Here it goes. I have the problem solved, Johnny can thank me later. Just put modern components into this and then you would have the best laptop ever
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I think I found a way to fix all the problems with the current Mackbook Pros...
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Its funny that people who complain about Apple "only caring about the iPhone" are often also people who want to see their Mac business completely gone
Or haven’t got a clue what the competition looked like when that came out [clue. This was really thin in comparison]. I am pretty sure this is the PowerBook I had that had the dvd drive that bent like a banana..... the good old days.
Yeah it was the titanium PowerBook which I liked better than when the went aluminam. Yeah back then that was the thinnest laptop. Honestly I would be ok with that thickness again if they used it for a huge battery and made it more powerful with the extra room to work in especially with not having the cd drive in there. (which actually was awesome because it was a slot loading drive which was rare at the time
iMHO they should do 15s in that sort of form factor. If you want a 15" machine, you're likely using it as a portable desktop replacement and ultra portability isn't a concern.
The 13s.... i'm happy with the 2012-2015 13" retina form factor.
The 13s.... i'm happy with the 2012-2015 13" retina form factor.
Or the old MacBook Pro circa 2010 where you could change the DVD drive to a second HD.
My preference is the current machines as I prescribe to a powerful desktop and light notebook combination, due to experiencing the throttling cpu’s first hand and gave up after that (2010 / 2012 and 2014 mbp’s)
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I want a portable 15” thanks. I remember the old models well - they were too heavy.
I am pretty sure they could make it a lot lighter then it was back then. Honestly I never thought they were "Heavy" back then either. With a phone light weight makes sense but with a laptop it doesn't need to be super light. I'm fine with having a 4lb Laptop in that form factor if it was a beast with its specs and battery.
You could almost carry around a Mac mini at that point!
Making laptops smaller and lighter is a really good thing. 10 years ago I needed a 15" MBP to do any manageable video editing. It was honestly too large and heavy - because you're never just carrying around a laptop. You have a camera, or a book, or a folder, or a water bottle, etc.
Now, I can do everything I need on a 13" MBP. The footprint is small enough to use on a train tray table. It's light enough to throw into a bag without worrying too much (though I still envy people who can use the 12" MB as their main machine - that's like a feather).
I have a TiBook in my cupboard and just took it out to have a look. I hope Apple keep trying to make their laptops more portable, because then they are more useful. I really wouldn't want to have to carry this around any more. This current MBP form factor is really good - just fix the keyboard...
That's what I did with my 2011 macbook pro. Put in a 1TB drive for extra storage.
Here is the crazy thing though, they could take the macbook pro as it is now and just call it a macbook so you still have a thin profile and light computer and then have a macbook pro line that is thicker and larger with a lot more juice and a huge battery for the people who want that. Also as I said, There re numerous ways that they could keep the tibook dimensions and ditch a lot of the weight because components are smaller and lighter now, and no cd drive. Even when it comes to adding thickness it's only like 1/4 inch thicker so not really going to take up any bag space. A LOT of people still prefer 15 inch screens.
What i was trying to suggest in my earlier post is that the TI was super thin in its day. The current MBP are just another iteration of the same model Apple has done for years now.
I would suggest there is very little chance indeed that Apple will make a thicker laptop. A compromise of portability / speed / aesthetics has always been what the PowerBook / MacBookpros are. You need to look at the TI PB in context to understand nothing has changed at Apple. And of course this was under Jobs.
Apple no longer even tries to find a medium with those three things anymore. Portability and asthetic is all they really do now on all their products. The Macbook, Macbook Pro and MacBook Air have the exact same esthetics. Back in the day a Macbook was white, MacBook Pro Silver, Macbook Air, really thin and light weight. They have long move passed caring about anything but asthetics. They dont even care about portability anymore really. If they did you wouldn't be having to carry dongles, extra charger, an iPad and a Macbook just to get what I get out of my two in one. All they care about is "Pretty", Magical", Thinnest" now...
I totally disagree. It simply depends how you work, and I have found that ever since using Apple products [20 years now] you either adjust to their way of working or be frustrated. You havent adjusted would be my surmise. I don't use any dongles, nor have an extra charger but I do love my iPad Pro and Mac combo and wouldn't swap for a 2 in 1. But that is my choice and it all depends how you use the products. The iPad Pro works very well for me for what it is, and the apps I use are basically faultless, super smooth and instant on, always [I don't use it as a laptop replacement].
There is no denying that the Apple way is certainly more expensive, but I find the experience so much better.
As a qualifier, I have been using Windows also for about 25 years, have owned surface products, PC workstations, several PC laptops and many apple products. Not a single PC product I have owned makes me believe they were better than the Apple counterpart overall.
But really the thing I discovered was this. No laptop [even if the MBP was thicker] will be able to perform for me without the fans blasting away. I continue to read reviews across all windows and Mac platforms and all notebook reviews say mostly the same thing about fans and throttling. It is only when you get to the extremely large [and not exactly portable] notebooks will you get something similar to a desktop.
The MBP is a great desktop replacement for a lot of average users [in terms of power requirements].
In addition, Apple don't claim to be a computer manufacturer anymore. They are a digital consumer business, that makes its money from phones, iPads and services. Computers are a very low priority these days, so really what exactly are you expecting?
I expect not that much and am always surprised with what they release these days. 5 years ago I expected a lot and was always disappointed. Don't expect much from Apple in terms of their computing hardware as those days are gone, and they are certainly not out to compete with HP / Lenovo / Dell.
Apple provide you with a good all round computers to use their OS on and allow a sort of hub to your digital devices. They do not exist to make workstations / gaming laptops, but make thin, light ultra portables that perform how they want them to. Just not how you want them to.
It is all very complicated. I know I harp on this a lot on here, but it isn't all as clear cut and dry as you elude to. The usage patterns now are far more varied as computers have moved from the defacto computing device to a much more niche realm where mobile is the primary computing platform for the majority.
Apple has a very small lineup of computers compared to all of their competitors. Instead of trying to hit every niche directly on they fashion a compromise they see fit to cover the majority of the niches they care about and they deliver that. In addition, they are unwavering in their desire to ship the devices they want to ship even if that causes thrash for their consumers. My guess on why they feel OK to do this is that Apple users tend to own their devices for a long time and macOS isn't interchangeable with Windows. Either way, Apple has always done stuff to their computers that make the wider industry scratch their head until it the industry comes around to match. That being said, I see the USB C only path to be one of their best decisions in a long time in this regard.
Dongles seem like a curse and are often maligned by people here, but I'm convinced that Apple going so deep into USB C was leverage they used to force Intel to live up to its promise and make Thunderbolt royalty free (which we now see in the reality that it will be in USB4 due out this year). Dongles are only required as Apple was never able to make ThunderBolt or FireWire a standard device makers implemented even when it made sense for them. In a few years we won't see even Windows laptops shipping with legacy ports...
I mean Intel promised to release LightPeak (which is what became Thunderbolt) as a universal, royalty free, replacement for USB in 2009! They are just delivering on that promise in 2019...
https://www.anandtech.com/show/4194/intels-codename-lightpeak-launches-as-thunderbolt
My PC Desktop supports Thunderbolt 3 natively and can even do power delivery at 100W to charge my MBP. But when I purchased the board in 2016 it was a $500 board (just the board) and one of the RARE PC desktop boards to support Thunderbolt 3. Although Intel owns the TB3 spec they won't be integrating it into their processors until 2020.
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-Z170X-Gaming-G1-rev-10
If Intel had integrated TB3 into Intel CPUs in 2010 we would see USB C everywhere now and we wouldn't be using dongles... And for the first time Apple users would be on first class citizen status in the peripheral world and not forced to buy expensive niche products to realize Apple's dream of modular and portable computing without compromising. Thankfully, we'll be seeing this very soon.
Apple is always looking ahead and attempting to live up to their vision of thinking different. Doesn't mean everyone will agree with their vision...
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I agree with most of what you say, and a little of my posting is more satire going along with my my post. I have been with Apple since 2000 so and have normally agreed with them dropping support of a standard or idea and that's because they have normally had something worth while to back it up with so their was no hassle. Examples. Apple pushing Firewire which nobody used but had the iPod for a reason for it. Them pretty much being the first with WIFI because they had the airport and the aircard, no more CD drives, because they had the itunes store which was new and booming back then and go digital only etc... The problem is they pushed this standard whitout having something inticing to the consumers to back it up and honestly, the last 4 years for Apple have not been like they used to be becauase quite a few of their original consumer base is dropping Macs because of what they are doing and that never happened before. Yeah it might not matter because of how many people they have but for a good time period their was no one leaving Apple, only desperatly trying to get into to their ecosystem. Jobs said the switched from power pc proccessors to intel because he Knew people wanted a G5 in a laptop and IBM couldnt deliever. I know thats not the only reason but back then Apple actually listened. It's not that I dont agree with Apple's vision, it's more that I'm not sure they really have one anymore unless it is a way to get more money.
I fully understand you there, but I think the ball was dropped by Intel not Apple. I am sure Apple planned on Intel putting Thunderbolt into their PC chipset alongside USB (as the had previously disclosed) and Apple would see the entire industry moving toward USB C/Thunderbolt and not leaving them on an island. When that didn't happen they had no choice but to keep pushing it as hard as it was clear Intel was fine letting Thunderbolt languish even though it offers a TON for PC users as well...
Apple would be hurt more longterm being stuck purely with USB as it is...
eGPUs are just the start of what is coming now that TB3 has been folded into USB4.
From my perspective, Apple delivered for consumers by finally making the primary external connection for Apple users a first class citizen in the industry. That will pay off mightily for years to come.
