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Been looking at the specs and prices of PowerPC notebooks lately. I'm narrowing down towards iBook G3 Snow due to:
1. Relatively low price (unlike Clamshell or anything more powerful).
2. Mac OS 9/early OS X releases supported originally. 500MHz model for maximum compatibility?

So my plan is buy one from usedmac.com, add maximum memory and leave the hard drive as is for the time being.

The difficulty of drive replacement is much higher than I expected. I guess it could be done still...
 
I have my Powerbook Pismo and i love it very much. I mainly use it with Os9 and i upgraded it to 500 Mhz.
Replace hard drive and Cpu is very easy.
 
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early OS X releases supported originally.

How early is early? 10.0? Be warned that it will run like crap on a g3 - I had 10.0 on a 500mhz ibook and it was a nightmare.

Another strike against faster g3 ibooks is the radeon failing.

I'd personally go for an (original if 10.0 is wanted) titanium powerbook for these reasons.
 
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Thanks. I know there must be reasons why PowerBook was the high-end line. I wonder is the performance advantage of titanium powerbook mostly comes from L3 cache (for applicable models)?
 
Puma was the first useful release of OSX, although not massively faster than its predecessor. There is a decent amount of applications that were compatible with it, including some games. Cheetah was more like a proof of concept. Very little ran on it apart from stock apps and most if not all users would probably have dual booted with OS9. It cannot be stressed enough that Cheetah is extremely slow and the novelty of it will soon wear off.
 
Been looking at the specs and prices of PowerPC notebooks lately. I'm narrowing down towards iBook G3 Snow due to:
1. Relatively low price (unlike Clamshell or anything more powerful).
2. Mac OS 9/early OS X releases supported originally. 500MHz model for maximum compatibility?
So my plan is buy one from usedmac.com, add maximum memory and leave the hard drive as is for the time being.
The difficulty of drive replacement is much higher than I expected. I guess it could be done still...
The Translucent iBook G3 Snow is IMHO a particularly beautiful looking machine, with a decent and bright display and a great keyboard. So that would be all what can be said and praised about it - if you happen to suffer from anosmia ...
If not, be prepared, that it might sport the most strength smell, you ever encountered on a notebook. Like someone, who didn't see the showers for weeks, and that comes from desintegrating glue beneath the keyboard.
No way to mend that - you just have to bear it, if you ever want to enjoy the beauty of the iBook-G3 Snow.
Great thing: they come out of the box with os9/Panther dual-boot on a single partition.

If you're mainly looking for an os9 machine, the PowerBook-G3s are great. Display is larger, but often dimmer compared to the iBook-G3 Snow. The Wallstreet/PDQ's (coloured Apple-logo) are the missing network-link to simultaneously connect with 68k Macs via LocalTalk and to PPC via Ethernet, but them don't sport USB.
The often worn-out and scatched sticky black case, the bronze-keyboard (Lombard and Pismo, both with white Apple-logo) and the overall aspect do look a bit outdated and they are likewise big & heavy notebooks.
It's close to impossible to find a new battery - if you are happy, you'll get one with a lightweight battery-dummies instead of a ticking bomb of dead Lithium-battery.
Compared to a 300MHz Clamshell, the G3 PB offers a larger screen with higher resolution and more ports. And PowerbookG3 models don't smeel too. But they don't share the attraction of the G3-iBooks (both Clamshell and stinky Snow).

The TiBookG4 is the best and fastest choice for an os9 machine.
The display is great and bright. Certainly the most impressive display of it's time.
The 1GHz model tends to have a constantly loud fan.
They are really thin and light. Despite thin plates of metal cover they are not "full-metal" like the later intel-unibody-MacBookPro, instead of it the frame is made of painted plastic, which tends to peal off after years of usage.
The display hinges might break (but usage of WD40 might prevent that). Batteries are hard to get hands on too.
A machine great for os9, runs Tiger with ease and the faster models can cope with Leopard.
The thin metal sheets often carry bumps, do rattle a bit (like sheet metal toys) and feel somehow brittle compared to their rock-solid unibody-MBP successors.
They also come with Tiger/os9 dual-boot (and Classic) configuration out of the box.

You'll need a WLAN-To-Ethernet brigde to connect to current WLAN-encryptions for all the above mentioned Books or you might use an EdimaxMiniUSB-WLAN-Stick for Tiger or Leopard on the iBookG3 or the TiBookG4.

If I'd only have one choice, I'd go for a TiBookG4 - rather one with a CPU on the slower side, that the 1GHz model, since I don't like the fan's going berserk when there's no software to calm them down.

Just my 2cents.
 
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One outlier you might consider if you can get your hands on it cheaply is the first 17" PowerBook G4, the 1GHz A1013. That can also boot from OS9 with a custom installation disc and unlike its TiBook counterpart stays cool enough for the fan to stay off.
 
The Translucent iBook G3 Snow is IMHO a particularly beautiful looking machine, with a decent and bright display and a great keyboard. So that would be all what can be said and praised about it - if you happen to suffer from anosmia ...
If not, be prepared, that it might sport the most strength smell, you ever encountered on a notebook. Like someone, who didn't see the showers for weeks, and that comes from desintegrating glue beneath the keyboard.
No way to mend that - you just have to bear it, if you ever want to enjoy the beauty of the iBook-G3 Snow.
Great thing: they come out of the box with os9/Panther dual-boot on a single partition.

Wow, thanks for the reminder. I recall saw it probably here:

This makes me a bit curious actually.
Can the chemical keep dispensing the smell after more than 15 years?
If so it'd be pretty impressive ...
 
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Wow, thanks for the reminder. I recall saw it probably here:
This makes me a bit curious actually.
Can the chemical keep dispensing the smell after more than 15 years?
If so it'd be pretty impressive ...
Thanks for linking to that webpage! I should have read it before, especially this one on LowEndMac, linked on that page, before I tried to remove the plastic from beneath the keyboard some years ago, which ended as a real mess and, like the guy on LowEndMac mentioned, the stinking got even worse. I recall the funny story, that my wife made a u-turn back to the showers, as she passed by the commode, where I misplaced crumbled up remnants of that sticky plastic. 😂
A friend of mine successfully applied ozone to the interior of a car he bought 2nd hand, because of an abysmal smell of cigarette smoke. Maybe ozone treatment might have a positive effect on the smelly keyboart too.
That brings me to the idea to get such a little ozone-machine too - to remove odd smell coming from a recent water damage at my office. Gonna place that little stinker-book into that room, when I apply the ozone!

Edit: just ordered the ozone-generator. It's going to arrive on monday. Test-drive (generator & keyboard in a box) will be on monday evening ... I'll Keep you in touch! 🙃
 
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I ended up ordering a clamshell instead. Appears to be an original 300MHz one without any upgrade? I guess I'd go OS 9 only.

Cool. What color is it? I used to have Tiger on my tangerine clamshell, but it ran terribly slow, so I made it OS 9 only. The original 300mhz clamshells can run 8.6 too if it is one of the earlier models (released before OS 9) with a specific ROM version.
 
I ended up ordering a clamshell instead. Appears to be an original 300MHz one without any upgrade? I guess I'd go OS 9 only.
Great choice: both Clamshell and os9!
It's good fun to get os9 & the Clamshell a member of the home-network and partly the Cloud - there's a bunch of good apps for that #9
Have fun!

PS: tried the Ozone generator on my translucent iBook G3 Snow. Both generator and iBook stored in a box for 10min Ozone-treatment. Zero effect on the smell. :confused:
Gonna give it a second try with only the keyboard in the box and the Ozone-flow directed to the plastic cover at it's bottom.
 
How early is early? 10.0? Be warned that it will run like crap on a g3 - I had 10.0 on a 500mhz ibook and it was a nightmare.

Another strike against faster g3 ibooks is the radeon failing.

I'd personally go for an (original if 10.0 is wanted) titanium powerbook for these reasons.
Radeon is not so easy to fail, and the Ti also has flaws, the hinges break, and the video card of some is as problematic as that of ibooks.

The secret is to keep the system clean and with a good quality thermal paste.
 
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I have a 1.2ghz ibook g4 with OS 9, I don't have any compatibility issues

In fact, it's just the motherboard, as its screen and keyboard don't work. I use it connected to my monitor, with a USB keyboard and mouse.
 
Cool. What color is it? I used to have Tiger on my tangerine clamshell, but it ran terribly slow, so I made it OS 9 only. The original 300mhz clamshells can run 8.6 too if it is one of the earlier models (released before OS 9) with a specific ROM version.

The seller says blueberry but the photo looks like graphite to me. Waiting.
 
I have a 1.2ghz ibook g4 with OS 9, I don't have any compatibility issues

In fact, it's just the motherboard, as its screen and keyboard don't work. I use it connected to my monitor, with a USB keyboard and mouse.

At that point I’d go with iMac G4. It is cool to use it that way though.
 
The seller says blueberry but the photo looks like graphite to me. Waiting.

A few years ago I had a "blueberry" clamshell, but it was so old and faded that it looked like graphite.

Nowadays we have more freedom to choose a machine for os9, due to the guys at the macos9lives forum having modified the system strongly, and added compatibility with practically all G4.
 
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