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IBM on Apple/Intel and the G5

Re: Think different

Originally posted by Loopy
In five years time will I have to buy a Windoze PC, Just to "think different" from the rest of the world.
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Windows has had it too easy but the next five years could be interesting. Linux is ramping up in the server market, the Asia-Pacific nations are clubbing together to build a customised Linux-based OS for their desktop machines, and IBM is committed to producing dazzling CPUs for Apple.

I can't wait to see what's in store 😎
 
All I got to say is "yay!" I'm happy Apple was on the ball exploring all options... happier still that they were able to work out something with IBM.
 
I'm just glad to see that Apple chose IBM. I think that it is an excellent decision. The next 5 years should be very bright for Apple.
 
Originally posted by plinkoman
why would you say that? a switch to intel would not mean a swith to x86, it would just mean that intel would make a ppc. this has nothing to do with marklar either, marklar is to run on x86, an intel chip in an apple would be a ppc
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I don't believe Intel has every done outside contract work. 100% of Intel's capacity is devoted to producing Intel products. The idea of them using some of their capacity to make a competing processor for Apple sounds a bit off to me.
 
IBM Loses $ on PCs

I have heard this too - and believe it.
Where IBM REALLY cleans up ios in the Patent area - I think, they really don't care about pc sales - vs what they make on patents -Bob Cringley had a good article on this many months ago
 
Originally posted by daveL
Why? Just because you go to a different CPU doesn't mean you have to throw your frameworks out and start over. Apple would have (and actually did) gotten OS X and the UI framewaorks re-compiled and running on Intel. At that point, the same APIs would be available for Mac applications, which would also, obviously, be re-compiled. That's not to say there wouldn't have been some other changes involved, but certainly not an application rewrite.
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I'm sure all the program written in PPC assembly would just love being ported to intel.
 
Originally posted by johnnowak
I'm sure all the program written in PPC assembly would just love being ported to intel.
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Oh come on. What's still written in assembly in this day and age?
 
Originally posted by DeusOmnis
BTW, it would be cool to dual-boot w/ windows though.
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That would be cool. Would have no reason to own VPC. You could own a gaming machine AND a Mac. That would just be great 😀
 
Originally posted by chadfromdallas
Sorry, I just busted up laughing when I read this.....lol Yea, IBM doesn't make much from them. 🙄
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IBM's PC business loses money, it has for some time. IBM sees it as an important loss leader. Right now, only Dell and Apple are making money selling PCs, whether thy are Macs or Wintels. Money is the driver and I am sure there are many at IBM wondering why they are making money for their competitors Intel and MSFT with every IBM Wintel PC they sell.
 
Originally posted by sedarby
Not to mention the PR nightmare of embracing Intel who they showed in an earlier ad campaign to be slow and cumbersome.
Intel would have to be a last resort. I'm not sure how fond Steve Jobs is of eating crow.

Granted the chip used could quite possibly not be a Pentium 4 but a PowerPC compatible with enhancements thereby alienating the MS loving faction.
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Well, I've seen Steve declaring *the end of the CRT*, while a new generation of eMacs were announced and *the year of the notebook* with no processor upgrades so far. So you could absolutely leave that up to Steve...😎

What strikes me is that everyone seems to think that 'Apple going Intel' should mean, using available Intel processors.
Couldn't it mean Intel developing processors to Apple's taste, so a bit like what IBM did?
 
Originally posted by NoVi
Well, I've seen Steve declaring *the end of the CRT*, while a new generation of eMacs were announced and *the year of the notebook* with no processor upgrades so far. So you could absolutely leave that up to Steve...😎

What strikes me is that everyone seems to think that 'Apple going Intel' should mean, using available Intel processors.
Couldn't it mean Intel developing processors to Apple's taste, so a bit like what IBM did?
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As I mentioned above, Intel doesn't do outside contract work. In particular, why would they use some of their capcity to produce a competing microprocessor for someone else?
 
What happaned to the evil (Blue) empire?

I imagine it's been noted by others many times before, but as a mac user since 1985, I find it strange that Apple would end up seeking rescue from IBM. I still remember well famous Superbowl ad of the evil empire versus the Mac. And I remember when IBM was the enemy much more than M$.

Who could have predicted this??
 
What I do see is how rumors about Apple switching to AMD processor had not any base, considering that AMD hires IBM to build them.
 
Originally posted by daveL
As I mentioned above, Intel doesn't do outside contract work. In particular, why would they use some of their capcity to produce a competing microprocessor for someone else?
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Because it would (or could) mean new profitable business to them. And if they did, it wouldn't be a 'competing' microprocessor anymore, wouldn't it?

But I admit, an Intel PPC would probably not really be interesting, compared to the amount of PC processors Intel produces.
 
Originally posted by chadfromdallas
That would be cool. Would have no reason to own VPC. You could own a gaming machine AND a Mac. That would just be great 😀
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Well, I REALLY have no problem... I have a Mac and a PS2. Happy camper: Comp & games. Cant complain...

Lets sing the new IBM song!

"We love I B M,
So get me a G5 ´n start iTunes,
baby
We love I B M
So come an' boot it up an' cheer with me..."

😉 😀
 
Originally posted by Stike
Well, I REALLY have no problem... I have a Mac and a PS2. Happy camper: Comp & games. Cant complain...

Lets sing the new IBM song!

"We love I B M,
So get me a G5 ´n start iTunes,
baby
We love I B M
So come an' boot it up an' cheer with me..."

😉 😀
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Uh, please don't quit your day job 🙂
 
Now, can we please get on with it?

No question, IBM PPC is the best bet. They have a problem with marketing their technology, but it is really good.

The Apple OS X/IBM partnership may be what it takes to get all those "serious" users off dead center.

Now, when will I be able to get a dual 2 Ghz 750VX ZIF upgrade with velocity engine support for my G3?
 
Originally posted by NoVi
What strikes me is that everyone seems to think that 'Apple going Intel' should mean, using available Intel processors.
Couldn't it mean Intel developing processors to Apple's taste, so a bit like what IBM did?
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yea, thats what i said too, it seems most people think intel automatically means x86. intel would be more then happy to produce a ppc chip for apple, plain and simple, alot more money for them. they already have half(or more) of all pc's with their chips in them, they would love to have that plus all apple chips. infact, i even remember reading an article several months ago where someone from intel said just that.
 
Originally posted by plinkoman
yea, thats what i said too, it seems most people think intel automatically means x86. intel would be more then happy to produce a ppc chip for apple, plain and simple, alot more money for them. they already have half(or more) of all pc's with their chips in them, they would love to have that plus all apple chips. infact, i even remember reading an article several months ago where someone from intel said just that.
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If I'm remembering the same article you are, they said that they think Apple should be using one of their chips. Intel never has, and given the culture, never will produce chips of someone else's design. And PowerPC pretty much fits that bill. I'm certain that Intel would love Apple's business - but it will be on their terms and one of their processors.
 
Originally posted by tduality
Most likely any company in hitech business has (or should have) a long term roadmap.
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Oh, very much agreed. Don't you wish, at least sometimes, that Apple did? Or at least let us see it...

-Richard, still waiting for a powerbook announcement ... any one at all ...
 
I can confirm this

Back in January, I spoke with a close relative -- very close -- who works in IBM upper management. He has seen the four or five year "plan", and tells me simply that Macs will be the fastest or near the fastest computers for a good time. It's just started.

There was some thought of Intel, but it didn't get that far. The IBM offer is just too good.
 
Originally posted by plinkoman
yea, thats what i said too, it seems most people think intel automatically means x86. intel would be more then happy to produce a ppc chip for apple, plain and simple, alot more money for them. they already have half(or more) of all pc's with their chips in them, they would love to have that plus all apple chips. infact, i even remember reading an article several months ago where someone from intel said just that.
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Maybe those of you saying this should read the article you're commenting on:

quote from IBM memo (emphasis mine):
While Intel is aggressive in achieving its performance and speed goals, Apple believed that using Intel would deeply affect its current customer base. Using an Intel architecture might solve Apple's short-term megahertz dilemma, but customers would have to suffer through a slow transition from PowerPC over the long term. Every existing Mac program would potentially have to be recompiled to work on an Intel platform. These massive software changes were something that Apple wanted to avoid, and IBM had the solution."
 
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