others.... This, right along with regular texting, nicely eliminates the need in many cases for a third-party intermediary at a specific service for the hearing-impaired, who receives the typed messages from the deaf person and then verbally relays them to a hearing person who doesn't have a TTYS available.

Wow, modern technology is just grand, isn't it?!
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: revmacian
Yeah, I was just trying to figure out how to get back to the phone call. On the iPhone XR it’s a bit different. The time in the top left is highlighted in green (no green phone icon), and tapping that took me back to the phone call. I don’t know if the time is shown in green because I’m using MFI devices for the phone call or if iOS 13.1.2 has changed this.. so your mileage may vary. I do know that I’ve never seen the time change color like that before today. See the below screenshot:

Believe it's always been green. Placement is just whether you have a notch or not. On a notch-less device the whole top bar is green, on X-designs it's just the left side.

It can go red too if an app is recording audio in the background, like GarageBand.

This real-time text thing sounds very similar to using a TTY! That makes sense, actually, as in the old days, it was found that deaf people could use a teletype machine through the phone lines in order to communicate with each other or with hearing people who had access to a TTY machine. Now with texting available on our iPhones and other cellphones, it makes sense to go one step further and have real-time-texting usable by the deaf person and others.... This, right along with regular texting, nicely eliminates the need in many cases for a third-party intermediary at a specific service for the hearing-impaired, who receives the typed messages from the deaf person and then verbally relays them to a hearing person who doesn't have a TTYS available.

I should mention the RTT thing does, I believe, require support from the operator/carrier. It isn't actually a specific smartphone feature. It's a phone network thing, based on the whole TTY thing you talked about in the first place. Even some feature phones support it. It's even possible, on iPhone anyway, to set it up so a blind and deaf person can communicate. Deaf person on the call types, blind person gets it read aloud by Siri whenever a sentence or sub-sentence is done, and can reply with voice that then gets transcribed.

Now that's modern tech at its best. Empowering people
 
Wow, the timing on this thread is just perfect for me, since just a couple of days ago I was set up with two bone-anchored hearing aids (BAHAs) and the MiFi accessibility options on my iPhone 11 Pro. I've been wearing BAHAs for years, but this is the first time Ive had the opportunity to use the latest technology with them...and I'm just blown away, especially with being able to stream music from my iTunes library right into my devices. That said, yeah, the whole thing about using the phone has raised questions for me and since I don't get that many phone calls or make them, I haven't had to deal with the situation yet.....

Up until now (and I suspect continuing from now, anyway) I have been able to use my iPhone held up to my head, pressed against my mastoid bone, because there is plenty of vibration that then goes right through to my cochleas (bone conduction in its purest form). My last set of BAHAs I never bothered using with the phone, just did it the natural way which works for me. That said, though, that was prior to now being hooked up via the Accessibility and MiFi features on my iPhone so that phone calls will now come through and be heard by me on the BAHAs through the iPhone....and I'm a little uneasy about that since I haven't tried it out, figured I had enough other new things to learn first.

All I can say is, nobody better send me a photo or text while I'm already on the phone in a regular conversation, as I know I'll get confused and lose the conversation and mess up the receiving of the text as well! It's reassuring to see in this thread how to at least get back to the phone conversation if need be.....

Revmacian, there is a thread here on MR about hearing impairments, hearing aids and such, which could be a valuable resource, too, for you, even though we all have different hearing situations. Not sure that anyone in the thread has cochlear implants, you may be the first, but in general, hearing impairment is....well, hearing impairment and we all struggle with similar issues, regardless of the type of hearing devices we use.
[automerge]1572223036[/automerge]


This real-time text thing sounds very similar to using a TTY! That makes sense, actually, as in the old days, it was found that deaf people could use a teletype machine through the phone lines in order to communicate with each other or with hearing people who had access to a TTY machine. Now with texting available on our iPhones and other cellphones, it makes sense to go one step further and have real-time-texting usable by the deaf person and others.... This, right along with regular texting, nicely eliminates the need in many cases for a third-party intermediary at a specific service for the hearing-impaired, who receives the typed messages from the deaf person and then verbally relays them to a hearing person who doesn't have a TTYS available.

Wow, modern technology is just grand, isn't it?!
I know, right? It’s amazing what technology has been able to do for the hearing impaired community lately! I still have an old TTY.. hated that thing.

I’m so glad I started this thread!
 
  • Like
Reactions: Clix Pix
I'm glad you did, too, Revmacian! Years ago when I was working in my local public library system, it was a branch which also offered special services (Talking Books for the Blind through the Library of Congress, a TTY for the Deaf). Being hearing-impaired myself, I took to that TTY immediately, even though in fact I could and did use the standard telephone regularly, both at home and as part of my job as a reference librarian. That TTY offered a whole other kind of communication, one which fit me like a glove. I loved it. Staff knew that when a call was coming in on the TTY to run and find me.... I would come into the workroom, and as I was sitting down at the machine, with one hand I would be flicking the button to turn off my hearing aid and with the other hand was already starting to type..... It was too easy to get lost in a conversation on there, and since I knew some of the callers personally, too, it sometimes was hard not to get involved in a personal discussion but to stick to library-related issues. It really was a valuable tool for our hearing-impaired patrons. I also learned Sign and that was helpful when a deaf person came into the library, too.

Anyway, eventually I left that branch for another position somewhere else in the system. One day I was near my former branch and so stopped in to say 'Hi." As it happened, a call came in on the TTY while I was standing there in the workroom chatting, and I was honestly shocked at just how loud it actually was and for the first time realized why staff would get rather annoyed when it was in use. For me, it wasn't an issue since I turned off my hearing aid, but they had to listen to the clacking of the keys and all the rest....

Eventually that old TTY was replaced with a smaller, more portable (and I think easier to use) device. Now I'm not sure what they use in the library system, since I have been retired for some years now. Definitely the advent of smartphones and texting, FaceTime and all that, has been a real boon to hearing-impaired people! Apple has been at the forefront of this since the very beginning, and I applaud them.

Casperes, I think you're right that the current RTT system is an upgrade from the old system where a deaf person called a number using the TTY and then a hearing person responded on the TTY, then placed an oral call via regular phone to whoever the deaf person was trying to contact, and the "conversation" went from there... Telephone Relay System, something like that, it was called..... Seems to me, though, that in many cases the RTT wouldn't be needed as much these days as long as the hearing-impaired person had the phone number to text a friend, family member or business.....they could just text them directly. Certainly, direct texting would be a lot more private and less cumbersome than involving another person or even Siri in the middle of the conversation! Being able to take that all one step further and enable conversation between a blind person and a deaf person -- amazing and wonderful!!! Indeed, empowering.....
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: revmacian
I'm glad you did, too, Revmacian! Years ago when I was working in my local public library system, it was a branch which also offered special services (Talking Books for the Blind through the Library of Congress, a TTY for the Deaf). Being hearing-impaired myself, I took to that TTY immediately, even though in fact I could and did use the standard telephone regularly, both at home and as part of my job as a reference librarian. That TTY offered a whole other kind of communication, one which fit me like a glove. I loved it. Staff knew that when a call was coming in on the TTY to run and find me.... I would come into the workroom, and as I was sitting down at the machine, with one hand I would be flicking the button to turn off my hearing aid and with the other hand was already starting to type..... It was too easy to get lost in a conversation on there, and since I knew some of the callers personally, too, it sometimes was hard not to get involved in a personal discussion but to stick to library-related issues. It really was a valuable tool for our hearing-impaired patrons. I also learned Sign and that was helpful when a deaf person came into the library, too.

Anyway, eventually I left that branch for another position somewhere else in the system. One day I was near my former branch and so stopped in to say 'Hi." As it happened, a call came in on the TTY while I was standing there in the workroom chatting, and I was honestly shocked at just how loud it actually was and for the first time realized why staff would get rather annoyed when it was in use. For me, it wasn't an issue since I turned off my hearing aid, but they had to listen to the clacking of the keys and all the rest....

Eventually that old TTY was replaced with a smaller, more portable (and I think easier to use) device. Now I'm not sure what they use in the library system, since I have been retired for some years now. Definitely the advent of smartphones and texting, FaceTime and all that, has been a real boon to hearing-impaired people! Apple has been at the forefront of this since the very beginning, and I applaud them.

Casperes, I think you're right that the current RTT system is an upgrade from the old system where a deaf person called a number using the TTY and then a hearing person responded on the TTY, then placed an oral call via regular phone to whoever the deaf person was trying to contact, and the "conversation" went from there... Telephone Relay System, something like that, it was called..... Seems to me, though, that in many cases the RTT wouldn't be needed as much these days as long as the hearing-impaired person had the phone number to text a friend, family member or business.....they could just text them directly. Certainly, direct texting would be a lot more private and less cumbersome than involving another person in the middle of the conversation!
I live in a “deaf house”, you cannot rent here unless you’re hearing impaired, and we now use a video relay system supplied by a company called Sorensen. There are other companies like Z and Purple, but the equipment is basically a video camera, monitor and keyboard and were free through a program at the FCC. I’m told that many deaf people are moving to this video relay system and that TTY’s are fading into the past. This new system requires sign language, you can do VCO (Voice Carry Over) but most of the relay operators I’ve dealt with are deaf people employed by Sorensen so sign language is a must.
 
That video relay system sounds as though it would be ideal for deaf people, as they can then use their own beautiful and expressive "native language" and not have to deal with typing words on a machine. For many profoundly deaf people who were born deaf (prelingually deaf), acquisition and use of oral and written language is very difficult and frustrating, if not at times impossible, so being able to simply Sign back-and-forth with family and friends through the relay system video would be perfect!

I've always been right in the middle between the Deaf and Hearing worlds, not being profoundly deaf, but also not being able to hear normally, due to congenital bilateral conductive loss. When I was very small, I went to an Oral school in Pittsburgh, PA, for several years. When I reached the age of six, when it was determined that I was "responsible enough now" to take care of a hearing aid, I was fitted with my first bone-conduction aid... Whew, thankfully that mode of thinking has long since gone by the wayside and now they put hearing aids on children the minute there is the realization that there is a hearing loss of some sort! Never mind "taking care of the hearing aid," let's just get the kid started hearing to whatever extent is possible as early as possible, which is so important for language acquisition and development of communication and other skills. So the kid throws the hearing aid across the room? (Not uncommon with infants and toddlers!) Fine, it can be repaired and/or replaced.....

The other thing which they did back then in the early 1950's and even through the 1970's and into the 1980's was to frown upon public and visible use of Sign. When I was at the Oral school, the nuns would smack our hands if they caught us signing, and we kids quickly learned how to be sneaky with that. This attitude, though, on the part of the personnel at the school also implied and sent a message loud and clear (didn't need to be hearing to pick up on it!) that there was something shameful and wrong about Sign, using it to connect with each other. True, we were in an Oral school, where verbal communication was being taught and encouraged, but realistically, for some kids that just wasn't going to work, simply was not possible. Those kids were so frustrated. The prevailing attitude at the school was, though, that Oral communication (lipreading, speaking) was the best way, the only way, and we were there to learn and to use it. Anything else wasn't appropriate, which is really an awful thing to do to kids, especially those for whom ASL, sign language, actually did offer the most effective means of communication!

Since I was able to kinda/sorta hear, especially after receiving my first bone-conduction hearing aid, and definitely able to speak, I didn't use Sign on a regular basis -- definitely not at home! -- and once I had left that school I pretty much forgot the signs I did know. Many years later, working at the library branch that had the TTY, it was suggested that learning Sign would be good, too, and I was encouraged to take a couple of classes in an adult ed program focusing on Signed English with some ASL thrown in. That first few weeks of the first course though, I found myself with a surprising internal emotional struggle as I tried to push past old memories and attitudes from the past...This was wrong, I wasn't supposed to Sign, this was BAD..... Memories flooded into my head: the Good Sisters suddenly appearing around corners of buildings (we didn't hear them coming!) and immediately smacking the hands of everyone who had been busily signing to each other..... In the classroom, a ruler smacked the fast-moving signing fingers, too. So, yeah, it took me a bit longer than it did most of my classmates in that adult ed classroom to finally, really, feel comfortable signing both in class and later when we went out in public somewhere to practice, too...... The instructor, a post-lingually deaf woman who had had her own negative experiences in Deaf School, was great -- she immediately related to what I was feeling and why, and that helped enormously.

It was just the way things were back in the late 1940's and early 1950's and of course at the time it made perfect sense to my parents to send me to an Oral school as opposed to one which was more focused on Sign, since I was not profoundly deaf and they were both hearing, but those years at the Oral school did have an impact on me.... Even now I shudder to think of the much more painful and significant impact it would have had on kids who were profoundly deaf who really would have benefitted from being in a school where ASL was the customary language right from the get-go.....

Of course I also learned a lot and really did benefit, too, from that Oral school, both in learning to lipread and to speak more clearly, as well as how to manage and live with a hearing aid, all of which helped throughout the rest of my life, but those other memories still haunt me....

I love how now in today's society it is perfectly fine for deaf people to be out somewhere in public together and signing busily away to each other and no one else stares, frowns or thinks much about it..... Communication has also been greatly improved for all of us through Smartphone and other technology and certainly those of us who are hearing-impaired to different degrees and the profoundly deaf have benefited a lot from that, too. Hearing-impaired eople's needs are taken into consideration from the get-go, from birth, and that makes such a difference.....
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: revmacian
That video relay system sounds as though it would be ideal for deaf people, as they can then use their own beautiful and expressive "native language" and not have to deal with typing words on a machine. For many profoundly deaf people who were born deaf (prelingually deaf), acquisition and use of oral and written language is very difficult and frustrating, if not at times impossible, so being able to simply Sign back-and-forth with family and friends through the relay system video would be perfect!

I've always been right in the middle between the Deaf and Hearing worlds, not being profoundly deaf, but also not being able to hear normally, due to congenital bilateral conductive loss. When I was very small, I went to an Oral school in Pittsburgh, PA, for several years. When I reached the age of six, when it was determined that I was "responsible enough now" to take care of a hearing aid, I was fitted with my first bone-conduction aid... Whew, thankfully that mode of thinking has long since gone by the wayside and now they put hearing aids on children the minute there is the realization that there is a hearing loss of some sort! Never mind "taking care of the hearing aid," let's just get the kid started hearing to whatever extent is possible as early as possible, which is so important for language acquisition and development of communication and other skills. So the kid throws the hearing aid across the room? (Not uncommon with infants and toddlers!) Fine, it can be repaired and/or replaced.....

The other thing which they did back then in the early 1950's and even through the 1970's and into the 1980's was to frown upon public and visible use of Sign. When I was at the Oral school, the nuns would smack our hands if they caught us signing, and we kids quickly learned how to be sneaky with that. This attitude, though, on the part of the personnel at the school also implied and sent a message loud and clear (didn't need to be hearing to pick up on it!) that there was something shameful and wrong about Sign, using it to connect with each other. True, we were in an Oral school, where verbal communication was being taught and encouraged, but realistically, for some kids that just wasn't going to work, simply was not possible. Those kids were so frustrated. The prevailing attitude at the school was, though, that Oral communication (lipreading, speaking) was the best way, the only way, and we were there to learn and to use it. Anything else wasn't appropriate, which is really an awful thing to do to kids, especially those for whom ASL, sign language, actually did offer the most effective means of communication!

Since I was able to kinda/sorta hear, especially after receiving my first bone-conduction hearing aid, and definitely able to speak, I didn't use Sign on a regular basis -- definitely not at home! -- and once I had left that school I pretty much forgot the signs I did know. Many years later, working at the library branch that had the TTY, it was suggested that learning Sign would be good, too, and I was encouraged to take a couple of classes in an adult ed program focusing on Signed English with some ASL thrown in. That first few weeks of the first course though, I found myself with a surprising internal emotional struggle as I tried to push past old memories and attitudes from the past...This was wrong, I wasn't supposed to Sign, this was BAD..... Memories flooded into my head: the Good Sisters suddenly appearing around corners of buildings (we didn't hear them coming!) and immediately smacking the hands of everyone who had been busily signing to each other..... In the classroom, a ruler smacked the fast-moving signing fingers, too. So, yeah, it took me a bit longer than it did most of my classmates in that adult ed classroom to finally, really, feel comfortable signing both in class and later when we went out in public somewhere to practice, too...... The instructor, a post-lingually deaf woman who had had her own negative experiences in Deaf School, was great -- she immediately related to what I was feeling and why, and that helped enormously.

It was just the way things were back in the late 1940's and early 1950's and of course at the time it made perfect sense to my parents to send me to an Oral school as opposed to one which was more focused on Sign, since I was not profoundly deaf and they were both hearing, but those years at the Oral school did have an impact on me.... Even now I shudder to think of the much more painful and significant impact it would have had on kids who were profoundly deaf who really would have benefitted from being in a school where ASL was the customary language right from the get-go.....

Of course I also learned a lot and really did benefit, too, from that Oral school, both in learning to lipread and to speak more clearly, as well as how to manage and live with a hearing aid, all of which helped throughout the rest of my life, but those other memories still haunt me....

I love how now in today's society it is perfectly fine for deaf people to be out somewhere in public together and signing busily away to each other and no one else stares, frowns or thinks much about it..... Communication has also been greatly improved for all of us through Smartphone and other technology and certainly those of us who are hearing-impaired to different degrees and the profoundly deaf have benefited a lot from that, too. Hearing-impaired eople's needs are taken into consideration from the get-go, from birth, and that makes such a difference.....

This was actually a really emotional read. I’m really sorry about the bad experiences, for you and your old school mates. That’s really a terrible way sign language was perceived. It’s a form of communication no different to any other. I’m sort of in the opposite boat, in that I have pretty good hearing but horrible eyesight. Went almost blind in 2011. Came back a little but still legally blind. I learned to use the accessibility functions on my Mac only a week or so before my eyesight went and it’s really been a lifesaver for me. I’m studying computer science at university and wouldn’t be able to do that without the accessibility offered by technology these days. Though with the way my eyesight is now I can even indulge hobbies like filmmaking, including colorgrading and such, because I have a tiny cone of alright sight right in the center, with really bad peripheral vision. Anyways, that’s a tangent.
As mentioned earlier in this thread, my brother’s girlfriend is deaf. She currently fights for parental rights over her daughter. Her ex was capable of basically taking their daughter away from her entirely, not even allowing her to see her, because she’s deaf. Apparently that argument somehow held in court, and it’s a disgrace. Only since my brother started seeing this girl have I really been introduced to the world of a deaf person. Is brown and coffee also the same sign in ASL or is that just Danish sign language (I’ve learned a few signs, but my eyesight is too bad to properly see the response, so that form of communication is pretty hard)? :).
Have you also heard about the sign translator from Africa, who was the state’s official translator for sign language for many many years, before it was discovered he didn’t even know sign. He just faked it the whole time, to get his paycheck. Absolute disgrace.

Things have definitely gotten a lot better compared to what you describe, but sadly there’s still a lot of negative, societally avoidable consequences to being deaf it seems.
 
  • Like
Reactions: revmacian
Yes, thankfully things have gotten significantly better now, and as you point out, current technology has made an incredible difference for both hearing-impaired and vision-impaired people. I know a few totally blind people, and all of them benefit enormously from having an iPhone or some other Smartphone with accessibility features, and from having computers with speech and dictation functions. It's a much better world than it was back in 1950 and 1960!

Casperes, I'm glad that you are doing so well because the accessibility features on the Mac work allow you to do what you want and need to do, and that you're able to pursue studies for the career in which you're interested. That makes such a difference in the quality of life!

That is really sad that your brother's girlfriend is having such a struggle over custody of her daughter. There is absolutely no reason why a deaf person cannot raise a child successfully! Of course there may be other things going on in the relationship with the ex-husband that I don't know about, but in general, deaf people have done just fine raising children who are hearing as well as children who have inherited the parents' deafness. Again, technology plays a role, such as with special baby monitors for the hearing-impaired and alarms on an iPhone, etc., when there is an infant or toddler in the house. A hearing child who is growing up in a household with one or both parents being deaf quickly learns what is needed to alert the deaf parent to something -- pot boiling over on the stove, for instance -- and also to serve as an interpreter for the parent when in a situation with hearing people in stores or other places.

Sign language is somewhat different in each country, and even in the US, just as with spoken language, there are some "dialects" specific to a particular region of the country. Many signs are similar but there are distinct differences, too, and a lot of signs are totally different when one goes abroad as opposed to what is used at home. In ASL, some signs and gestures look a lot alike on the hands and fingers, too, which can be problematic, especially for new learners! Also the rapidity with which native signers communicate with each other can leave the onlooker breathless at times!

One important feature of Sign, is that it not only involves the hands and arms and gestures, it really also involves the face and facial expressions, too, adding meaning, and often the whole body moves in accord with expressing something.

Yes, that man from Africa who was claiming to be an Interpreter was a real disgrace and he was taking advantage of people, earning money he did not deserve, and certainly doing no service for the deaf community he was supposed to be assisting. In the US, many children of deaf parents grow up to become interpreters, either as an actual career or simply to step in when needed by deaf family members or friends. Other people learn ASL, are intrigued by it and go on to further study and become official, certified interpreters.

There are definite guidelines and policies which must be followed, especially if one is interpreting in a medical situation or a legal situation. First and foremost, of course, always, is that the interpretation must be exactly what was said (or signed, if interpreting for a deaf person to a hearing person) -- no editorializing, no insertion of one's own thoughts or comments. Because of that, interpreting can sometimes be a very stressful job, especially in difficult interpersonal situations.

One thing which makes life frustrating for many deaf people is that it is an "invisible" disability and often others cannot tell just by looking at someone that this individual isn't going to be able to hear them. This can lead to issues when the deaf person doesn't promptly respond to a greeting or a shout coming from behind them or to a verbal order or instructions. The fact that not everyone knows sign language is another potential barrier, and many deaf people have difficulty with lip-reading. These barriers to communication can result in unpleasant situations for a deaf person.

So, yes, while things are much better now than they were years ago, society still has a long way to go when it comes to connecting with and communicating with people who are hearing-impaired.

Helen Keller, who was both blind and deaf, once commented that deafness cuts us off from other people. She also wrote: "The problems of deafness are deeper and more complex, if not more important, than those of blindness. Deafness is a much worse misfortune. For it means the loss of the most vital stimulus — the sound of the voice that brings language, sets thoughts astir and keeps us in the intellectual company of man."
 
  • Like
Reactions: revmacian
That is really sad that your brother's girlfriend is having such a struggle over custody of her daughter. There is absolutely no reason why a deaf person cannot raise a child successfully! Of course there may be other things going on in the relationship with the ex-husband that I don't know about, but in general, deaf people have done just fine raising children who are hearing as well as children who have inherited the parents' deafness. Again, technology plays a role, such as with special baby monitors for the hearing-impaired and alarms on an iPhone, etc., when there is an infant or toddler in the house. A hearing child who is growing up in a household with one or both parents being deaf quickly learns what is needed to alert the deaf parent to something -- pot boiling over on the stove, for instance -- and also to serve as an interpreter for the parent when in a situation with hearing people in stores or other places.

Yes. Yes it is. I've only heard the story from her perspective of course, but it really does seem entirely unfair. One night when she was feeding the baby, he got mad at her for "keeping the baby awake". The child had woken him screaming, and he had told her to do something about it, so she went and comforted and fed her, but he was disasatisfied that she didn't immediately make the baby sleep. He promptly called his mum and sister, and his sister literally took the baby from her arms and ran off. She screamed and punched at her then boyfriend to get her baby back, and he then used that in court to say she had anger issues as well making her incapable of dealing with the child. An absolutely terrible situation.

Sign language is somewhat different in each country, and even in the US, just as with spoken language, there are some "dialects" specific to a particular region of the country. Many signs are similar but there are distinct differences, too, and a lot of signs are totally different when one goes abroad as opposed to what is used at home. In ASL, some signs and gestures look a lot alike on the hands and fingers, too, which can be problematic, especially for new learners! Also the rapidity with which native signers communicate with each other can leave the onlooker breathless at times!

Yeah. I can attest to the speed being well mind-blowing sometimes. I mean, my brother is still learning. They've only been a couple for a few months now, and yet it's still really fast sometimes when they "talk". And then sometimes he stops a bit, and you can see he resorts to spelling a word he doesn't yet know ;).

One important feature of Sign, is that it not only involves the hands and arms and gestures, it really also involves the face and facial expressions, too, adding meaning, and often the whole body moves in accord with expressing something.

Didn't even know that. Thought it was all in the hands. Makes a lot of sense though. Thanks for the info :)

There are definite guidelines and policies which must be followed, especially if one is interpreting in a medical situation or a legal situation. First and foremost, of course, always, is that the interpretation must be exactly what was said (or signed, if interpreting for a deaf person to a hearing person) -- no editorializing, no insertion of one's own thoughts or comments. Because of that, interpreting can sometimes be a very stressful job, especially in difficult interpersonal situations.

Yeah. I have a friend who works as an interpreter for Vietnamese people who haven't yet learned Danish, so when they deal with the government and such she steps in to assist. Sometimes cultural differences also puts her in a hard position, especially since in Vietnam, physical punishment is an oft used technique in bringing up a child, but illegal in Denmark. And she's originally from Vietnam herself, and understands that it's not something everyone knows when they come here, and wants to give them second chances and such but legally she needs to report it immediately when it happens. - Pretty different to your example of direct delivery of a message, but still a case of regulations and personal injection urges. Though in both cases I think it's only good the regulations exist. After all, anything interpreted shouldn't be about the interpreter but the people on both ends.

One thing which makes life frustrating for many deaf people is that it is an "invisible" disability and often others cannot tell just by looking at someone that this individual isn't going to be able to hear them. This can lead to issues when the deaf person doesn't promptly respond to a greeting or a shout coming from behind them or to a verbal order or instructions. The fact that not everyone knows sign language is another potential barrier, and many deaf people have difficulty with lip-reading. These barriers to communication can result in unpleasant situations for a deaf person.

I've experienced this myself in different ways. I have a blind badge and such, but most of the time I don't wear it or anything else to indicate I see badly. And if I don't really know someone, but still sort of know them, they aren't always aware that I see badly, so if I walk by them on the street and they wave or something and I don't see them, they can sometimes get the wrong idea. Brother's girlfriend also says that sometimes if people say things to her, and she goes like "can't hear, mate" in sign (can't speak). They just start speaking English to her, which is kinda funny in a way. When I got diagnosed with LEBERS, the bad eyesight thing, I got a blind badge. - As said I don't often wear it, but it's really good for going through airports and such. As you say about verbal instructions, well if someone says "GO OVER THERE" and points somewhere, I can't always see where they point to. The badge helps a lot in situations like that. - There ought to be a similar thing for deafness to avoid bad situations in places like airports where you are likely to get ordered around by security folk and such.
 
  • Like
Reactions: revmacian
I think some deaf people do carry cards with them that they can hand out in situations which seem to be going in a negative direction or in which they want to prevent anything bad from happening. Certainly an airport would be a good place to have such a card or a badge! Most also carry a pad and pen or pencil with them, too, so that they can always write a note to a hearing person with whom they need to communicate. Sometimes hearing people can be pretty obtuse, even when the deaf person is pointing and gesturing to his or her ear and indicating that there is a problem, they can't hear....

It does sound as though there is more going in between your brother's girlfriend and her ex, and that is really sad for her and for her daughter. Usually courts don't like to take a child from its mother, especially if there is any doubt about a potential problem and who really is responsible for that problem. Certainly the fact that the mother is deaf is NOT justifiable reason for taking her child away from her and awarding custody to the ex!

Yes, there are a lot of similarities between interpreting for someone who is deaf and interpreting for someone whose native language is other than the one spoken in a particular situation. Definitely the same urge to help out and interject one's own feelings and thoughts while serving as an interpreter would apply just as much! It must feel so frustrating at times, especially if there is a negative outcome to the situation for which the interpreter has been hired to assist.
 
  • Like
Reactions: revmacian
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.