Other I want to see this on the iPhone 17

[klasma]

Please Apple, give us this on iPhone 17

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This still isn’t flush. The last iPhone with a flush camera was the SE 1.

 

[ThailandToo]

I would take a thicker iPhone that had larger battery and space for cameras flush to the back. Or, I would take worse cameras. The sensor is really important but a lens can use all sorts of angles to take a photo using less vertical space out from the iPhone. In reality, I would take a 200MP single camera with a 1” sensor. I can crop in for the telephoto shots. A larger sensor would mean everything for light. Look at the improvements just going to 48mp in the wide angle lens. I would take just 200mp one camera sensor and wide angle lens and that would do absolutely everything we would get out of all three current lenses. It’s a lot of wasted space. Can do the same thing with greater pixel density. Look at the Galaxy Ultra.

In all reality, what I care most about is a distraction free display. No islands or notches. But my Pixel 8 Pro is pretty good at everything my 15 Pro Max is good at except the anticompetitive ecosystem.

 

[Lounge vibes 05]

Just saying that there were iPhones that didn’t sit flat on the table before the camera bump.
The original iPhone couldn’t sit flat on a table.
The 3G and 3GS *really* couldn’t sit flat on the table, neither could the original iPad. All of these products rocked back-and-forth, even without camera bumps.
Also, the iPhone 6 wasn’t even the first iOS device to have a camera bump, that was the iPod touch fifth generation.

 

[sfphoto]

The iP5 and later (identical housing?) iPse not only were flat but look at these features!

 

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The iP5/SE gen1 IMO is perfect for my bike rides.

 

[Allen_Wentz]

You can not build a flagship camera lens that flat cos of optical reasons.
So either you put in a mediocre lens (btw, i still see a bump in your pic) or increase the weight by increasing the phones body.

Exactly. Everything is about engineering tradeoffs. We need a bump to have decent lenses and if they extend the bump across the top, it will add volume and weight to the phone in people's pockets. Choices. Personally, I could care less about the phone wobbling, and the bump makes the phone easier to pick up off a flat surface. But for me priority number one is just give us the best lenses possible irrespective of how offensive the bumps may be to some people. Just my $0.002.

 

[Allen_Wentz]

I would take a thicker iPhone that had larger battery and space for cameras flush to the back. Or, I would take worse cameras. The sensor is really important but a lens can use all sorts of angles to take a photo using less vertical space out from the iPhone. In reality, I would take a 200MP single camera with a 1” sensor. I can crop in for the telephoto shots. A larger sensor would mean everything for light. Look at the improvements just going to 48mp in the wide angle lens. I would take just 200mp one camera sensor and wide angle lens and that would do absolutely everything we would get out of all three current lenses. It’s a lot of wasted space. Can do the same thing with greater pixel density. Look at the Galaxy Ultra.

In all reality, what I care most about is a distraction free display. No islands or notches. But my Pixel 8 Pro is pretty good at everything my 15 Pro Max is good at except the anticompetitive ecosystem.

It is interesting how we all have different preferences. Mine are totally opposite of yours.
• You: larger battery. Me: thinner, equal or less battery
• You: less vertical space out from the iPhone. Me: thicker, more vertical lenses
• You: worse cameras. Me: better cameras
• You: no islands or notches. Me: I do not care about islands or notches
• You: dislike anticompetitive ecosystem. Me: prefer more secure but less competitive ecosystem

 

[eyoungren]

Exactly. Everything is about engineering tradeoffs. We need a bump to have decent lenses and if they extend the bump across the top, it will add volume and weight to the phone in people's pockets. Choices. Personally, I could care less about the phone wobbling, and the bump makes the phone easier to pick up off a flat surface. But for me priority number one is just give us the best lenses possible irrespective of how offensive the bumps may be to some people. Just my $0.002.

I don't believe both sides will ever be satisfied.

This is a sliding scale. What people want to do or need cameras for now is not the same as it was years ago. It requires better cameras. In a few years this will increase again, and again we will get better cameras.

But it's never going to stop. Those who always wish for a better camera will never be satisfied. And those of us who don't want a camera bump will never be satisfied either, because in the selling of 'more' and 'better', removing the bump will never become feasible.

 

[KeithBN]

I just read about the specs of the upcoming Pixel 9a
And I think this is what smartphone manufacturers need to change in their next flagships
A device with no camera bump at all!
Why is it that when I put an iPhone on the table it's supposed to wobble? And who's talking about Google's Pixel?
Please Apple, give us this on iPhone 17

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I can clearly see a camera bump though!
Look at the top of the image in the right - a protruding camera bump…

 

[russell_314]

So far, I haven't found anyone that has actually said they love the camera bump. I'm sure those customers exist out there somewhere though.

I can’t say there isn’t someone out there that loves the camera bump but I suspect if it was just cosmetic, people would choose the camera bump. I certainly would not pick a camera bump if it didn’t give me better performance. At this point in my life, I don’t seem to take a lot of pictures. I might choose the camera bump, even if it meant worse performance.

If you really want to get controversial, let’s get rid of the selfie camera. The only time I use this feature is to see how poorly the barber trimmed the back of my head. I think most men wouldn’t miss it.

Yes I know Face ID but if it meant no selfie camera hole in the screen, I would take a fingerprint sensor on the side.

 

[Parowdy]

I’ve never heard that the camera bump was a feature or selling point, but I suppose the location or layout of it might be. I think the camera bump is a necessity due to current imaging capabilities. I’m sure Apple would love to make it completely flush and they still could have the cool layout.


I didn’t think the camera bump topic was this controversial. I feel like we’re discussing politics or something 😂



Maybe? I’ve never seen anyone just touch their phone without picking it up while it was on a table, but I haven’t really asked a whole bunch of people if they do this. I am definitely not in the know of current trends so it might be a thing.


It’s not instant. That would be pretty awesome and I think that was the dream with 5G, but obviously that isn’t coming out like people thought it would. Some photo processing obviously is on device, but more advanced processing is done on servers.


There’s discussion of it in these forms, but maybe it’s been a while.

Could you point me out to some of those threads or tell me some keywords to look for because „Google image processing“ yielded way too many (un)related posts. But so far I was under the impression that if you take a picture with or without an internet connection it would be the same picture. I understand that some „refinement“ features like circle to erase or composite group selfies use AI and that might be processed abroad, although Google seems to focus on on-device processing capabilities more and more.

Also, iPhones are recognizable in, and according to, young-social-media more desirable for mirror selfies, „aesthetically pleasing selfies“ that apparently require this ever same tri-rec-bump. So yeah they are somewhat of a selling point for younger people.

 

[Spotify09]

I completely agree! The camera bump has been an ongoing issue, making phones unstable when placed on a flat surface. It's surprising that manufacturers continue to prioritize ultra-thin designs while ignoring this ergonomic flaw. A flush camera setup, like what the Pixel 9a might offer, would be a game-changer. Apple should definitely take note for the iPhone 17—it's time for a sleek design that doesn't compromise usability. Hopefully, other brands will follow suit and make this a standard feature in flagship devices!

 

[Andeddu]

This is the leaked design that MacRumours posted in a recent article and I have seen it do the rounds on the internet.

Forget about having no camera bump, Apple will never do it. Even iPads have camera bumps now, haha.

 

[eyoungren]

Apple should definitely take note for the iPhone 17—it's time for a sleek design that doesn't compromise usability.

The only notes Apple is going to take are the ones Apple wants to write. They have their own design vision and what other manufacturers are doing isn't a part of that vision.

I hate the fugly bump. It's a pox, a boil that needs to be lanced - with prejudice! But, that isn't going to happen any time soon.

 

[eyoungren]

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This is the leaked design that MacRumours posted in a recent article and I have seen it do the rounds on the internet.

Forget about having no camera bump, Apple will never do it. Even iPads have camera bumps now, haha.

I have advocated for some time (tongue-in cheek) that Apple should simply make a camera with texting, calling and emailing capabilities. Maybe they heard me?

 

[Andeddu]

I have advocated for some time (tongue-in cheek) that Apple should simply make a camera with texting, calling and emailing capabilities. Maybe they heard me?

Hahah. I agree that 99% of users have no use whatsoever for such a high quality camera. I like snapping away as much as the next person but I am not a professional photographer so I have no real use for a camera that’s better than what’s on an iPhone 12 (due to the night mode). I am pretty sure that we have the technology and software to provide an iPhone 12 quality experience with no camera bump. It would be a marketing nightmare for Apple to publicly declare a downgrade in picture quality though which is why they’d never do it. Looks like we’re stuck with bigger and bigger lenses year on year.

 

[eyoungren]

Hahah. I agree that 99% of users have no use whatsoever for such a high quality camera. I like snapping away as much as the next person but I am not a professional photographer so I have no real use for a camera that’s better than what’s on an iPhone 12 (due to the night mode). I am pretty sure that we have the technology and software to provide an iPhone 12 quality experience with no camera bump. It would be a marketing nightmare for Apple to publicly declare a downgrade in picture quality though which is why they’d never do it. Looks like we’re stuck with bigger and bigger lenses year on year.

Most of the pictures I take are sent to my wife. Pics of stuff on grocery store shelves so she can choose what item she wants me to bring home. The rest tend to be for stuff I post here on MR or Reddit. A vast majority of my camera roll could be wiped and I wouldn't miss much.

Yet again, I am probably an outlier, but the camera tech is not why I buy iPhone. Soon though, my wife should be able to see the individual molecules of the stuff on the grocery shelves so she can make better informed choices. Thanks Apple!

 

[maerz001]

Most of the pictures I take are sent to my wife. Pics of stuff on grocery store shelves so she can choose what item she wants me to bring home. The rest tend to be for stuff I post here on MR or Reddit. A vast majority of my camera roll could be wiped and I wouldn't miss much.

Yet again, I am probably an outlier, but the camera tech is not why I buy iPhone. Soon though, my wife should be able to see the individual molecules of the stuff on the grocery shelves so she can make better informed choices. Thanks Apple!

i guess the new SE or coming Air would be a better choice for u.

I waited years for optical zoom. So i am happy to have that within the bump

 

[Iwavvns]

I'd like an "iPhone PoBoy"

Mini sized (at least as an optional variant) with whatever reasonable lens they can put in there in 2025+ and not have a bump on the back

/wishlist

I want the iPhone PoBoy SE.. a regular iPhone minus the camera altogether. I think I have taken a total of 4 pictures since 2012.

Remember back when you could buy a cell phone that had the ability to take pictures? No one sells phones anymore, what we buy now is a camera that has the ability to make phone calls.

 

[maerz001]

I want the iPhone PoBoy SE.. a regular iPhone minus the camera altogether. I think I have taken a total of 4 pictures since 2012.

Remember back when you could buy a cell phone that had the ability to take pictures? No one sells phones anymore, what we buy now is a camera that has the ability to make phone calls.

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[eyoungren]

i guess the new SE or coming Air would be a better choice for u.

I waited years for optical zoom. So i am happy to have that within the bump

That is possible and I am indeed looking at the new SE. We will see.

However, and I have mentioned this several times over my years here on MacRumors. I don't buy based on need or what's a 'better choice'. I buy based on what I want.

Now it is trued that both my 6 Plus, my 6s Plus ad my 11 Max Pro all have the very thing I proclaim to dislike - the camera bump. But, while I dislike that, I like the bigger size more.

Do I need the Pro Features? Are they a better choice for me? No. But I don't care. If there is something about a particular model iPhone that I like more than something about it I hate, I will get that.

Also, it has been my experience that the SE has limited storage options. This is based on the SE1 and SE2 that I have purchased for my son and the SE2 I purchased for my daughter. Whenever I buy an iPhone I get the largest capacity offered for the model I am getting. Right now, with my 11PM that is 512GB. If the highest capacity offered for the SE is going to be less than that, then I will wait until the 15 or 16PM is the older phone and get one of those - at the highest capacity offered.

Now, I also understand that the Pro series might be larger than the Pro Max. Don't know if that is true, but if it is, then I will most likely go that route, again with the highest capacity offered.

Finally…I don't care for small phones and I particularly don't care for thin phones. I like my phones to have weight in my hand. That rules out this Air device that is rumored.

So, we'll see. I live with the phones I buy for anywhere from 2.5 to 5.5 years before I upgrade. So, this is why I get what I want. I suppose if you want to call that the 'better choice' for me, you could. I am making a choice, it's just usually not the one others would make for me.

 

[ifxf]

My phone doesn’t wobble on a table, of course, I always use a case. I see more people using popSockets which makes complaints about a camera bump meaningless.

 

[ifxf]

Only 1% of users truly maximize the full potential of smartphone cameras. This 1%—the vocal content creators on YouTube—has convinced everyday users, who mostly take casual photos of their pets, kids, and receipts, that they need Hollywood-level cameras in their phones. Add Apple’s marketing to the mix, and the illusion becomes even stronger.

The reality? Most regular users don’t need all that power. The iPhone 7’s camera was already more than sufficient for everyday photography. Apple has its Pro lineup for those who want cutting-edge camera tech, but why can’t the regular iPhone have a simpler, bump-free design with a “normal” camera?

Even if it has slightly lower specs, Apple could easily market it with the right spin—no problem. A fresh design angle, a new story to tell—they’re experts at that. How about a flat iPhone 17 variant, Apple?

When I switched from the SE to iphone 15, I noticed a huge improvement especially in low light and portrait photography.

 

[maerz001]

I just read about the specs of the upcoming Pixel 9a
And I think this is what smartphone manufacturers need to change in their next flagships
A device with no camera bump at all!
Why is it that when I put an iPhone on the table it's supposed to wobble? And who's talking about Google's Pixel?
Please Apple, give us this on iPhone 17

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Did u see now the new SE camera bump?

I was today in the Apple store. It is really quite small. Maybe 1-2mm.
When you come from a pro it’s astonishing tiny

 

[espreso]

Me: prefer more secure but less competitive ecosystem

Android is no less secure than iOS, you need to allow apps the exact same permissions
What is true is that there is a lot of malware on Google Play and none on the App Store (a few months ago there was a malicious app for the first time)