I wonder if hackintosh websites had a sudden spike in membership?

prvt.donut

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Because, whilst I really like the design of the new Mac Pro, it is for the wrong market, if it had a haswell chipset, and allowed standard PCIe GPU's (crossfire and SLI support also) then I could see it as a prosumer device for home use and gaming .

But as an office/studio work station, it makes little sense.

So I wonder if a lot of people who had been holding out are now looking at custom hackintoshs for their pro needs.
 

comatory

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no it'll be same as before. hackintosh takes time to adjust and even then, there are some little things that dont work right.

if youre a hobbyist/hacker and like to tinker with stuff, its a great approach. but for a serious user/professional or company, which is the crowd that fits within Pro's abilities - you just pay more to get the real deal, support and warranty.

anyway, building xeon hackintosh was never that good from value perspective.

i can see some spike in interest for people like me (id be getting hackintosh cause i do some heavy stuff but not on daily basis - i need headless iMac basically with 2-3 HDD bays) but not as big as you think probably.
 

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So I wonder if a lot of people who had been holding out are now looking at custom hackintoshs for their pro needs.
That's usually a mistake that can cost professinals $$.

They don't need to spend time to get a hackintosh to work, when they need to spend time making money. If they're unhappy with the new Mac Pro, they may move off the platform.

I don't really don't understand the hate, while I'm not a fan of the round design, its really eye catching and designed for performance. I think there's too many unknowns to really rail against it.

Back on topic, hackintohes are good for hobbyists but for a business machine its not the best solution imo
 

theSeb

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But as an office/studio work station, it makes little sense.

So I wonder if a lot of people who had been holding out are now looking at custom hackintoshs for their pro needs.
I don't see why it makes little sense as a work station or why there would be a sudden increase of members to hackintosh websites. Building, tinkering and repairing their work machines is not what most people want to do when they are trying to run a business.
 

mcnallym

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Because, whilst I really like the design of the new Mac Pro, it is for the wrong market, if it had a haswell chipset, and allowed standard PCIe GPU's (crossfire and SLI support also) then I could see it as a prosumer device for home use and gaming .

But as an office/studio work station, it makes little sense.

So I wonder if a lot of people who had been holding out are now looking at custom hackintoshs for their pro needs.
Thats because it is now clearly aimed at High End Video Editing.

People doing Gaming and Home Use hasn't been the Target Audience of the Mac Pro. It has however been adopted by people in that market space. However that doesn't make those users the target for the box. Lets face it the number of threads in the past about people wanting to buy a Mac Pro because the case styling is nice, but only want to load Windows and Games up on it.

Apple are clearly pushing the Mac Pro upwards with this new one, away from ProSumers and individual Pro Users and more towards Studio's etc where the absence of the built in drive bays isn't an issue as will be be stored centrally on the Big Enterprise SAN.

Either these people will

1.) Keep there existing Mac Pro's as they do the job
2.) Move to Maxxed out iMac's
3.) Go Hackintosh route
4.) Move off OSX and change Platforms.

Even Steve used to say that wasn't trying to target all users, they would concentrate on there target audience, and if that didn't suit you basically tough! You either fit the Apple model or you didn't. Home Users and Gamers do not fit the model, as Apple would target you with an iMac instead.
 

prvt.donut

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Thats because it is now clearly aimed at High End Video Editing.

People doing Gaming and Home Use hasn't been the Target Audience of the Mac Pro. It has however been adopted by people in that market space. However that doesn't make those users the target for the box. Lets face it the number of threads in the past about people wanting to buy a Mac Pro because the case styling is nice, but only want to load Windows and Games up on it.

Apple are clearly pushing the Mac Pro upwards with this new one, away from ProSumers and individual Pro Users and more towards Studio's etc where the absence of the built in drive bays isn't an issue as will be be stored centrally on the Big Enterprise SAN.

Either these people will

1.) Keep there existing Mac Pro's as they do the job
2.) Move to Maxxed out iMac's
3.) Go Hackintosh route
4.) Move off OSX and change Platforms.

Even Steve used to say that wasn't trying to target all users, they would concentrate on there target audience, and if that didn't suit you basically tough! You either fit the Apple model or you didn't. Home Users and Gamers do not fit the model, as Apple would target you with an iMac instead.
I can see the companies using SAN based cluster storage not caring about internal storage.

I never said I dislike the design, in fact I really do like it.

I just wish they would have made it less proprietary, it looks like RAM, storage, CPU and GPU are upgradeable, but with their own card design, we are not talking mass market adoption levels, so that limits upgrades to whatever apple manages to get AMD and Nividia to make (unless apple are going to start making their own boards).
 

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I was just about to post here about hackintoshes. After going though all of Apple's offerings I did not find a single one that meets what I want, even when I made cost was not a factor (well, within reason). This afternoon it hit me ... the ONLY solution for me was a hackintosh so I immediately googled them and am reading stuff on them now.

Way to go Tim. Except for two Amigas every computer I have bought since I got a paper route in the late 70s for an Apple ][ has been by your company. Even with 200 shares there (so buying an Apple device is in my own best interest) I have to put what I need over what you are offering. I am now toying with how to submit a vote of no confidence as a shareholder proposal ... if you can drive me away from your hardware you are NOT headed in the right direction.

Anyone remember when the next computers were always guaranteed to be better? Almost everything I looked at today I could see the next version was going to be worse for what I wanted.
 

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Hackintoshers are Hackintoshers…

Theres not going to be an uptick..
i think there will be an surge in people wanted to hackintosh, followed by apple making it harder to hackintosh because the realize people don't like their new "workstation".

Then it will drop down to normal.

what i really expect to see is a shift from professionals who use to use OSX to using Windows.
 

KaraH

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if youre a hobbyist/hacker and like to tinker with stuff, its a great approach. but for a serious user/professional or company, which is the crowd that fits within Pro's abilities - you just pay more to get the real deal, support and warranty.
Back on topic, hackintohes are good for hobbyists but for a business machine its not the best solution imo
Thanks for confirming I am in the hackintosh target market. :)

While my forte is software I am not blind to hardware. As long as I do not have to build up the hardware and only have to worry about following installer guides I do not see any issues. The old mac pro was a GREAT design. If they put updated stuff in it I would have been happy as I would prefer to have a real mac on my desk.
 

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Thanks for confirming I am in the hackintosh target market. :)

While my forte is software I am not blind to hardware. As long as I do not have to build up the hardware and only have to worry about following installer guides I do not see any issues. The old mac pro was a GREAT design. If they put updated stuff in it I would have been happy as I would prefer to have a real mac on my desk.
There are plenty of sexy cases out there, you just need to look. They won't look like MP's but thats not inherently a bad thing..

I kinda build theme hackintoshes, my HMMWV was good fun and quite fast. I'm going to give it a day or two and make a decision on whether to sell my MP and build again.
 

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I was approached a couple times by a few of the larger systems companies who assemble Mac Pros in the past about Hacks. I refused to get involved.

I may have to give them a second look. We turned flaky "sorta works" GPUs into solid GPUs used by many post houses around the world. I don't have a factory to make new PCBs to conform to Apple's new design so.....
 

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Even Steve used to say that wasn't trying to target all users, they would concentrate on there target audience, and if that didn't suit you basically tough! You either fit the Apple model or you didn't. Home Users and Gamers do not fit the model, as Apple would target you with an iMac instead.

Problem is, if I change platform, I change everything and I'm not likely to be the only one.

The reason I have a MacBook Pro and an iPhone is because my main machine is a Mac Pro.

Windows main machine --> PC laptop --> do I then need an iPhone?

So in a flash I've gone from a full Apple setup to nothing Apple.

But unfortunately, I have to agree.

I just hope and pray there will be a sensible Mac Pro for people like me.
 

theSeb

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Problem is, if I change platform, I change everything.

The reason I have a MacBook Pro and an iPhone is because my main machine is a Mac Pro.

Windows main machine --> PC laptop --> do I then need an iPhone?

So in a flash I've gone from a full Apple setup to nothing Apple.

But unfortunately, I have to agree.

I just hope and pray there will be a sensible Mac Pro for people like me.
Why would you need to change everything though? Surely you can use a Windows workstation and a Mac portable and whatever phone you want. I have left my PC and Macs together in the same room and they did not eat each other. :confused:
 

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Problem is, if I change platform, I change everything and I'm not likely to be the only one.

The reason I have a MacBook Pro and an iPhone is because my main machine is a Mac Pro.

Windows main machine --> PC laptop --> do I then need an iPhone?

So in a flash I've gone from a full Apple setup to nothing Apple.

But unfortunately, I have to agree.

I just hope and pray there will be a sensible Mac Pro for people like me.
This is one of those things that people and I think most especially Apple fail to realize. Once one link in the ecosystem is broken the whole thing is broken. MBP's get switched for razer blades/Think Pads/System 76 and iPhones get traded for HTC's/Samsung/Nexus..
 

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Why would you need to change everything though? Surely you can use a Windows workstation and a Mac portable and whatever phone you want. I have left my PC and Macs together in the same room and they did not eat each other. :confused:
A) Two sets of software to purchase. (Photoshop, InDesign)
B) Poor/non existent iCloud integration on windows.
C) Cost, I pay more to keep everything integrated, but there is a limit.
D) No iMessage on Windows, so might as well use Texts/Facebook.

All of my devices are very tightly nit together and it all 'just works'.

If I need to start using 3rd party software to do what I do now then why use Apple at all?

Although this is all moot if Apple release a sensible configuration option for people like me.
 

Plutonius

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Because, whilst I really like the design of the new Mac Pro, it is for the wrong market, if it had a haswell chipset, and allowed standard PCIe GPU's (crossfire and SLI support also) then I could see it as a prosumer device for home use and gaming .

But as an office/studio work station, it makes little sense.

So I wonder if a lot of people who had been holding out are now looking at custom hackintoshs for their pro needs.
I would think pros would switch to Windows / PC workstation rather than depend on a hackintosh for job use critical computing (i.e. if your job / earnings depend on your computer).
 

ElderBrE

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I was approached a couple times by a few of the larger systems companies who assemble Mac Pros in the past about Hacks. I refused to get involved.

I may have to give them a second look. We turned flaky "sorta works" GPUs into solid GPUs used by many post houses around the world. I don't have a factory to make new PCBs to conform to Apple's new design so.....
Make sure to tell us what companies are using your babies if you go down that route.
 

KaraH

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Problem is, if I change platform, I change everything and I'm not likely to be the only one.

The reason I have a MacBook Pro and an iPhone is because my main machine is a Mac Pro.
With me the major pain would be that my spouse uses an iMac. One guess who provides tech support for it? I need a reference machine.

I am debating the idea of doing the migration in stages. First buy an iMac instead of the new MP since an iMac will do for now. Okay, before everyone jumps up and down read through the rest of my thinking. My ultimate goal will be to move to a linux box. I will then start to do 2 things ... examine my workflow closely (plus determine what linux equivalents I can use) and pick out the perfect linux machine. After buying the linux box the iMac can get re-purposed as a monitor via a dvi-to-displayport cable.

One possible variation is to pick up a linux laptop soonish. In addition to light stuff when I am on-the-road (no need to outfit it as a full desktop) I can use it to test out the things I would do to vary my workload.

So the ultimate goal would be to migrate from macs to linux. Unfortunately I have a feeling that some things will never be possible to migrate but I will find those out as I go along.
 

prvt.donut

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7 Teraflops and 6x Thunderbolt 2 are not for home use and gaming.
I am sure people out there have more powerful Quad SLI gaming rigs.

I was just dreaming that with a few modifications, this would be a great prosumer desktop.

The IT world is changing, small custom modular designs are getting a lot of attention and Apple is a big player with the resources and market share to make it happen.

The master stroke for them would be to release a haswell version of this with modified GTX 7 series GPUs and also use their clout to ensure that manufacturers make new GPUs for this new design (and whilst I'm dreaming, make them sign deals saying that the new Mac form factor cards must retail within 10% of the PCIe cards.

Enabling OSX to make use of crossfire and SLI would be very welcome also.