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[mischief]

Re: Re: If you spend your whole life living inside the lines....

Originally posted by mymemory


Ok, so you are telling me that would be good to get really hi and there is nothing bad in having sex with your little sister?

Um......at what point did I mention inbreeding, pedophilia and overconsumption as good things?


In my country rave were big about 2 years ago and I knew abou 5 people that went to reabilitation when in my 26 years I didn't know we have such things in my country.

I know guys that were older than me and today they haven't graduate yet and they spend most of the week surfing with the kids.[/QUOTE]

Yep. I know a lot of those losers. I'm not one of them.


Kid, get a real life, spend more time in this planet and you will see why drugs should be illegal. They just don't relate you to the real world.

I had the chance to see the indians down in the frontier with Brazil and they have been like that for at list 700 years, no evolution at all because they spend the entire day getting hi. [/QUOTE]

The tribal cultures of the tropics are stagnant cuz the environment isn't challenging enough to warrant change.


I had tryed pot, ecxtasis, alcohol since I was 14 (we do not have drinking age in Venezuela) and I'm sorry from the people who have to depend of that.

I studied in a multimedia school in Orlando, I saw lost of guys doing 3D animation, very strange and cool things, but any of them were capable to get a job because they couldn't fill out a resume or be at time on work.

I see 30+ guys skate boarding living from their parents.

Becarefull with your ****y comments mischief because ther are kids around here that can take the emptiness of your comments seriously. [/QUOTE]


The point being made was twofold:

1: The "war on drugs" has less to do with morality than economics. If it isn't illegal there's no money in selling or prosecuting.

2: Not all things that are illegal are inherently immoral. It's very dangerous to allow your government to dictate what's right or wrong in such broad strokes. Here in the States there are WAY more folks that are incoherent on PRESCRIBED LEGAL NARCOTICS than Pot. Alcohol is legal and it destroys more lives than Pot. Basically: If you don't trust your own ethics and allow yourself to be led you are no better than a farm animal.

Why do so many people operate under the naive assumption that ALL criminals somehow "pay union dues" to support Terrorists and Pedophiles?

It's just not that simple.

 

[AlphaTech]

How did this degrade into a soap box posting???? Remember the saying 'everything in moderation'????

As for making pot legal, I have never used it, but I know that some people get a better quality of life from it. Before some of you get back up on the soap box, I am speaking of cancer patients, as well as some others. My father used to go over to one of our neighbor's when his back was killing him (he was disabled from it, some days unable to either sit or stand for more then an hour tops). He would come back and raid the fridge. We knew what he was doing, but it made him able to handle the level of pain he was in. He didn't do it often, and only when it was extremely bad. Cases like that, I am for at 100%. When it will make someone's life better for medical reasons, it should be given out.

 

[teabgs]

mymemory: Seriously do you really think that anyone is saying that drugs are good? I sure dont think this is whats going on.

All we're saying is that anything can be bad.Being on the internet can be just as bad and ruin peoples lives more then drugs. I have a friend that spent too much time on the internet looking at porn and he stopped going to class and had to goto an institution for a while.

A little weed now and then isnt going to hurt you. If your an addictive personality youre screwed from birth. YOU WILL BE ADDICTE DTO SOMETHING. it doesnt have to be drugs.

ANYWAY what Im trying to say is that some people can handle it some cant. If people got high instead of druink there would be a lot less RAPE, THEFT, MURDER, CAR ACCIDENTS, FIGHTS, etc.

I can get work done and function normally if Im high, however, when Im drunk I cant do anything. It's not like this is something I do a lot. In fact, I dont drink or smoke very much any more. Every now and then I like to though.


tcolling: " Did you ever stop to think about the people who die solely because YOU are smoking pot? I'm not talking just drug lords, I'm talking policeman, ATF agents, and INNOCENT people caught in the crossfire of the war on drugs. Yes, it does happen, do an internet search and you'll find names of real people that have died. People with kids, brother & sisters, and parents."

WHATEVER. I know for a fact that the weed my friends get is homegrown in the good ol' US of A. Therefore it helps out our own economy. Did you know that kind of stuff happens in new england? WELL IT DOES. A large proportion of marijuana used in the US is not from out of the country

 

[mischief]

Bumper sticker in Santa Cruz mountains:

Fight Terrorism: Buy Local Ganja.

 

[tcolling]

Re: If you spend your whole life living inside the lines....

Originally posted by mischief
Who are you?

Citizen tcolling, you have a lot to learn.

Life spent living inside so many imposed boxes and dogmas is a sad life indeed. Think different. If the Vice laws went away and all this stuff (drugs, prostitution, gambling, etc.) was legal the prices would go down and billions of dollars on both sides of the "War On Drugs" would evaporate. Don't be so naive.

Ah, yes, mischief, proving once again that misquoting or misreading is always a more powerful argument than fact. I NEVER said that drugs should not be legalized, and as a matter of point I said it was highly debatable. (If you don't understand what that means, I will explain it as having merits on both sides of the issue) I haven't even formulized an opinion on whether or not the world would be a better place if marijuana was legalized (by the way, where would you draw the line? Please consider that a rhetorical question not needing an answer).

But what I was stating is that the world would be a better place, and certainly a safer one, if the illegal use of marijuana did not occur. Don't believe me? Here's an example: I think it's easier to get out of your car on the curb side, not the road side. Hmmm, think I should start parking on the left side of the road? Or do you think I should share my ideas with leaders and people who can do something about it, and maybe try and change the driving laws?

And be careful who you tell needs some education. I don't know your age, nor do I know the experiences your life's journey has shown you, but I would venture a guess I have walked many more footsteps on this planet than you, and by the sound of your flame, I much more fully understand the responsibility that goes along with one's choosing of where those footsteps tread.

-Tom

 

[mischief]

-tcolling

You have NO personal experience with any of this do you?

I do.

I'm not some 14 year old debutant either.

I've lived dirt poor and seen some parts of human nature I'd like to forget.

I've been through more **** than most soft US citizens my age will ever learn about. I do not speak from inexperience but direct involvement.

I think it's more irresponsible to pretend it's all as easy to define and change as traffic law than to have a casual habit of local produce I can trace to 3 people I know personally.

I've seen close friends destroy their lives with Alcohol, Pot, Cocaine, Cigarettes, Meth, Ecstacy and/or opiates. Don't talk to ME about lack of context.

My own personal habits are part of my own rituals and I watch them VERY carefully, I certainly know what the warning flags are.

Never assume someone is less knowledgeable just cuz their approach ruffles your feathers.

 

[teabgs]

Re: Re: If you spend your whole life living inside the lines....

Originally posted by tcolling

Here's an example: I think it's easier to get out of your car on the curb side, not the road side. Hmmm, think I should start parking on the left side of the road? Or do you think I should share my ideas with leaders and people who can do something about it, and maybe try and change the driving laws?

-Tom

Thats not a very good analogy. Depending where you live you sit on different sides of the car. And besides you cant compare the possibility of getting hit by a car to smoking pot. Unless youre talking about smoking and then getting hit with a bill at the grocery store.

LAWS ARE FALLIBLE. Remember when slavery was legal? Well, was it right? What about when African-Americans couldnt goto school with white kids? Was that right? I can go on and on about American laws that were not right. The war on drugs isnt to fight marijuana use because its bad for you, its because of economic reasons.

As for drugs, some are very bad. BUt not pot. Except for some rare instances.

 

[tcolling]

Re: Re: Re: If you spend your whole life living inside the lines....

Originally posted by teabgs


Thats not a very good analogy. Depending where you live you sit on different sides of the car. And besides you cant compare the possibility of getting hit by a car to smoking pot. Unless youre talking about smoking and then getting hit with a bill at the grocery store.

LAWS ARE FALLIBLE. Remember when slavery was legal? Well, was it right? What about when African-Americans couldnt goto school with white kids? Was that right? I can go on and on about American laws that were not right. The war on drugs isnt to fight marijuana use because its bad for you, its because of economic reasons.

As for drugs, some are very bad. BUt not pot. Except for some rare instances.

I couldn't agree more. Laws ARE fallible. But didn't we fight (and die) to change slavery? Aren't we attempting to fix the wrongs with the law?

Once again, that is exactly my point. Rather than just breaking the law, CHANGE IT. People die because of the war on drugs, because that is what the law is. You don't have to break the law to change it, but almost everyone who is breaking the law is doing nothing to change it. I don't care if marijuana is not bad for you, I don't care if it's addicting, I care that it is illegal to smoke it, and innocent people die because there are people smoking it illegally. That's it. That's what I'm talking about. Doesn't anyone get it? It doesn't matter where it is grown, or whether or not a warlord or your grandmother profits from it. It matters because people are shedding blood trying to uphold the laws or getting caught in the attempt to uphold the laws of this land.

My analogy was only this: What laws should be obeyed, and what should be ignored?

 

[G4scott]

Come on guys, can't we all just get along?

Now pass the peace pipe :-}~

Seriously guys, if someone is stupid enough to do weed and kill themselves or get caught with it, then too bad for them. It's their fault. If they die, it's just darwinism at work. If some kid thinks that people making jokes about pot makes it cool, and kills himself on his first hit, then too bad for them, he should've known better. I'll make jokes about pot, but i'm not stupid enough to actually handle, or use it. I know people who use it, and it's their choice. I won't interfere with their lives, unless its someone who I care about, or who is a good person caught in the wrong place. I also know idiots, people who could care less about other people, their property, their lives, etc., who use pot and other drugs, and i have no respect for them, so therefore, i'll let them smoke all that they want. Now, i'm not saying that all pot smokers are idiots. I'm just saying that people who do it are taking a very risky chance, and if anything bad happens, then it should be a lesson for others.

Yes, pot can be bad for you

No, i don't use pot

No, i don't care if some stupid people enjoy getting high, just let them do their thing, and if they get out of hand, put them in the slammer for a week or two

Yes, i do care if someone that I know is not a low-life idiot is doing something wrong.

You can call me racist, biased, or whatever the hell you want, but i'm tired of everybody asking for equal rights. This goes beyond pot. People like jesse jackson want to put unqualified people in influential positions just for the benefit of a minority. I am a minority. I am hispanic. If i want a good paying job, or a respectable position, I'm going to earn it. If someone doesn't want to work for something, then they shouldn't have it.

"Against stupidity, the gods themselves contended in vain."

I am tired of the stupidity and lack of common sense in this world. Hear about the lady in texas who killed her children (Yates), well, her husband is suing the doctors that took her off the medication. It's stupidity! Stupid people do stupid things, and smart people do stupid things, but obscenely stupid things, like overdosing on pot, or suing a doctor for taking someone off medication are REALLY FREAKING STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok, that's my rant. now, where's that peace pipe...

P.S. if i contradict myself (which i know i do) you don't have to point it out to me. i know that i don't make sense some times, and if this is one of those times, then live with it.