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I still believe the 17 will be back and here is why:

Sorry it`s gone, had Apple planned to retain & upgrade the 17" it would still be in the line up, same as the 2012 non Retina 15"MBP. The 17" was a slow mover and never held the kudos of the Mac Pro, there is little more to it. Apple have always reduced and consolidated, and their focus will be firmly on the Retina machines.
 
Unless the MBP 17" users were road warriors, with the price of displays, they could have one at each site and hook it up... maybe that was what Apple was thinking. I have been using this setup for a while now, MBP 15" tooled up to NEC PA301w 30" display at work and take the laptop with me when I am on the road. Works really well for me. Of course, when on the road, I wish I had more real estate when I am working on it but I also wish it was lighter and smaller when I am carrying it around with my other gear so... I guess we just have to wait for MBP from year 2055 when it is built into our watch and it projects images onto out Raybans (simulating an IMAX screen)!!
 
Dangerous Theory said:
Let's be honest. If you've got a 17" laptop, you're not gonna moving around much with it.
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Why would you say that? My 17" MBP is lighter than the 15" laptop I took with me everywhere for many years.

People who need the performance and work area carry around large laptops all the time.
 
Dammit Cubs said:
sales of macbook 17 inch are 1%. Apple will not spend Millions on design just to satisfy 1%

Let me rephrase that:

NO COMPANY will spend millions on design just to satisfy 1% of customers.
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But it's 2% though.

Stetrain said:
They did exactly that with the early-2008 non-unibody 17" Macbook Pro when the late-2008 unibody 13" and 15" models were introduced.
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That wasn't such a drastic transitional period.

They weren't keeping the early-2008 unibody around in redundant 13 and 15 sizes.

As it stands now they have 3 sets of notebooks.

It is unprecedented.

Plus like someone previously said, the way they are doing it could be potentially the best way to get the 2K spending crowd over into a retina display ASAP.

NONE OF YOU KNOW FOR SURE. And also stop being so quick to doubt Bobby Corwen, have a little more trust. I have been on target so many times before.
 
I think Apple modified the manufacturing line for the 17" mbp to make new RMBPs. I don't think it's coming back.
 
Dangerous Theory said:
Let's be honest. If you've got a 17" laptop, you're not gonna moving around much with it.
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I carried mine between college classes for one year already, and next year I'm actually going to need it in class... yeah I am gonna be moving around with it.
 
Bobby Corwen said:
They only got rid of the 17 until they can come out with a retina version and There was no priority to make the 17 on the old line when they are trying to make it look obsolete.
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No sorry but I think that's just wishful thinking. They could have upgraded the 17" to ivy bridge w/o retina but they didn't. They chose to stop upgrading it, effectively killing it off

I'm hoping the public outcry from Pros who used it as a desktop replacement will be significant.
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There is more hue and cry over the lack of Mac Pro updates then the 17" I think the 17" MBP represented such a small percentage of sales that it did not make economic sense for apple to keep it in the line up
 
Bobby Corwen said:
Being forced into a junior computer sucks lol.

People talk about straining their backs carrying around a 17.

What about me having to strain my eyes on the 4th hour of editing a video on a tiny screen because not enough people buy 17s.

It accounted for 2% of sales, but that 2% was the most loyal fan base/
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The extra 2" of screen just never made that much of a difference. In terms of workable space it still felt as restricting as the 15", thus still requiring an external display for any kind of graphic or video work. In terms of eye strain, buy a 15" and slide it four inches closer to your face - the result will be the same.
 
I've had an Apple laptop since the days of the DUO 230, and found 'true love' with the 17" over the past few versions.

The 17" screen just 'fits' my work style and eyes right. All of you folks that tell me to "move on" or something like that are just not getting that - yes we hear we're only 1% - for me and many others, its the computer that does it best for us. Why should I NOT be UNHAPPY if Apple has truly discontinued the 17? If Apple discontinued the 15" I wouldn't be telling you," you could do the same with a 13", so why is it there is a 'tough' attitude about a model that some of us want and need?

And no, a 15" retina is not the same, and the size of a 17" is not a problem for me, its my desktop that moves around the house and in the car to another desktop.
 
the-wanderer said:
adding a 17" in LCD and expanding the body to accomodate it, would hardly cost millions, since apple essentially packs a high-end 15" mbp into the larger enclosure.
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Maybe it wouldn't cost millions but it wouldn't make them any money and more importantly, they chose not to do it. Even if you could prove it would make them millions, they are NOT doing it. They could make millions selling laptops with Windows preinstalled as the default operating system. But that's not a line of business they choose to be in.
 
elmarjazz said:
I've had an Apple laptop since the days of the DUO 230, and found 'true love' with the 17" over the past few versions.

The 17" screen just 'fits' my work style and eyes right. All of you folks that tell me to "move on" or something like that are just not getting that - yes we hear we're only 1% - for me and many others, its the computer that does it best for us. Why should I NOT be UNHAPPY if Apple has truly discontinued the 17? If Apple discontinued the 15" I wouldn't be telling you," you could do the same with a 13", so why is it there is a 'tough' attitude about a model that some of us want and need?

And no, a 15" retina is not the same, and the size of a 17" is not a problem for me, its my desktop that moves around the house and in the car to another desktop.
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Perfectly put, my sentiments exactly.

I think apple should just put out a text press release to say:
a) Expect an exciting development in the 17"
OR
b) The 17" is canceled but we have just introduced a new 15" retina screen.


If they are canceling the 17" I hope as others suggested that at some point apple shrink the black bezel on the 15.4" and make it a 16.4" screen in the same body. That would be the best of both worlds. I just measured it and the border is 5/8" so there is room for half an inch all round leaving a 1/8" border. Maybe in a couple of years? Pretty please apple?
 
It will never be back. Apple have already confirmed they have fired everyone who worked on it so even if they wanted to bring it back they couldn't.
 
whitedragon101 said:
b) The 17" is canceled but we have just introduced a new 15" retina screen.
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Removing one product from sale on the same day that new products are announced is the closest Apple comes to officially cancelling a product.

They aren't going to issues a press release saying "The 17" Macbook Pro will never return" because they want to keep their options open. If at some point in the future the technology or market makes a 17" MBP make sense for Apple, they might make one again.
 
elmarjazz said:
I've had an Apple laptop since the days of the DUO 230, and found 'true love' with the 17" over the past few versions.

The 17" screen just 'fits' my work style and eyes right. All of you folks that tell me to "move on" or something like that are just not getting that - yes we hear we're only 1% - for me and many others, its the computer that does it best for us. Why should I NOT be UNHAPPY if Apple has truly discontinued the 17? If Apple discontinued the 15" I wouldn't be telling you," you could do the same with a 13", so why is it there is a 'tough' attitude about a model that some of us want and need?

And no, a 15" retina is not the same, and the size of a 17" is not a problem for me, its my desktop that moves around the house and in the car to another desktop.
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You definitely have every right to be unhappy about Apple axing the 17" MacBook Pro. But the fact that the 15.4" MacBook Pro with Retina Display can comfortably display the same 1920x1200 workspace should ease the pain. That makes it a far different scenario than if Apple were to axe the 15" Macbook Pro and expect customers to move from a 1920x1200 workspace to one that's only 1280x800.
 
Puevlo said:
It will never be back. Apple have already confirmed they have fired everyone who worked on it so even if they wanted to bring it back they couldn't.
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Source?

Some posts by Puevlo:

Puevlo said:
French people are well known for their treachery. There is no way Apple would trust them with this inside information.
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Puevlo said:
It's likely that Apple are forcing the Macs to kernel panic whenever any Google software is being run. One way to ensure that nobody uses your competitor's products.
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Puevlo said:
Yes but you can use sulfuric acid to melt the epoxy and then install the CPU of your choice.
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racer1441 said:
the technical term I'm looking for to describe this is bull flop.
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How about 2% of users who actually used their MBPs for work ;) instead of just synching thier iphone, FB, movies and web surfing.

Thats a big productivity loss.....

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Puevlo said:
It will never be back. Apple have already confirmed they have fired everyone who worked on it so even if they wanted to bring it back they couldn't.
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Might be an hunch, but I doubt the 17" has their own R&D department, I would assume the engineers responsible for the other MBPs could multitask and handle the huge responsibility of adding another 2 inches to the 15".

And even if you end a product, why on earth would you fire the people you spent years training up? Its not like Apple is giving up on the Laptop business ;)
 
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