I wanna switch to Android, but OEMs are not making it easy

Discussion in 'Alternatives to iOS and iOS Devices' started by Indoobidubly, Apr 30, 2018.

  1. Indoobidubly macrumors newbie

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    I've come to greatly dislike the direction Apple has taken. Removing the headphone jack, the home button, and making so much navigating "swipe based", has made me look elsewhere.

    However, it seems like most of Android is following Apple. 3.5mm jacks exist only a few premium Android phones. The notch seems to be on most Android phones going forward

    With Apple I use the Lightning to 3.5mm adapter, and it works good (sometimes I gotta re plug it in to get it going), but I've read that the USB-C to 3.5mm of Android phones has been nothing short of a disaster.

    I don't want a Samsung phone because of those stupid curved screens.
     
  2. TiggrToo macrumors demi-goddess

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    And your point is?

    You dislike Apple because of their direction.
    You dislike Android because of their direction.

    Just what were your expecting from your post?
     
  3. Indoobidubly thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Am I missing some magic phone that has what I'm looking for?
     
  4. TiggrToo macrumors demi-goddess

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    Only you know what you're looking for. What's wrong with something like the LG V30 or the Moto X4?
     
  5. flyinmac macrumors 68040

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    The main thing I've always liked about the iPhone, and the reason I stay, is the data protection redundancy factor. I can back up my entire iPhone to my Mac (or PC) using iTunes. And, all my calendars, notes, and address / contacts automatically sync with iCloud to my PC's, and my Mac's.

    No matter which computer or phone I sit down at, all my necessary contact and scheduling information is right there up to date and waiting. That single feature keeps me away from Android.

    The backup function, also keeps me happy. I have information going back 10 or 11 years that I can't lose. It's of legal importance. And, on my phone. The loss of that information is equivalent to whether I have any fear of losing my freedom. So, it is critical. And, I have it backed up in iTunes to multiple computers, and also archived to multiple (duplicated) iPhone restores.

    The benefit, is that if my phone dies... Then I just restore the entire backup to a new phone, and every message I've ever received is right there. I can't do that with Android. At least not the last time I tried.

    I've thought about leaving Apple several times. But, the risk of my freedom isn't worth the change if Android doesn't have a 100% full device backup feature that I can count on to restore my phone's contents in their entirety to a new phone if needed.
     
  6. Indoobidubly thread starter macrumors newbie

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    These are the phones of NOW. From what I'm reading both LG and Moto are going notch.
     
  7. TiggrToo macrumors demi-goddess

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    Well, I guess you're @$*! out of luck, then.
     
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    Soo.. do you want a phone now (2018) or a phone in the future? You’ve crafted your argument so nobody will be able to help you.
     
  10. TiggrToo macrumors demi-goddess

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    Not sure they want to be helped. Sounds like they came here to whine more than owt else.
     
  11. Indoobidubly, Apr 30, 2018
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    I guess so. Android is becoming more useless everyday. They can't even give away S9's
     
  12. LovingTeddy macrumors 65816

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    I don’t know about what you have tried. But, Samsung, Huawei offers backup apps for Windows. I have four different Huawei phone, all have local backup and restore capabilities. You just need look for the OEMs offers local back up.
     
  13. Coffee_Time macrumors member

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    Try Sony XZ Premium or LG V30.
     
  14. Dr McKay macrumors 68040

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    You could pick up a 1st gen Pixel for pretty cheap these days. Still has a fantastic camera, powerful hardware, years of support, headphone jack. Only downside for me would be it has a 16:9 screen with giant bezels.
     
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    The notch is a requiement when you have an edge to edge screen and don't want much of of bezel. Sorry but like the headphone jack, the industry is moving in that direction.
     
  16. chagla macrumors 6502a

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    lol.

    not quite... Xiaomi Mi Mix 2 disagrees.
    [​IMG]
     
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    Why would any of us care what Samsungs sales of Galaxy S9's are?
     
  18. convergent macrumors 68030

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    I love my Note 8 and it has all the "magic" I was looking for. But you have somehow ruled out "curved glass" so not sure what to tell you. In a case, its nearly the exact same form factor as my old iPhone 6s+.
     
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    If you are an iPhone user, the Pixel 2 XL is a great first step into Android. Everything is simple and works out of the box. Speed is incredible, photos taken by the camera need no editing, Google Assist is so brilliant I use it for most of my google searches as it always gets what I'm saying and it's quicker than typing.

    Lastly, it has louder stereo speakers, face unlock but I use the finger print reader as it's doesn't require waking up the phone. Initially I found it a bit "bare" compared with the Samsung S6 I previous had, but after 2 weeks I realised that it excels at everything you want a phone to do. It's an amazing phone and I feel I made the right choice.
     
  20. SteveJUAE macrumors 68020

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    Think this is old hat now :)

    You should be able to do the same and more on Android including sych with your Icloud contacts, photos, bookmarks. Even native apk's can be extracted and backed up if you have an old favorite that's not supported or discontinued or sideloaded due to country restrictions

    The only annoyance a few years back was after a restore had to re-organise your preferred layout and locations of Apps (not that you ever had the same options on IOS) I assume this is now fixed as it is when swapping devices old to new many personal preferences are also done other than passwords for security

    Even the cloud back-up are good now and allow now private folders can be restored from previous phones or backups

    You may need to check if some non native apps data like WhatsApp are backed up, but usually they have their own cloud server for back-ups for extra cover

    You should loose nothing, the last time I had to do a restore was when I swapped from a flat screen S6 to a curved S6 and that was 3 years back, it's only got better and easier since then
     
  21. flyinmac macrumors 68040

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    That’s good to hear. Maintaining my sync and backups is unfortunately primary in my purchase decisions. I’ll pick a phone I don’t like if it’s the only way to keep everything I have stored from being lost. And keeping everything synced.

    If I lose even a single text message it can make the difference of freedom or jail. The evidence is that critical. And showing a picture isn’t sufficient. I have to show it on the actual phone as it came in. The courts say pictures of messages (screenshot or camera) is not sufficient because pictures can be easily altered. I need them to show exactly as they arrived. It is my only guarantee of remaining free.

    So naturally having a backup that puts everything back exactly, is extremely important.

    If I switched platforms, I would also need my old text messages to come with me. Which has worked from iPhone to iPhone.

    I have an old Android and Windows mobile phone in storage just to keep their contents. But I don’t like relying on a stack of previous devices. So I prefer to keep everything moving forward from this point if I can.

    I’d hate for the day that I need something on that old phone to be the day it decided to quit working.
     
  22. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 604

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    IMO, the notch will be a one off for most manufacturers.
     
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    With that level of criticality it's probably best and easier to stick with something that works for you :)

    However I did notice now we have more control of the cloud backups it's possible to manage several or more device images ie I had S7, S8 and S9 backups that presumable I could restore along with 2 different secure folder back-up which may offer additional assistance for you in addition to physically keeping the old phone. This was on top of the back-ups I had on my laptop.

    Given your requirements I certainly I would be cautious and look in to it more and even do some product testing but from my limited experience as a normal user on face value it seems possible to achieve the same and more should you swap platforms

    Best of luck
     
  25. flyinmac macrumors 68040

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    Yes, that level of importance has been primary in keeping me with the iPhone since I moved back to iPhone in 2012 / 2013 (approximately). I did lose one message during my transition back, that was unfortunate. I was setting up the iPhone, and had a message come through, and then had to restore to factory due to a problem that couldn't be resolved. Was like a matter of minutes between turning it on, having the message come in, the phone crashed and died, and I had to do a factory refresh to bring it back. And, the loss of that single message cost me 3 years in court. I had to pull other people in, and it was a mess. That one message could have made the difference of it just being thrown out of court. I lost big time in that one, but while remaining free, it put restrictions on my freedom for a long time.

    It sucks having people in your past that do things, then try to claim it was you. My phone and computers hold the archives of the truth. I've cleared my name, but still have people trying to drag it through the mud. And, have another person who tried having me jailed only a few months back, but the text messages contradict their own story. So, I remained free. But, they keep trying. The statute of limitations for the offense they allege is 10 years. So, I can't lose messages for 10 years from now, or I'm basically screwed. The police know I have the messages, and they held a grand jury hearing to decide whether to arrest me, and based on evidence determined they couldn't arrest me. But, the person has continued to file allegations, and also dragged people in town into it. So, when I get approached by the law, or other people that have been sent after me, I pull out the phone and show them what is in writing. It clears me fast. Some people are vicious when they want something they can't have, they try to make you pay. But, enough of that lol...

    I have stayed with the iPhone due to the ability to archive everything and put it back as it was. And, the same with the calendars and contacts automatically syncing with my calendars and contacts on the computer from my phone. I can always say what I was doing on any day that I'm asked about going back to 2009. Which sadly is important. That level of microscope is annoying.

    But, I've also been frustrated when I could get a free Android phone vs. a $700 to $1000 iPhone. The thing I like about Androids is the ability to put a flash card into it, of whatever storage amount I desire, and handling media / files / music / and documents as actual files that I can move into a traditional directory / folder format. And, I can pull that content or add content to / from that card by simply plugging the card right into my computer. That is the simplicity I miss. Or complexity perhaps depending on your viewpoint.

    That feature actually saved my butt in a court room at one point prior to my switch to iPhones. I was asked to produce something in the court room, and could pull my memory card out, and they could play it on the court's computer / audio system. And, the audio kept me out of jail. Stupid fools, yes I record if you come near me lol...

    But, it had to be played on the court's system, and be something that was a file which could be duplicated and handed in file format to the court / judge, the accuser's attorney for analysis to have the ability to try and prove it had been altered, and to my attorney to have as well.

    That's a level of functionality missing in the iPhone. Not everything is treated as a file. And, not everything can be removed from the phone / transferred as a file to another device without losing it's metadata of creation date. If I can move a file from the memory card using a file manager, it's creation / modification metadata remains intact. If you send a file from the phone to another device, it now has a new creation date when it arrives on the next device. That presents the impression that I just made the file.

    So, I really prefer the way Android treats media and files, and has removable memory cards that I can change easily and store. The iPhone forces me to pay a premium for greater storage capacity, and I can't add to it, remove it, or directly manage the files from another device as easily as I could with Android.

    But, I could never find a consistent backup / restore solution that treated all Android devices the same. Such as if my phone died, and I purchased a different brand or model Android, could I make it look exactly like the phone that died.

    From what you're describing, it sounds like perhaps they've begun to add the level of functionality that I would require. I might have to look into that. If it is there, and appears that it will remain there, then that might increase my future options. I'd then only have to figure out how to migrate text messages and such over to the new phone if it was not an iPhone I moved to.

    But, it is encouraging to hear that they've begun to implement those types of features.
     

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