Apple doesn't design the ram controller in their Macs anymore, Intell/Nvidia does. In this case, it's Intell. And Intell says it's compatible ram and will work without a problem. A good choice to go with the topmost OEM and engineer than a website vendor. I wonder, do you only use the keyboard and mouse that came with your iMac out of fear of breaking said iMac due to lack of "guaranteed compatibility" with a third party USB keyboard/mouse even though nearly any USB keyboard/mouse made since 1998 will work without a problem and be within the USB Association's spec?
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I think my 27" Late 2013 memory is overheating :\
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Apple doesn't design the ram controller in their Macs anymore, Intell/Nvidia does. In this case, it's Intell. And Intell says it's compatible ram and will work without a problem. A good choice to go with the topmost OEM and engineer than a website vendor. I wonder, do you only use the keyboard and mouse that came with your iMac out of fear of breaking said iMac due to lack of "guaranteed compatibility" with a third party USB keyboard/mouse even though nearly any USB keyboard/mouse made since 1998 will work without a problem and be within the USB Association's spec?
A keyboard and Mouse is nothing like a Ram Module. If you know exactly how a ram module was made you would not have use that analogy. Your analogy is more like the using a Key to start you car.
Brand is irrelevant with Ram like you said since intel makes it, but the key to compatible ram is to pick one that is recommended by the manufacture. That way if their ram destroys your computer they are responsible for the replacement. If its not listed as compatible you SOL. I'm not here to start an argument my post was to make sure people didn't mistake this model ram as an "Approved Ram by Crucial" for our model.
If that ram shows up on the list a few months down the road then. The Hey those who purchased it will be happy. If you willing to spend 2k+ for a computer it only makes sense to choose upgrades based on an "Approved list"
If that ram is bad for the machine, then why does it show up in Intell's approved/compatible listing? I know very well how USB keyboards and mice are made. They're quite different then a car key. Car keys are unique to that car, whereas USB keyboards and mice are not and can be used with almost any USB host device. It would appear that your analogy was the poorer of the two. Unless you are suggesting that the ram that comes with an iMac is unique to that iMac and only Apple ram can be used to replace it, a ridiculous notion. You can pull any 1.35v DDR3-1600 CL11 SODIMM module from any cheapo Dell/HP box and it'll work without a problem because of how Intell designed the controller. Oh the horror if it isn't in the Crucial list of compatible modules. What is so authoritative about that list over Intell's?
looks like a part number mismatch like this http://forums.crucial.com/t5/Apple-...lity-question/m-p/126020/highlight/true#M1746
i've mailed crucial to see if CT2K8G3S160BM and CT4949518 are the same.
i've mailed crucial to see if CT2K8G3S160BM and CT4949518 are the same.
First off, Show me that this ram CT2C8G3S160BM is the ram is on Intel's comparability list Specific to October 2013 Haswell models only. Not Ivy Bridge models. I want to see that part number as compatible. I doubt you'll be able to prove that.
Second my Analogy wasn't an attempt and bettering your analogy my analogy was showing you how off yours was by comparing it to a keyboard. Obviously you got it since you thought my key analogy was terrible, thats the same as your keyboard analogy. You were comparing ram to a keyboard. I compared a key to your keyboard analogy. I was comparing it to how off your Analogy was by saying that a key to a car is the same as a keyboard to a computer. The both are needed to utilize the device they input. They key allows you access to the engine and the keyboard allows you access to the motherboard, gpu and ram of the computer.
The ram module is nothing like a keyboard, or a key. Its an equal part in the motherboard that it needs to be abel to run. If your going to run ram that is not on the crucial compatibility list you might as well run china's cheap ram and install that and hope for the best.
If i was going to compare Apple to a car i would use a Bmw. Apple is the premium car, vs the cheap Civic. You can buy cheap copy cat replacement parts, but unless Bmw approved those parts they are not covered in the warranty. If anything else breaks on your car that is caused, linked or directly related to the part you replaced then expect it to not be covered. This is how warranty works. This is my argument, your argument is obviously talking about how it works in the computer and thats all that matters.
My whole argument is about using ram on an approved list to keep your warranty. I never said that the ram doesn't work, all i said was that I wouldn't run it and I'm sure 99% of others on these forums wouldn't stick ram that is not approved list for our 3k computer. If your computer fails because you stuck non-approved china off-brand ram into your computer that was not designed 100% specifically for it Apple will not cover you, nor will crucial if it was 100% directly related to the crucial ram. If you want to cheap out on ram that is not on the approved list why the F are you buying a 2-3k apple computer. Buy a hackintosh or make one instead.
Lets also not forget that all of the computers hardware Id's get recorded on your apple id. Its how they link your computer with your warranty service. Its records your whole computer, its not specifically looking at one thing its how they determine what your computer has and compares it to what you bought to determine what parts are eligible for replacement under-warranty. If the motherboard failed and they determined it to fail because of your ram. You'll be paying for a replacement motherboard.
People who spend 2-3k wont cheap out for $40 just to get ram that is not on an approved list. You are obviously the exception. Get what you want, but this argument is not about wether it works or not its about keeping your warranty intact and being able to go after (crucial) for compensation if the ram directly destroyed your computer. Apple would decline coverage and tell you exactly why, you take that information to crucial and they'll pay for a replacement since they approved it for the computer. They are responsible for all ram on their comparability list.
iMac 3.4GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7 (27-inch, Late 2012) is the CT3650282 part number thats listed in that thread.
Dont you mean CT4951624 for the late 2013 Imac?
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We'll the only way to know if the CT2C8G3S160BM ram is actually the problem you'd have to buy it and stress test it the same way the op did. 99% of people who buy ram stick it in and never stress test it. You could go years with it working just fine because you never maxed it out, but when you max it out and find a problem you'll just replace your ram a year from now thinking it went defective instead of it being incompatible. Then again it could have been defective from the day you brought it home.
This is why its good to stress test new parts. The Op was smart for doing so, and most of the people who run their computer at extreme levels do this. If your just doing basics, like internet, movies ect... 8gb will be plenty. You only need more for photoshop, video editing, gaming or anything else that demands high amounts of ram.
This ram is for the 2012-early 2013 models. Apple changed the motherboard to haswell on the late 2013 models so its not the same. Which is why crucial has a new part number for it. This ram may work perfectly fine in the 2013 computers and the op just got unlucky and with defective one set, or its because its not compatible.
I don't. It's the same spec ram. See the post from crucial, they often rebadge things. Soon a they reply I'll let you know which will put a lot of arguments to rest here on the 'compatibly vs unlucky with ram sticks' debate
You really think Intell keeps a list of every single compatible ram part number for every single manufacturer on file? Show me where Intell or Apple states that ram isn't compatible. Not a vendor, an OEM. That ram is 1.35v DDR3-1600. Intell's specs for Haswell states it is compatible with that as well as a few other types. Even the cheap Chinese ram will work without a problem. It even rolls off of the exact same assembly line as the fancy Crucial stuff, it just lacks the fancy sticker. I'm still wondering why you're so set on following a simple web vendor's list instead of the OEM's list. When buying an air filter for you fictitious BMW or your actual Honda, do you only buy what NAPA shows as being compatible even if the car's manufacture specifies that another is fully compatible but not on NAPA's list? Why go with NAPA instead of BMW or Honda? How is NAPA more authoritative?
I was more concerned about mixing the two types. The 8gb is whatever Apple installed on new iMac and the 16gb is the G.Skill I was running in my 2011 MBP.
Quit with your analogies I already said the argument is about the DAM WARRANTY Not whether or not it works! Jesus. Did you even read my post before replying Again???
You also kept saying that it was on the compatibility list, yet you cant provide it. I knew you couldn't, all you have is a basic list for intel products, not specific approved model numbers, but your also forgetting that intel custom makes everything for apple, they do not use retail products (other than the processor i think). At least they didn't years ago.
If you want stick Ram in your computer that isn't listed as compatible with Crucial then so be it. I'll stick to ram that is on their list compatibility that way if the ram screws up my $3000 Macbook I'll be getting it fixed unlike those who decided on ram that isn't listed as "Approved"
Your analogy again is with whether it works or not. BMW would NOT Warranty your car if you stuck oil in your car that is not "Approved" by them. Thats why Castrol, Mobile, and Royal Purple all list on their bottles that they are Approved and meet All German Standards. If the oil ever caused the engine to fail and you could prove it those oil companies would happily pay for you car, but if you stuck the wrong viscosity. They will laugh in your face and said fix it yourself, just like Apple and Crucial will do if you stick non Approved ram in you Imac.
Again, Do as you so Wish! because my argument was never about wether it Works or not! Its about Keeping your Warranty. How hard was that to comprehend??? Man...
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Ohh. I just looked up that model number CT4949518 and its listed for the EU Imacs. Since we run on different power supplies that could be an issue, but im not sure the mechanics of how it all works so it could work just fine. The us and eu ram might be interchangeable, but you'll know once you get a reply from them.
If you get the approval and use the ram Keep that E-mail. It'll be the only thing that will protect you if the crucial ram messes up your Mac and apple wont fix.
Apple doesn't care if the ram is stock or where it's from for warranty work. As long as the ram is considered a user replaceable part, it could be from Kingston, Crucial, Samsung, or Hynix. They don't care. They don't have a list of approved ram or unapproved ram. They themselves have used the cheapo Chinese ram in their machines, still after opening thousands of Mac I have yet to see stock ram that is made by Crucial. You're noncomprehending my post about the air filters, there is one not on NAPA's list, but on BWM's approved list. Would you still not but that one because it isn't on NAPA's list?
The different power hertz and volts is only a problem for external applications. Internally, the iMac's are the exact same. They even have the same power supply. Thus, that isn't the reason. You could buy an iMac in New York, fly it across the Atlantic and it'll work without a problem or fuss with no loss of warranty in London. Even the Apple Stores in London would work on it without a second thought.
I don't give a dam about what brand ram apple uses. It doesn't matter because they picked it and will honor their warranty if it breaks. If your Aftermaket" User choice" ram Screws up the imac and is not on an "approved list for the Imac" it wont be covered. That a FACT.
If you buy ram from Kingston, Samsung, or even a no name brand from China the fact remains that unless its On the Manufactures List of Approved Ram Model Numbers for your Year IMAC "from what ever company you choose" and that Ram Happens to Destroys your Imac you wont be covered. If that exact part number is on the approved list and the ram Faulted and destroyed your IMAC the company you bought your ram from is obligated to FIX your computer if apple refuses to.
I worked in computer repair dealing with Warranty related parts years ago and I can tell you that the people who that don't listen to the rules or read the DAM fine-print of their warranty would be the ones to create a huge fuss when their expensive computer broke only to get denied warranty service and have to pay for return shipping without it being fixed. I was one of those employees that enjoyed my job and specifically look up each part number to confirm if it wasn't on the list of approved items. Then when diagnosing the computer if that aftermarket part was malfunctioned and cause something else to break I denied the warranty. I was not one of those I don't give a dam employee's. I was one of those, Do your research and don't expect the manufacture to fix your screw up type of employee. I had alot of people call and complain and not once did those people get their computers fixed. If you don't do you own research and do diligence well then, Its your fault. Plain and simple. Although my knowledge was limited on most components we worked with a team of people who collaborated and exchanged information to find out the true cause of most failures. Most were simple hard drives ect... but when circuits on a board get fried that when it gets complicated.
Where is this mythical list of approved ram for Apple computers that I keep hearing so much about? I'm unable to find anything, either public or otherwise.
The list is on Every Manufacture that sells ram for Imacs. I'm not talking about Apple keeping this list, I'm talking about the manufactures of the ram like Crucial. Crucial list is on their website and the only approved one is this one
This is no Myth, if apple figured out that the ram malfunctioned/sparked or overheated and it also caused the motherboard to fail, apple employee's will look up the model number of the ram on crucial website to see if its their compatible list and decide what to do from their. If its not on the list and its stated compatibility is with the 2012 model and not the 2013 model the warranty service stops right their and it gets shipped back to you. Then it becomes User Error and your 100% responsible for all damage caused by your mistake.
http://www.crucial.com/store/mpartspecs.aspx?mtbpoid=81CE351CA5CA7304
Apple doesn't look at vendors' lists, nor do they use them for warranty honoring. Their employees don't care and have been instructed to not dishonor the warranty because of "non-approved" or third party ram as long as the ram is listed as "user replaceable" for the machine. It's only after they've gone through Apple's service manual check lists will they question the ram. When the ram is in question, they will run memory checks on it. If it fails with the third party ram, they'll swap out stock test ram and retest. If it passes, the machine is given back to the owner with the third party ram inside and told that the ram is causing problems. The owner can then replace the ram themselves or have Apple replace it with stock ram at a cost. Because the OP's machine is a 27" iMac, Apple lists the ram as being "user replaceable" and the question of warranty is rather null because of Apple's predefined rules for this situation. Now if the OP's iMac was a 21" model, any changes to the ram would void the warranty. Even if it was from Apple's nonexistent approved list of ram vendors because it isn't listed as a "user replaceable" part.
God, you keep arguing your same point over and over when I'm not even arguing that. I have repeated the same thing over and over and I'm done trying to get you to understand.
I'm not talking about RAM ONLY ISSUES. I'm talking about a Ram module overheating and Destroying your Main Motherboard! This can happen if you use the wrong Ram. Although Rare, it still can happen which is why buying the correct ram the first time saves your ass. As i said before, if the crucial Ram Destroys something else in the Mac Apple will Not fix it. Instead they will tell you to seek compensation from Crucial which is exactly what you would do. Crucial would never give compensation to a user who didn't run the correct Model # ram that they recommend, that is a given. I've repeated my-self over and over yet you just cant comprehend it. Apple will Diagnose any computer whether its modified or not and fix all parts that have malfunctioned under normal conditions. If they find that the ram destroyed other parts in the computer they wont cover it. If a Ram moduel over heats, or surges and takes something out with it Apple is not responsible for replacing that parts that get taken out with it.
This is the same concept of a surge protector. If you don't have one and have a huge surge run though your own and you try to Warranty it out they will diagnose it and once they see it was because a surge of power they will send it back Un-repaired or repair it at your cost. You would then have to seek compensation from your power company, but that's not possible since the contract you sign releases liability with them on anything connected to an electrical outlet. That is why its Highly recommended by All Computer companies, Tv manufactures ect to use a Surge Protector at the Bare Minimum. You really should be using a power conditioner like this Especially on a 2-3k Imac! I'm done arguing or trying to explain it to you. You run what ever you want. I'll run only hardware that is on the approved list for the new 2013 haswell models to save me $$ down the road if something bad happens. Crucial could also deny you a warranty replacement if you used it in a computer they did not create it for.
http://www.amazon.com/Monster-MP-HT...7577&sr=8-3&keywords=power+conditioner+backup
Or with battery backup
http://www.amazon.com/APC-J25B-8-Ou...7591&sr=8-1&keywords=power+conditioner+backup
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Any ram, either the ultra fancy "approved" kind or the cheap kind can cause a logicboard to overheat in the same frequency of cases. There's nothing different about the two of them. They roll of the same lines in China/Taiwan/where-ever. Going down Apple's service manual, they would fix the machine if the ram causes problems due to how the diagnose and replace workflow is organized. The tech would see a non-boot state, deduce from the working parts a logicboard failure and replace it. The third party ram may or may not be included when the replaced machine is given back to the owner. That mostly depends on if Apple has ram readily available to put in that machine or if the tech notices it's not OEM. I know very well how Apple deals with these things having be taught how to do them by Apple themselves. This is the same cause with a power surge. Apple would diagnose the power supply as faulty and replace it without question. That's how Apple works, the techs have little say beyond the prepared scripts.
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Everything you have said in this thread just got thrown right out the window. Any intelligence you might have seemed like you had is gone. Where the hell did you get your education at? The Moon? You seriously think that Apple would cover Surges and faulty hardware that you installed you as far mistaken.
You really need to learn to read the terms and conditions of things you buy
Limitations. The Plan does not cover:
(i) Installation, removal or disposal of the Covered Equipment, or installation, removal, repair, or maintenance of non-Covered
Equipment (including accessories, attachments, or other devices such as
external modems) or electrical service external to
the Covered Equipment;
(ii) Damage to the Covered Equipment caused by accident, abuse, neglect, misuse (including faulty installation, repair, or
maintenance by anyone other than Apple or an Apple Authorized Service Provider), unauthorized modification, extreme
environment (including extreme temperature or humidity), extreme physical or electrical stress or interference, fluctuation
or surges of electrical power, lightning, static electricity, fire, acts of God or other external causes;
(iii) Covered Equipment with a serial number that has been altered, defaced or removed;
(iv) Problems caused by a device that is not the Covered Equipment, including equipment that is not Apple-branded, whether or
not purchased at the same time as the Covered Equipment;
Here, get your learning on because you need it. Their is a whole lot more Important information in regards to everything you need to know in here.
http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/APPTermsConditions.pdf
Everything you have said in this thread just got thrown right out the window. Any intelligence you might have seemed like you had is gone. Where the hell did you get your education at? The Moon? You seriously think that Apple would cover Surges and faulty hardware that you installed you as far mistaken.
You really need to learn to read the terms and conditions of things you buy
Limitations. The Plan does not cover:
(i) Installation, removal or disposal of the Covered Equipment, or installation, removal, repair, or maintenance of non-Covered
Equipment (including accessories, attachments, or other devices such as
external modems) or electrical service external to
the Covered Equipment;
(ii) Damage to the Covered Equipment caused by accident, abuse, neglect, misuse (including faulty installation, repair, or
maintenance by anyone other than Apple or an Apple Authorized Service Provider), unauthorized modification, extreme
environment (including extreme temperature or humidity), extreme physical or electrical stress or interference, fluctuation
or surges of electrical power, lightning, static electricity, fire, acts of God or other external causes;
Here, get your learning on because you need it. Their is a whole lot more Important information in regards to everything you need to know in here.
http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/APPTermsConditions.pdf
Funny how you quote that, yet I've had a whole room of iMacs' power supplies replaced that got surged through by Apple under warranty work. As long as the interior visually looks correct and there's no smell, they'll replace it. Of course it wasn't all done at once, but slowly over a few months across various stores. I guess them being G5 iMacs helped some as well. Also most of those iMac's had third party ram in them if I recall correctly. Most definitely the cheap stuff because that place was skimpy on the IT budget.
Very true. I'm currently using Crucial in my new late-2013 iMac but I used different companies in my Macbook Pro. As long as you use correct specs you should be fine.
However I do understand why most people use Crucial / OWC as they have most sales, thus most reviews users can use to check compability.
I have to agree with Intell on this one. I have followed the rant and the rave in this thread with some amusement.
If one were going to use an analogy it would be similar to a digital camera and a memory card. As long as the memory card was of the correct type and conformed to the read/write requirements of the hardware then the manufacturer would not matter a jot.
In order for memory to be compatible it needs to be the correct size and shape, have the correct pin assignment and have the pre required addressable memory slots. As people have rightly pointed out, even the speed of the RAM can be varied (though I wouldn't personally do this).
Buying cheap Chinese RAM is more about the quality of components, materials and dubious rigidity in standards of manufacture.
I would buy quality RAM from Crucial, Kingston, OWC, Patriot etc and all this waffle about lists is bunk. Apple would have no choice in honouring their warranty because nowhere do they specify what manufacturer you MUST stick to.
If one were going to use an analogy it would be similar to a digital camera and a memory card. As long as the memory card was of the correct type and conformed to the read/write requirements of the hardware then the manufacturer would not matter a jot.
In order for memory to be compatible it needs to be the correct size and shape, have the correct pin assignment and have the pre required addressable memory slots. As people have rightly pointed out, even the speed of the RAM can be varied (though I wouldn't personally do this).
Buying cheap Chinese RAM is more about the quality of components, materials and dubious rigidity in standards of manufacture.
I would buy quality RAM from Crucial, Kingston, OWC, Patriot etc and all this waffle about lists is bunk. Apple would have no choice in honouring their warranty because nowhere do they specify what manufacturer you MUST stick to.