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I wish they'd make a version without "the computer" inside or the battery outside

anthonymoody

anthonymoody

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I may be a weirdo outlier, but I'd really love to use an AVP interface for productivity. I use a 40" 5k/2k widescreen monitor currently but would love an even bigger virtual workspace.

Thing is, I already have a MBP, and external keyboard and trackpad. I really only "need" the glasses and related cameras and sensors (and whatever other hardware is required that's not already in my MBP eta: like the R1 chip). Power it from my MBP which I keep plugged in regardless.

I'd pay....$1000 for that? Maybe $1500?
 
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I don't think Apple will ever sell such a product, but one thing that I'm certain is that it would never be offered at this price point. The displays only are rumored to cost hundreds of dollars each to Apple
 
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fwmireault said:
I don't think Apple will ever sell such a product, but one thing that I'm certain is that it would never be offered at this price point. The displays only are rumored to cost hundreds of dollars each to Apple
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I mean we'd have to see the BOM to fully understand, but, a MBP contains a *lot* of the exact same elements for a somewhat comparable price.

Will they? You may be correct that they will not. Could they do so at 1000-1500? I believe they could.
 
anthonymoody said:
I may be a weirdo outlier, but I'd really love to use an AVP interface for productivity. I use a 40" 5k/2k widescreen monitor currently but would love an even bigger virtual workspace.

Thing is, I already have a MBP, and external keyboard and trackpad. I really only "need" the glasses and related cameras and sensors (and whatever other hardware is required that's not already in my MBP). Power it from my MBP which I keep plugged in regardless.

I'd pay....$1000 for that? Maybe $1500?
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In order for the sensors and camera and all that to work it needs the R1, which to me actually just sounds like there fancy way of saying how stuff streams back and forth, but the R1 needs the M2 to work. Also last estimate I saw the BOM was $1600, and I'd venture to guess much of the cost involves actually just packing it all together.
 
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anthonymoody said:
I may be a weirdo outlier, but I'd really love to use an AVP interface for productivity. I use a 40" 5k/2k widescreen monitor currently but would love an even bigger virtual workspace.

Thing is, I already have a MBP, and external keyboard and trackpad. I really only "need" the glasses and related cameras and sensors (and whatever other hardware is required that's not already in my MBP). Power it from my MBP which I keep plugged in regardless.

I'd pay....$1000 for that? Maybe $1500?
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Hell, I would buy two at these prices, but it’s not going to happen. I’m pretty sure it needs the R1 and M2 just to function.
 
XboxEvolved said:
In order for the sensors and camera and all that to work it needs the R1, which to me actually just sounds like there fancy way of saying how stuff streams back and forth, but the R1 needs the M2 to work. Also last estimate I saw the BOM was $1600, and I'd venture to guess much of the cost involves actually just packing it all together.
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Ok? So include the R1 in my version and limit it to working with Macs with an M2 or later. That's perfectly fine. If the BOM is indeed $1600, and you remove everything but the lenses, physical housing, cameras, and R1, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that the BOM is cut in half. So maybe $1500 retail doesn't work. $1750?
 
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Ok? So include the R1 in my version and limit it to working with Macs with an M2 or later. That's perfectly fine. If the BOM is indeed $1600, and you remove everything but the lenses, physical housing, cameras, and R1, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that the BOM is cut in half. So maybe $1500 retail doesn't work. $1750?
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So you are just cutting the M2 chip and battery right? That does not cut the BOM in half, the displays and lenses make up the bulk along with cameras and sensors. The rest of it might as well be included to make a way more useful product.

It is safe to say however that Vision will grow to be a line of products and it will be interesting to see if and how they will make a lower priced version.
 
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Right so include the R1. But I already have an M2 sitting on my desk. Just use that one? I mean hell, you can already cast a Mac to the AVP.
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It seems like much of what makes the R1 have such extreme low latency is that it's on the same board/die as the M2. If it was going over some wireless protocol, you have to think it would kill the purpose of the R1 almost entirely.
 
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What's sometimes frustrating about Apple is that they always believe in a fully integrated solution for each product. Even though yes, the Vision Pro can connect to your MacBook and supposedly take advantage of the MacBook's CPU, they build every Vision Pro to not require an external CPU. That's just how it is.
 
If they don't, somebody else will, if it's feasible to do well. What iPhone won't do, Android will. What Mac doesn't get into (hello, gaming in a big way), developers for Windows will (both software games makers and hardware video card makers).

It may well be that the all-in-one integrated unit has more polish than a product that mainly actions as a display and sensor array wirelessly interacting with your desktop or notebook Mac, which handles the computational heavy lifting. And it may well be that this product will still be quite expensive, as the components unique to it are pricy.

But a lot of people have a desktop or notebook Mac, and for them, if the experience is very close, saving $1,500 might well be worth it. Don't we have discussions about the Apple Studio Display vs. 27" 4K monitors, or even 5K panels, by other manufacturers? And aren't there people thrilled with their ASD as well as those quite happy with other-band 4Ks?

But if it can be done and done well, it will be. The name might be Microsoft instead of Apple, but it will be.
 
Wasn't there talks about the lower cost Apple Glasses ?

I thought it was designed for lower price because the computing power is done thru an iPhone ?

Is this coming out ?

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a product that mainly actions as a display and sensor array wirelessly interacting with your desktop or notebook Mac
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I think you've nicely distilled the central idea to my post: it's a peripheral. A pricey one to be sure, though I'm currently toying with getting the $2400 57" Neo G9. For the same money or less I might prefer "a wireless display and sensor array interacting with my laptop."
 
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There are a bunch of glasses that will just mirror your display from you laptop on the market already.

The xreals get good reviews.

XREAL Air 2 Pro AR Glasses, The Ultimate Wearable Display with 3-Level Immersion Control, 75g 120Hz 1080P, Smart Glasses, Ideal for Gaming, Streaming and Working https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CHVQWW4P?ref_=cm_sw_r_apan_dp_85X5TR1T0HKX5TY6G19Q&language=en-US

These are honestly a lot more compelling to me than the vision pro, as looking out through cameras will never beat seeing through glass.
 
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There are a bunch of glasses that will just mirror your display from you laptop on the market already.

The xreals get good reviews.

XREAL Air 2 Pro AR Glasses, The Ultimate Wearable Display with 3-Level Immersion Control, 75g 120Hz 1080P, Smart Glasses, Ideal for Gaming, Streaming and Working https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CHVQWW4P?ref_=cm_sw_r_apan_dp_85X5TR1T0HKX5TY6G19Q&language=en-US

These are honestly a lot more compelling to me than the vision pro, as looking out through cameras will never beat seeing through glass.
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Wow thanks. Somehow these had completely escaped my radar. I'll check them out.
 
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mectojic said:
What's sometimes frustrating about Apple is that they always believe in a fully integrated solution for each product. Even though yes, the Vision Pro can connect to your MacBook and supposedly take advantage of the MacBook's CPU, they build every Vision Pro to not require an external CPU. That's just how it is.
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It used to be that Apple Watch apps required the companion iPhone app to run. The iPhone handled the work and beamed it to the watch. As of present-day, watch apps can run standalone, but they are incredibly gimped due to the restrictions placed upon the developer by the provided APIs and App Store guidelines.
 
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What you're looking for exists. It's glasses that just let some monitors float in front of you, strictly display only. With some flimsy hand controls.

Found it!


This is just one example. There's a whole cottage industry around this concept. The idea doesn't have legs in my opinion, but we'll see. (AiO is the way forward for AR.)
 
I wish they'd make a version without the exterior screen. The photos of it make it look creepy and I'd rather have a cheaper model without it.
 
MisterSavage said:
I wish they'd make a version without the exterior screen. The photos of it make it look creepy and I'd rather have a cheaper model without it.
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One of the first things I'll do is go into the settings to find the toggle to turn it off.
 
anthonymoody said:
I use a 40" 5k/2k widescreen monitor currently but would love an even bigger virtual workspace.
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So would everyone else, but that's not what Vision Pro is. The only way to utilize the potential of spatial computing (unlimited real estate with floating app windows) is by running the native apps of Vision Pro. It does not, cannot, and will not, at any point ever, run Mac apps this way. Therefore it is no where near replacing your 40" display, or mine, or anyone else's.
 
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Mellofello808 said:
There are a bunch of glasses that will just mirror your display from you laptop on the market already.
The xreals get good reviews.
XREAL Air 2 Pro AR Glasses, The Ultimate Wearable Display with 3-Level Immersion Control, 75g 120Hz 1080P, Smart Glasses, Ideal for Gaming, Streaming and Working https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CHVQWW4P?ref_=cm_sw_r_apan_dp_85X5TR1T0HKX5TY6G19Q&language=en-US
These are honestly a lot more compelling to me than the vision pro, as looking out through cameras will never beat seeing through glass.
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None of them are compelling at all, including Vision Pro, because none of them run desktop apps in the unlimited canvas (aka spatial computing). Mirroring fixed computer displays (which is what VP and every other product mentioned does) does not accomplish anything.
 
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Hypothetically: a version of this device that plugged directly into your Mac and allowed you to run your Mac apps in the unlimited canvas (aka spatial computing) would be infinitely more valuable than the iPad-for-your-face that they are shipping. Every single developer and pro Mac user would be lining up to buy one to replace the limiting fixed displays on their desk, for a way to look at and interact with their Mac that doesn't otherwise exist. Mirroring a Mac desktop is ********. Spatializing the macOS and its apps on the other hand would be a big deal. A huge deal. But Apple doesn't care enough about the Mac or developers to have gone that route, and instead are deluding themselves into thinking that an iPad for your face is worth $3,500. It's going to end so badly when it could have been really great.
 
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