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Is there a way to get those buttons to permanently light up on the touchbar, be it at low brightness so as to not waste too much energy? I find it really annoying to have to press the < arrow thing to even see the volume and brightness up/down buttons, and also to not see the esc button permanently (i.e., having to tab the bar once to even see where it is, then press the esc button again. Being a developer, but also for stuff like watching videos online I use that button a lot! And I always like to fine tune my volume and brightness settings, but having to first expand the touch bar menu makes this very cumbersome.
 
Yup. Under Keyboard preferences, you can make the system buttons always show.

You can also program the Fn key to toggle the full system buttons instead of the F keys. That might be a good alternative since it won't require you to press the chevron to expand.

BUT...did you also know that you don't have to press the volume or brightness buttons and then tap on the slider? You can just press and hold and slide—no need to remove your finger. One button.
 
i have this feeling that I could think about the touchbar, in regards to the volume/brightness annoyance, and come up with a gorgeous solution in 30 minutes.
 
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Is there a way to get those buttons to permanently light up on the touchbar, be it at low brightness so as to not waste too much energy? I find it really annoying to have to press the < arrow thing to even see the volume and brightness up/down buttons, and also to not see the esc button permanently (i.e., having to tab the bar once to even see where it is, then press the esc button again. Being a developer, but also for stuff like watching videos online I use that button a lot! And I always like to fine tune my volume and brightness settings, but having to first expand the touch bar menu makes this very cumbersome.
Go back to PC then.
 
Yup. Under Keyboard preferences, you can make the system buttons always show.

You can also program the Fn key to toggle the full system buttons instead of the F keys. That might be a good alternative since it won't require you to press the chevron to expand.

BUT...did you also know that you don't have to press the volume or brightness buttons and then tap on the slider? You can just press and hold and slide—no need to remove your finger. One button.

Didn't know that. Thanks for the tip.
 
As mentioned above just hold and slide makes it as simple as the old method, actually I like this new method better.
 
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Yup. Under Keyboard preferences, you can make the system buttons always show.

You can also program the Fn key to toggle the full system buttons instead of the F keys. That might be a good alternative since it won't require you to press the chevron to expand.

Thanks, I see those options now, but let me clarify: what do you mean by the 2nd option being "a good alternative since it won't require you to press the chevron to expand"? Sorry for being bad at autocorrecting -- still waking up :)
 
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I saw a video where you can get the typical function keys back at any time by pressing the bottom left key, I thought that was a nice feature.

I was kinda shocked when I saw in a video how you can customize the function keys by dragging and dropping what keys you use the most. Apple is slowly realizing that customizing is a good thing for the customer.
 
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So with this:
How to always show function keys for specific apps

You can quickly show the normal function keys by pressing and holding the Function (fn) key on the keyboard. But what if there’s an app that requires you to use standard function keys often?

All you need to do is go to System Preferences → Keyboard → Shortcuts, select Function Keys, and click the ‘+’ sign to add an app of your choice.

With this setting enabled for a specific app, function keys will be displayed by default while using that app. If you press and hold the Function key while using this app, the expanded Control Strip options on the Touch Bar will be revealed.
Although it may be time consuming.. couldn't you go through and turn on the default Fn keys for every app?
 
Thanks, I see those options now, but let me clarify: what do you mean by the 2nd option being "a good alternative since it won't require you to press the chevron to expand"? Sorry for being bad at autocorrecting -- still waking up :)
I was thinking you didn't want to expand the full system bar first (which you do by tapping the < (chevron).
 
The OP didn't say anything about a 13" or a 15", but there is this if the touchbar is so terrible:

http://store.apple.com/xc/product/MJLQ2LL/A

That just redirects to the new models now, so far as I can tell? I can't find a way to order the 2015 models. Some stores have them, although only without dGPU.

EDIT: I was wrong, the other one is still there, lower on the page, once I navigate back to 15".
 
Is there a way to get those buttons to permanently light up on the touchbar, be it at low brightness so as to not waste too much energy? I find it really annoying to have to press the < arrow thing to even see the volume and brightness up/down buttons, and also to not see the esc button permanently (i.e., having to tab the bar once to even see where it is, then press the esc button again. Being a developer, but also for stuff like watching videos online I use that button a lot! And I always like to fine tune my volume and brightness settings, but having to first expand the touch bar menu makes this very cumbersome.

I seem to have escape, volume and brightness always available on mine. I don't have to hit a arrow.

Also in case you didn't know. You don't have to lift your finger once you hit the volume or brightness key just touch it and start sliding left or right.
 
I seem to have escape, volume and brightness always available on mine. I don't have to hit a arrow.

also in case you didn't know. don't have to lift your finger once you hit the volume or brightness key just touch it and start sliding left or right.

correct, but if the OP wants to use the discreet down/up buttons like how they existed pre-touch bar (instead of hitting the single volume/brightness buttons that are always there in compact mode), those can be accessed in expanded mode, or by tapping the compact mode button and then sliding or tapping the down/up buttons on either side of the sliders.
 
correct, but if the OP wants to use the discreet down/up buttons like how they existed pre-touch bar (instead of hitting the single volume/brightness buttons that are always there in compact mode), those can be accessed in expanded mode, or by tapping the compact mode button and then sliding or tapping the down/up buttons on either side of the sliders.


I get that but there is zero reason to do that except make it take longer. Touch and start sliding.

I removed them from the extended bar as well and replaced with the single key versions. Hoping they add a single keyboard light control in the future. Frees up spots for other things.
 
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I get that but there is zero reason to do that except make it take longer. Touch and start sliding.

I removed them from the extended bar as well and replaced with the single key versions. Hoping they add a single keyboard light control in the future. Frees up spots for other things.

yup...just presenting options.
 
Apple is slowly realizing that customizing is a good thing for the customer.
This is macOS and not iOS ...the only one still not very customisable is the iOS. macOS and even the watchOS are very good at this
 
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