I Use an iPhone for 99% of My Internet/App Needs... MacBook Pro Still Worth It in the Era of iOS?

Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by MICHAELSD, Oct 29, 2016.

  1. MICHAELSD macrumors 68040

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    Admittedly I use an iPhone for 99% of my computer usage. My very capable Retina MacBook Pro sits dormant the majority of the time unless I absolutely need to use it. When I do need to use it, it's for a pro app like Photoshop or to make website development easier. Otherwise my iPhone handles my computer needs well enough that I sold my iPad years ago after it became a dormant device made redundant by having an iPhone and a Mac in my own usage.

    In 2008 when I had my first MacBook Pro the computer was a dream. In 2012, I very much wanted a Retina Display and upgraded promptly. Now, it's become tossed to the side as I can happily use my iPhone to do most of what I would do on a rMBP... and more. I've realized I really do only use my rMBP when I need to. Otherwise I prefer the experience of doing most things, even typing as I've grown accustom to it over the years, on the iPhone.

    I was looking forward to a new MacBook Pro, but now that the iPhone is so capable and enjoyable to use, for a device that is only used when I can't accomplish a task on the iPhone I'm not sure Apple has done enough to make me excited about the MacBook Pro again.

    Based on the neglect to the rest of the Mac line I think Apple is focusing on iOS and the iPad Pro may be its ultimate prosumer tool once it gets full-blown versions of apps like Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, Photoshop, etc.
     
  2. AdonisSMU macrumors 603

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    just use what you have. I use all three of my devices but for different things. Sure there is some overlap but each one does something that the other one can't do.
     
  3. Ghost31 macrumors 68000

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    Jobs himself said "pc's will be like trucks". He foresaw this happening and its the truth of current times. The "post pc era" wasnt just ipads, it was everybody having an extremely capable cell phone in their hands that they use more than any other device in their life.

    I have a 7 plus...it does EVERYTHING i want. I also have an ipad pro when i want a larger experience. A macbook? Totally useless to me. I'm getting into programming and stuff for work, but for that i can just use a cheapo pc. For common everyday needs, the phone does everything you will most likely need.

    I say stick with the phone.
     
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    1% chance of using for $1500-$1800? Uh. no. Just save your money and buy another iPhone year after year.
     
  5. AdonisSMU macrumors 603

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    Actually you need a mac if you are getting into programming for work. Linux isn't stable enough and other Windows based PCs just don't even begin to cut it unless you are developing in C#.
     
  6. Ghost31 macrumors 68000

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    Most of the world develops with windows laptops in multiple languages
     
  7. AdonisSMU macrumors 603

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    Just consider yourself warned.
     
  8. MICHAELSD thread starter macrumors 68040

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    The one usage I'm not sure I could accomplish as well on an iPhone is something more complex like building a web-site from scratch, so when I undergo a task like that I do like having the experience be as comfortable as possible -- which is why I still have my 15" rMBP and would consider sidegrading to a new-gen 13" rMBP for additional portability and to save some money over the 15" option. Otherwise I would buy an iPad Pro if I was confident in its ability.

    The reason I haven't bought an iPad Pro yet is because I want the device to work around my usage effortlessly, without limiting myself to using expensive apps that still don't provide the full functionality of what I can do on a Mac.
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    I want an iPad Pro to replace my MacBook Pro, but I need to feel confident it's really PRO-grade and can do everything I can do on a Mac as well or better. Ridiculous how Apple is marketing it as a pro device and hasn't released their pro apps for it.
     
  9. AdonisSMU macrumors 603

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    I'd rather Apple release when they are ready then rush out product. We know the iPad Pro is capable of more. However, Apple has to make sure they get it right for some of the other use cases that might make an iPad a pro device.
     
  10. Ghost31 macrumors 68000

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    I feel ya on that Bro. I was absolutely shocked at the last WWDC when they unveiled ios 10 and there weren't any ipad specific features. Like none. After all this talk about how powerful the ipad pro is and how it can replace your laptop.. Nope. Just 'here's emoji's that are even bigger! '

    BUT...for all my needs the ipad pro does just fine. Really depends. Alot of people i've met thought they could never survive with just an ipad, then they tried it just because and found that they could. SO who knows?
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    Lol ok. Im warned. And a little tickled...but thats for different reasons.

    This is purely anecdotal, but at programming meet ups i see MOSTLY windows laptops. When i walk into the offices of web developers, they MOSTLY have windows desktops. When i talk to people i know about whatever project they're working on in python or whatever, its always windows. And there are things like .net

    So i dont know man. I guess some more people need to be warned too
     
  11. SHOaks macrumors member

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    Sounds like you don't need to spend that much on a pro. The regular MacBook might be better for you
     
  12. MICHAELSD thread starter macrumors 68040

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    I hate to say it but I think Microsoft has the right idea but a lacking execution with the Windows laptops that have a detachable touchscreen. I'd rather have a detachable touchscreen MacBook Pro with a keyboard dock over a touch bar. Or heck, a touchscreen with a touch bar interface built into the bottom of the display.

    I think my ideal device is a bezelless, extremely light iPad Pro with a real keyboard dock and every major pro app.
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    I only really need pro apps/tools I can't get on an iPhone. The MacBook is an expensive internet browser honestly. MacBook would go unused while MacBook Pro would still be used as rarely needed.
     
  13. AdonisSMU macrumors 603

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    When I go to Python meetups its the Windows folks taking up everyone's time trying to troubleshoot their basic Python set up questions.
     
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    I think the apple reality distortion is wearing off on me. Like a spell that was cast on me years ago. I'm seeing things differently with Apple for the past year.

    Especially ever since the Surface Pro 4 keynote last year. I remembered something Panoy said during the keynote that really stuck out to me and i'll never forget it. He was talking about how the pro was such a good tool to get the job done that he used a surface pro to design and MAKE a surface pro. That...you couldn't do that on an ipad. And i love my iPad pro. Typing on it right now from the type cover...but i mean come on. Microsoft is really stepping it up. And i used to have a real hatred for them and how dull I thought they were.

    Right now i get a new ipad every year or so and a new macbook. What if i could consolidate those devices into one with a surface? Or even a surface book? I would save money. I would have everything in one device and less things to manage. I would be able to use it uncompromisingly as a real computer without having to worry about this or that. I'd be able to be mobile with it but when i take it home, plug it into their dock and have even more ports and it hooked up to a large display, making it feel like a desktop when at home.

    I dont know...i got some thinking to do in 2017. Maybe when the surface pro 5 keynote happens, i'll give it a try. Who knows. Maybe there's an entire world of computing in windows i've ignored for a long time that it turns out, i would have really liked alot but i always stubbornly stuck to ios?
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    This made me laugh harder thani should have. Thanks. I might have just sharted
     
  15. MICHAELSD thread starter macrumors 68040

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    The hardware on many high-end Windows computers is fine, but Windows is still bloated and many apps are better on Mac. I'm willing to stick to Apple hardware to stick with Apple's superior software and ecosystem but there isn't really a machine that does what I want in a computer.

    Ideally, I'd be happy with an iPad Pro that can dual-boot iOS and Mac OS but that's extremely unlikely.
     
  16. Ghost31 macrumors 68000

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    THAT WOULD BE ORGASMIC. But we know with some certainty apple wont do anything close to that. They're long game is slowly updating the ipad to be more pc-like...but thats...gonna be a long freaking time dude. Last wwdc didnt get any ipad updates. So its gonna be awhile before we see a real commitment to making ipad a fully functioning laptop replacement.

    I'm willing to give windows a try again. The negative perception i've had of windows for so long is an old one. I loaded up windows 10 on an old laptop from 2008 and it ran like new. That says alot. And we can say at this point that microsoft is REALLY putting up an effort to make it better, so i have confidence that if i got a windows laptop and had some issues, over time they would be worked out.

    Wouldnt it be cool to have a crystal ball we could look into and see what the tech market looks like 10 years from now? What if we saw that apple had a touchscreen laptop when they said they never would? I would have a visceral reaction to that...even more so than apple saying they would never make a bigger phone than the original and here i am with a 7 plus.
     
  17. MICHAELSD thread starter macrumors 68040

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    The iPad Pro is their touchscreen laptop.
     
  18. Ghost31 macrumors 68000

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    Tim Cook "and the new laptop lineup starting at $300!"
    • ipad mini
    • Ipad pro
    • Ipad pro
    • Ipad pro pro pro pro pro
    • Macbook without touch bar
    • Macbook WITH touchbar
    • Larger macbook with touchbar
    "We think you're gonna love it. Now stop asking us to update stuff. Its getting annoying and we're trying to pretend we're working on a car while messing around the office"
     
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    I don't agree but you have the right to your own opinion since everyone computes differently.

    iOS v OSX / Smartphone v Computer

    Back in 2011, my '15 Sony VAIO wouldn't turn on for months. Then it miraculously turned on by 2012 and was able to use it another year before the motherboard got fried. So nearly a year, I didn't have a laptop. Then I got an old VAIO since my brother switched to MBP i7. I eventually sold it for a smartphone. So for nearly I didn't own a laptop again. Trust me, it gets annoying without one.

    Does have iOS have OTG? No. Unlike OSX, iOS can't even drag and drop. It is one of the most useless operating systems ever to do even the most simple tasks like recognize usb drives and transferring files. The OTG on Android is half-*** and corrupted my files trying to transfer between them. I have multiple thumb drives that need to be recognized. Most smartphones are losing OTG anyway. I also needed to go to internet cafes to print out resumés or use Microsoft Word. After a time without any desktop computer, you realize the limitations of smartphones can do. Yes, I used my smartphone to do 90% of things. But it is that 10% that it can't do that is critical to everyday work life.

    When I want to connect a phone to a computer, I want the phone to be recognized so I can scour to the folder system. But iOS offers none of you that except the ability to see your camera roll. I don't use iCloud (TheFappening, anyone?). I hate using iTunes to do simple tasks like a delete a photo album. I get it. I am probably a bigger smartphone fan than most people are with their iPhones. But since getting the Air nine days ago, I rarely touched any of my phones except when I go to the bathroom to take a #2. I rarely check GSM Arena and even smartphone threads here. I check mostly MacBook threads now and curious about Apple's computer history. When I see news for the Galaxy S8 or whatever, I just shrug it off. Why? Because a laptop can last and remain relevant longer. A better phone will beat that S8 within six months. An iPhone 8 design might wow us next year but I know Apple will reuse that design twice and with better color options.

    You get it? Smartphones are the most important and personal gadget in our lives but they can't do every single critical thing and easily the most disposable in this vicious business practice called planned obsolescence that every mobile maker and carrier tries to trap us with. I recently just saw the intros to the PowerBook G4 and was amazed by its design from 13-15 years ago. I want to know more about notebooks thanks to the Air. I miss the days when the laptop was my main connection to be connected online. For years, I would post here simply using my phones. I didn't even realize all the likes I received here since it doesn't show me on the mobile version of this site. No way. People might rely on iOS. Good for them. I simply prefer OS X and the ability to do those critical 10% things on an actual computer like drag and drop to transfer files. Also streaming video is way better on a notebook. Been there and done that with smartphones as my 100% computing needs. Not enough. My perspective is iOS is far more useless to me and more of a toy to go online than any MacBook.
     
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    Ok. I'm about to head into the gym so I didn't have the time to read all that, but it really sounded like a recycled argument that's been done time and time again about "this thing isn't real because no file system". Ok....

    Everybody has their own way of doing things. This generation of people, a lot of people just keep their crap up in the cloud. And for personal light use, it works better than the old way. Photos? They're all there in iCloud. Files and important stuff? All in my drop box. Getting video off my camera? Adapter and then right into my iPad for importing.

    So I get what you mean. But you are not...the consumer I meet and talk to everyday. A lot of people are just cool leaving their stuff in the cloud and letting that be that. And for that, iPad and iPhone work great.

    Anything else and hell. You could even get a cheapo windows laptop to manage files. You don't need an $1809 laptop for that
     
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    If smartphones especially iPhones can recognize my thumb drives or externals out of the box or I can type into spreadsheets or Microsoft software, I would consider it since I prefer the convergence. But most phones these days can't. They are portable media players with nice cameras and apps. Online toys to impress strangers and friends on social media. Then we are so OCD with our smartphones. We love great design but cover it up with a case. We clean it up and then it gets dirty in seconds because they are touchscreen. Then we dispose of them every two years or less for the next hottest toy before boredom kicks in again.

    Our computers get viewed as appliances like a TV or washing machine. No love when they retain better resell value because of the longer upgrade cycles and are just as practical with its glaring omission being portability and telephone capabilities. Yet, no personal attachment as much as a smartphone that goes everywhere with us. We wouldn't have smartphones in the first place without computers. Again, I probably might love my new Mac than ANY smartphone I owned in the last eight years. I miss the days of NOT being so OCD or touching the screen to get my hands dirty. I don't need a kickstand. It charges fast. Long battery life. Loud speakers. Sometimes you miss things from mobile versions of sites. Forget tablets since streaming video is way better on notebooks.

    I wished there was an actual Mac OSX phone. While iOS is based on it but is such a watered version of it with uglier flat icons we can't change and more restrictive. To some, you can rely 99% on iOS and think MacBooks are useless like dinosaurs we need to carry around. My view is the opposite. iDevices are useless to me since it can't recognize any memory card or usb. Can't transfer them from one storage to the next. Smartphones might be the best all-around device but it won't solve every problem. Macs to me is the best and most useful product line that Apple has right now. The rest are just disposable toys for social media and used by companies for the business strategy planned obsolescence.

    $900+ iPhone = 2 years worth (battery degrades faster)
    $1800+ MacBook Pro (w/ Touch Bar) = 5+ years worth

    People might say expensive but you will see the value is there in the longer run for MacBooks while a second hand iPhone 7 Plus will cost less than half its current price within a year.
     
  22. MICHAELSD thread starter macrumors 68040

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    iCloud would be sufficient for all my needs if there was a professional unlimited version. That would bridge the gap between needing to transfer files as then they'd all be easy to access from the cloud.
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    I'm very sorry to break it to you, but the MacBook Air is incredibly outdated. It's become a forgotten part of Apple's lineup. The iPhone is more capable with more modern features. This coming from someone considering moving to the Air if they were able to make the new generation better than the Razer Blade Stealth. But I doubt we'll ever see a new generation.
     

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