I took a trip in Microsoft Hell today...

Discussion in 'Web Design and Development' started by joelovesapple, Jun 5, 2007.

  1. joelovesapple macrumors 6502a

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    ....And I'm very shaken up so please be calm with me...:eek:


    I started doing a web design course and they were using FrontPage:eek: . It was foul. Now I have no idea how to design a webpage but it was really hard to use and I've heard bad things about it. Also I hate how it did it in 800 x 600 and could only be previewed in IE6.:eek: .

    Anyone got comments?


    I almost had a heart-attack.:(
     
  2. epochblue macrumors 68000

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    Drop the class. Seriously. Any web design class that is going to pawn off FrontPage as The Way to design web sites isn't a web design class at all; it's an abomination.
     
  3. dswoodley macrumors 6502a

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    tell your class instructor "Welcome to the 21st Century!!!!" :eek:

    I can't remember the last time Front Page was considered a first choice tool for web work.
     
  4. elppa macrumors 68040

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    Get a refund.

    It's not used by any professional designer/developer worth their salt.
     
  5. 4God macrumors 68020

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  6. snickelfritz macrumors 65816

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    Seriously, why would you need to take a web design course that teaches a simple outdated WYSIWYG like Frontpage? (you could teach yourself this program in a weekend)
    I would expect to be taught advanced html, javascript, actionscript, ajax, etc...
    As well as basic design concepts, and the use of Photoshop to create graphics.

    Personally, I would drop the course and ask for a full refund.
    I would also admonish the school administrator for wasting my time.

    GL
     
  7. Roric macrumors regular

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    FrontPage was last part of the MS Office 2003 family of offerings. It has been dropped and the functionality it provided has been rolled into Publisher 2007.

    They are teaching a software that is outdated, discontinued, and entirely wrong for all but the simplest of sites.
     
  8. geese macrumors 6502a

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    Yes. Tell them to shove their FP of their arse.

    I had to edit intranet pages for 2 long years with FP. I hate it had slayed my wife.

    WYSIWYG isn't really used effectivly for web design anymore. You're better off going to the w3c schools site and learning HTML and CSS there. Its free an all.
     
  9. elppa macrumors 68040

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    But it aint much good for those either.
     
  10. Bern macrumors 68000

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    If you're being taught Frontpage as a web design course then you're being screwed. Obviously this teacher knows nothing about web design. You must get a refund!
     
  11. iToaster macrumors 68000

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    Ah FrontPage... I hate it. I made the most hideous website in there once. It took for ever and I came many a day after school to make sure that abomination created my "website" accurately... Oh, if only schools would use Macs... get out of that class a fast as you can.
     
  12. Mac-Addict macrumors 65816

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    Ugh I remember frontpage, its what I caught myself HTML with... and I suck at HTML, So I took a child's web devolpment class (I am 13 :p) And even then it was Dreamweaver!
     
  13. Anonymous Freak macrumors 601

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    "Microsoft Hell"? Is that a new product? :-D

    Or did you mean the "hell" that Microsofties go to when they die? That would be a place run by Linux computers, where every desktop is a Mac with NeoOffice installed.
     
  14. ezekielrage_99 macrumors 68040

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    LOL.... Frontpage, welcome to web site design of 1998 :D
     
  15. joelovesapple thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Thanks for the comments, guys! They really made me laugh:D .

    Its a free course but I could do spreadsheets too.... on wonderful Microturd Spreadshit 2000 TM if I wanted.


    I don't think I shall be making a return there any time soon, 'but there aren't Macs everywhere' is the Mothers' arguement.:(
     
  16. tominated macrumors 68000

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    No, that's one that comes with every microsoft product... hidden...
     
  17. thejadedmonkey macrumors 604

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    A few years ago I took a web design class in high school. My teacher spend about 10 minutes explaining front page to the class, just because it's a "tool of the trade" and then told us never to use it unless we had to. She made us learn the HTML though, and CSS, so it was a good class IMHO.
     
  18. tomoisyourgod macrumors regular

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    I learnt basics of HTML in the good 'al fashion way.

    A simple text editor. :)
     
  19. SC68Cal macrumors 68000

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    And that's how your supposed to start out!

    Ugh. My friend had a professor that FORCED everyone to use frontpage. She refused to do so, hand coded her project and just spoofed the creator tag.
     
  20. tominated macrumors 68000

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    damn! thats smart.
     
  21. Jopling macrumors 6502

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    I dont think it is necessarily bad to teach on. Everyone has used the microsoft apps and they share similiar interfaces. I'm sure the teacher is using the program so students can can familiarize themselves with the different terminologies and functions of webdesign so when the do move up to a more practical program, they wont have as much difficulty.
     
  22. elppa macrumors 68040

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    No, it will teach them bad habits and generate horrible code which is no use to anyone. Couldn't disagree more.
     
  23. Sdashiki macrumors 68040

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    Quick glance thru the TV today:

    Judging Amy....and the main character's (ready for the shocker, her name is Amy) daughter, who is about 10, says:

    "We're learning to make a web page in class..."

    and this works for this thread...

    cuz it shows that people dont learn the actual substance, just a tool.

    This class should be called "How to use Front-Page", because its what it really is. Trying to bill it as Web Design is a complete and utter bastardization of the word(s).

    I dont know, maybe its snooty, but if someone says they did their site in a WYSIWYG program, I instantly lose alot of respect for the site. Granted, hand coding has its place, and WYSIWYG has its own, but not knowing what your app even does, is kind of silly.
     
  24. astrostu macrumors 6502

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    Yeah, FrontPage inserts what I've trademarked as "CrapCode" all over the pages it creates. It's a disgusting program that should be hunted and shot at with extreme prejudice.
     
  25. Metatron macrumors 6502

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    Now bear with me on this...but it is not total hell. It is an easy program to learn and that is how I learned HTML. Though that program puts way to much HTML code in a page...it is an okay program for someone new to HTML or web design, though I would recommend somthing a little more updated as FrontPage is dead...

    SharePoint Designer and Web Expressions are a MUCH better product than FrontPage...
     

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