Hey a lot of these questions have been floating around about whats best value for money. I thought maybe instead of a bunch of one to one comparisons why not have all "4" options of the quad cores refurb in one thread... IMHO I feel it depends on whether you get student discount or not... If you don't the refurb i7 is the best value. It is faster cpu wise and much cheaper than the new i5. I ended up buying the new i5 because I got $100 off then another $200 by selling my itouch I got for free, so that brought the price to $1699, same as the i7 refurb which is at $1699. Now I thought at equal price levels, the i5 barely wins out mainly because I want to use the computer for a little music production and then gaming so the GPU and faster memory was more important, and lets face it I was able to walk in and get it day one and not wait for it to ship. Just wondering what others think. I feel student discount go new, if no discount then hands down you can't beat those prices... I mean processor wise the i7 beats out the i5 by at least 10%-30% (depending on the situation) It seems like we need to wait and get some more solid benchmarks done before we can really figure this out but by then the refurbs may be all gone. My geekbench 32 bit with my i5 was 7100 after a few runs. It seems i7's are getting in the 8000, but geekbench is really HT biased in my opnion. Lastly I know there are some benchmarks floating around I found this one with the new i5 on it... http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5+760+@+2.80GHz P.S I am in love with my new i5... I had an i7 refurb earlier in the year but returned it due to screen and hard drive issues, and decided I could wait. I'm loving having the big screen back!!!