I predict the new MBP's will be barn burners

[Deanster]

So far, we've only seen the low-spec 13" MBP, and even that looks like a fast and effective machine in its category (15W CPU, integrated graphics.)

I predict that the new 13/15 MBP's w/ Touchbar end up being regarded as excellent pro machines. Fast CPU, midrange GPU, fast architecture, and the thing nobody's talking about is that this machine is an I/O monster.

Four Thunderbolt 3 ports and crazy fast SSD should give the new MBP's a total I/O capability that leaves every other laptop (and most desktops and workstations) in the dust.

All the upset about ports is a real and legitimate up-front hassle, but as far as I can tell without having a unit in hand, nobody's EVER made a laptop that can sustain this kind of throughput before.

Obviously, I haven't had a chance to test this yet, but I predict that for most pro tasks, the new MBP's will be stomping fast and effective, and once people start getting them in their hands, most of the 'not for pros' conversation will just evaporate.

I'd say the one big exception is for those doing large-scale 4K video editing and the like, where huge multi-gigabyte files and CPU-crushing loads are the norm. They probably really need a super-spec desktop or workstations, and will find even the highest-spec laptop underpowered. These are the people who legitimately do need 32 gigs of RAM and a high-end video card, and are willing to lug an 8-pound laptop as part of the tradeoff. They do exist, but a) they're a fairly narrow group, and b) Apple has been such a disaster in the Pro desktop space that the few I know personally all went to Windows 2+ years ago, where they could build 12-core desktops and triple high-end videocards, and are all lugging massive gaming laptops around.

 

[radus]

You are right.
We should criticize Apple when it's time to criticize, but not about this great new MBP.

 

[leman]

Not much to add, excellent post.

 

[protoxx]

Go lookup the cpu's for the 13's. Then go compare cpus on geekbench. Should give an approximation to estimate.

 

[Deanster]

The CPUs aren't really the issue for most of us. The Skylake CPU's are well-understood, and unless you're rendering/transcoding 4K or tons of 1080p video, we live in an era of vast CPU cycle superabundance. (and if you ARE rendering video, there's no amount of CPU power that's really enough).

In my mind, the real question is how all the parts come together to move work around the machine, from storage to RAM, through the CPU/GPU, and back. This is where Apple really shines historically, and with all four TB3 ports running PCIe straight to the CPU, we now have an insane amount of I/O on tap.

It remains to be seen how this plays out in the real world, but my prediction is that an awful lot of us are going to find the new machines simply fly.

 

[8692574]

The CPUs aren't really the issue for most of us. The Skylake CPU's are well-understood, and unless you're rendering/transcoding 4K or tons of 1080p video, we live in an era of vast CPU cycle superabundance. (and if you ARE rendering video, there's no amount of CPU power that's really enough).

In my mind, the real question is how all the parts come together to move work around the machine, from storage to RAM, through the CPU/GPU, and back. This is where Apple really shines historically, and with all four TB3 ports running PCIe straight to the CPU, we now have an insane amount of I/O on tap.

It remains to be seen how this plays out in the real world, but my prediction is that an awful lot of us are going to find the new machines simply fly.

Hi Tim, how are you today?

 

[Riffz60]

This is what I've been thinking. There has been a a lot of complaining online but at the event and specifically the people who reported on the hands on were very very impressed.

 

[Deanster]

Hi Tim, how are you today?

Doing great, Satya, thanks!

 

[8692574]

Doing great, Satya, thanks!

What does Microsoft have to do with it?

I mean, you sounded as a commercial... you know, it is silly for people to moan without even having the product at hands, but it is also silly to praise the product without even having tried it....

Edit: You only forgot to put a "Magic" or two

 

[Deanster]

Microsoft is a primary manufacturer of competing devices, you may have heard of them?

Have you also been hassling all the people here who have been bashing a product they've never seen or touched?

Amazing how eager some people are to jump on even a prediction that the new MBP might be a good computer after all.

 

[Esbenf]

What does Microsoft have to do with it?

I mean, you sounded as a commercial... you know, it is silly for people to moan without even having the product at hands, but it is also silly to praise the product without even having tried it....

Edit: You only forgot to put a "Magic" or two

I don't agree. He has some valuable points, as most people complaining about the new macbook pros are talking about either weak gpu, cpu, low RAM, usb-c and so on, ignoring the fact that Apple has a history of getting more out of the the hardware than you would expect from just checking the parts. Pointing this out does not make you sound like a commercial.

But let's see when the reviews and benchmarks roll in, none of us really know what the high end models can do before that.

 

[8692574]

Microsoft is a primary manufacturer of competing devices, you may have heard of them?

Have you also been hassling all the people here who have been bashing a product they've never seen or touched?

Amazing how eager some people are to jump on even a prediction that the new MBP might be a good computer after all.

You are getting too emotional, so I'll leave you alone. Sorry if you felt hassled by someone else opinion!!! LOL

You will learn and agree to disagree with people!

I don't agree. He has some valuable points, as most people complaining about the new macbook pros are talking about either weak gpu, cpu, low RAM, usb-c and so on, ignoring the fact that Apple has a history of getting more out of the the hardware than you would expect from just checking the parts. Pointing this out does not make you sound like a commercial.

But let's see when the reviews and benchmarks roll in, none of us really know what the high end models can do before that.

Well crazy ssd speed and such is just pure marketing gimmick and makes him sounds like a commercial, he has some valid points, but as he says himself, we have more cpu power than we really needs, and unless you do 4k and such., the same can be applied to ssd, we have more than most needs, unless you copy huge file every day.

I don't think I either insulted him or said anything bad to him, don't really understand all this touched nerve reaction (and as long as I don't say anything offensive I won't change my approach and speak my mind and don't care about overreaction)

All I am saying, I am neither pro nor cons, especially since without using it it is just feelings and not real world usage, I did not compare it to competition like he suggest (I don't even know why Microsoft has been brought in the conversation).

Yes prasiing a product without even trying it makes you sound like a commercial, as much as bashing it without even touching it makes you sound like a hater.

 

[PaulWog]

I take issue not with the speed of the Macbook Pro, but with the performance-to-price ratio.

The price shot up by a lot. I already thought the consumer was paying for the form-factor, the design, the quality, the occasional new tech improvements (force touch, and now touchbar)... AND the front-facing webcam is atrocious by 2016 standards.

 

[radus]

Microsoft is a primary manufacturer of competing devices

Regarding the MBP MS rather helps Apple - MS produces good Software for the Mac and Windows 10 Pro is running fine on Mac. Both Companies operate rather synergistic then competitive.