So far, we've only seen the low-spec 13" MBP, and even that looks like a fast and effective machine in its category (15W CPU, integrated graphics.) I predict that the new 13/15 MBP's w/ Touchbar end up being regarded as excellent pro machines. Fast CPU, midrange GPU, fast architecture, and the thing nobody's talking about is that this machine is an I/O monster. Four Thunderbolt 3 ports and crazy fast SSD should give the new MBP's a total I/O capability that leaves every other laptop (and most desktops and workstations) in the dust. All the upset about ports is a real and legitimate up-front hassle, but as far as I can tell without having a unit in hand, nobody's EVER made a laptop that can sustain this kind of throughput before. Obviously, I haven't had a chance to test this yet, but I predict that for most pro tasks, the new MBP's will be stomping fast and effective, and once people start getting them in their hands, most of the 'not for pros' conversation will just evaporate. I'd say the one big exception is for those doing large-scale 4K video editing and the like, where huge multi-gigabyte files and CPU-crushing loads are the norm. They probably really need a super-spec desktop or workstations, and will find even the highest-spec laptop underpowered. These are the people who legitimately do need 32 gigs of RAM and a high-end video card, and are willing to lug an 8-pound laptop as part of the tradeoff. They do exist, but a) they're a fairly narrow group, and b) Apple has been such a disaster in the Pro desktop space that the few I know personally all went to Windows 2+ years ago, where they could build 12-core desktops and triple high-end videocards, and are all lugging massive gaming laptops around.