iBook good for documents?

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  1. MatthewLTL macrumors 68000

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    Since I have won the draw for a free copy of Office 2004, It bring up this thread....

    My mother has always enjoyed writing books (although she has never actually published one) I was thinking of getting her a dedicated laptop to write on. I assume that a G3 would work fine for that task.

    Since this would be a dedicated writing computer, I will probably not have anything newer than Panther on it (as that works with Office 2004) and the only time it would be connected to the internet is to install Apple and Office updates. Will she need the Office 2004 plugin that makes it compatible with Office 2011 or (Office 2010 for windows)? I will get the cheapest, lowest spec Mac i can that meets the requirements

    What are the requirements for Office 2004?
     
  2. Zotaccian macrumors 6502a

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    iBook G3's might have smelly keyboard which will definetely make them bad for long or even short writing sessions. Smell is because the glue on the keyboard. Some of them might not have this issue, but many of them do. The smell is so bad it may cause headaches.

    iBook G4's don't have this problem.

    Best keyboard I have used was in Thinkpad T41 (I think it was T41, Pentium M CPU etc)...
     
  3. poiihy macrumors 68020

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    The Clamshell ones are probably the best for this use. Rather expensive though. In this case, a snow iBook is the next best thing.

    As for requirements:
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/871018

    So according to this you can use any G3, but this does not tell how well it would run.
     
  4. bunnspecial macrumors 603

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    The overwhelming stench of body odor coming from the keyboard on my iBook G3 makes me not want to use it for very long.

    A clamshell is good, although someone use to using newer computer would probably find the 800x600 screen cramped(I know I do!).

    My personal suggestions would be either a late Powerbook G3(Lombard or Pismo model) or a Titanium Powerbook G4.
     
  5. poiihy macrumors 68020

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    That's true... so a Clamshell is the best in nearly every way except screen size and price. It's portable (carrying handle :D ), it's nice looking, it's rugged(ish) (or rugged(ish) looking). But the small screen is a major con so it may not be such a good idea.
    Would it be more stationery or would it be carried around a lot and used outdoors and stuff?
     
  6. bunnspecial, Mar 4, 2015
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    BTW, I don't know the requirements for Office 2004 but do know that Office 2008 will run on a G3 and OS X Tiger. This is actually lower than the "official" specs for it(I think it calls for a G4 for sure, and maybe Leopard) but there are no built-in checks that stop it from being installed on software that doesn't meet the official requirements.

    I have it running on my 600mhz iMac G3, Pismo, 800mhz iBook, and a B&W tower-all under Tiger. It's a bit laggy, but works.

    If 2008 will do that, I see no reason why 2004 won't run on any of the hardware that has been tossed around . I'll pull out my 2004 retail box afterwhile and see what it lists as the requirements.

    Office X is also a good alternative for lower spec hardware.

    EDIT:

    I just pulled out my retail box, and it lists the following:

    G3 or better processor
    OS X 10.2.8 or later
    256mb of RAM

    This means that every factory G3 equipped computer with the exception of the "Kanga" G3 Powerbook is capable of running Office 2004, since all(except for that model) can run 10.2.8 and can take 256mb or more of RAM.

    As I'm also a big advocate of OS 9 on G3 hardware, I'll also put in a plug for Office 2001. And, for pure word processing, there's always Word Perfect 3.5E. When Corel discontinued development of WP Mac in '97 or so, they actually released it as a free, unlimited download so you can legally get it for free. It's no longer on Corel's website, but is on Macintosh Garden.
     
  7. A.Goldberg macrumors 68000

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    I thought you were getting her desktop that would be able to handle games? That should also be more than enough to handle word processing.
     
  8. MatthewLTL thread starter macrumors 68000

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    I dont have a version of office for windows. We have been talking about getting her an old laptop for dedicated word processing for years Got a replacement desktop already :)
     
  9. poiihy macrumors 68020

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    oh you DID? :D What did you get?
     
  10. A.Goldberg macrumors 68000

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    I was just always was under the impression...
    If you're buying these computers it seems more logical just to spend all the money on a desktop or a laptop and get the best your can afford rather than buy two mediocre systems. Personally I'd stay away from the snow iBooks. Having used them in the past when they were new, they were not very powerful compared to other things at the time and they never seemed particularly reliable. If you insist on buying a laptop I think you'd be better off with a PowerBook G4 or MacBook. A G4 shouldn't cost too much more than an iBook.

    What is the desktop replacement?
     
  11. redheeler, Mar 4, 2015
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    Clamshells have a rather low-res screen, as I discovered back when mine still worked. They're also underpowered compared to later model iBooks and very bulky/heavy, although the bulk is the reason they're so rugged.

    To the OP I would recommend an iBook G4. Although I do have a copy of Office 2004 I prefer to run iWork '09 on mine and it runs great.
     
  12. MatthewLTL thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Dell Inspiron 430 mini tower

    2.2GHz AMD Semptron 64 Single core Socket AM2 (it did not take my Athlon 64 2.4GHz upgrade at all)
    maxed the ram out at 4GB DDR2 667 (3.25GB usable)
    nVIDIA nForce 430 chipset and nVIDIA GeForce 6100 intergrated graphics

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    a laptop for word processing does not NEED to be vary powerful
     
  13. A.Goldberg macrumors 68000

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    In that case buy an electronic typewriter.

    Yes I am saying they were SLUGGISH back when they were NEW for regular tasks, i.e. word processing. They're not as well BUILT as the PowerBooks and in my experience have lots of ISSUES. I'd be HESITANT to buy a used laptop in GENERAL just BECUSE they have more ISSUES and you can pretty much GUARANTEE the battery WON'T work. If you WANT BATTERY life, you'll HAVE to DROP some $$ for THAT.

    I think you're BETTER OFF getting an POWERBOOK G4 > iBook G4 > iBook G3. If you CAN afford a 15" PB G4, I would go with that SINCE you said your mom is nearly BLIND. The PowerBook G4's HAVE the BEST KEYBOARDS EVER made. There is the 14" iBook, but the RESOLUTION is the SAME as THE 12" WHICH is KIND of a WASTE IMO.

    Congrats on acquiring a new computer for your mom. It's very nice and generous of you to do that for her. Personally I would have just taken all the money and spent it on one good computer, modern computer than shuffling around these older things.
     
  14. bunnspecial, Mar 4, 2015
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    This^^

    I just finished installing Tiger and Office 2008 on my Clamshell-mostly as proof of concept.

    Typing on it can be frustrating and laggy.

    On the other hand, Word Perfect in OS 9 on the same hardware is great!

    Agreed on the Powerbook G4 being a better choice. Subjectively, I find the Aluminum keyboards a little more pleasant to type on, although the Ti keyboards(which are actually fairly similar to the PB G3 and various iBook keyboards) are not bad.

    I'm in agreement on the 14" iBook being a waste for most people, however I suspect it would actually be somewhat better for someone with vision problems(as the OP has stated that his mom has). Yes, the resolution is the same as the 12", but what that means is that same document at the same magnification will be larger on the 14" than the 12". I think I can say that most folks with relatively normal vision would prefer to get more working area when moving up to a larger screen, but if vision is an issue the larger size is advantageous.

    Our ordering/book keeping person in the front office at school is legally blind. He has a HUGE flatscreen monitor on his desk-I'm not sure of the exact size, but it's probably 36" or so. I don't know the exact resolution he runs it at, but I'd guess it's about normally about 640x480(he does zoom in and out while working). It hurts my eyes to look at his computer screen :) , but he does a great job and it's what he needs to do to get his job done. I just avoid getting pulled into watching a Youtube video on his computer :)
     
  15. MatthewLTL thread starter macrumors 68000

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    It was actually a free computer. My Grandfather bought if at a garage sale this past summer for $15 because the person said it didnt have enought RAM and wouldnt take more. It can take 4GB RAM (it had 2GB and thanks to the dead PDS computer i had 4 more) Windows only sees 4GB but says only 3.25 is usable. It's a full PCIe ready system (minus the PCIe power plug on the PSU)

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    I think you're BETTER OFF getting an POWERBOOK G4 > iBook G4 > iBook G3. If you CAN afford a 15" PB G4, I would go with that SINCE you said your mom is nearly BLIND. The PowerBook G4's HAVE the BEST KEYBOARDS EVER made. There is the 14" iBook, but the RESOLUTION is the SAME as THE 12" WHICH is KIND of a WASTE IMO.[/QUOTE]

    [QUOTE}Agreed on the Powerbook G4 being a better choice. Subjectively, I find the Aluminum keyboards a little more pleasant to type on, although the Ti keyboards(which are actually fairly similar to the PB G3 and various iBook keyboards) are not bad.

    I'm in agreement on the 14" iBook being a waste for most people, however I suspect it would actually be somewhat better for someone with vision problems(as the OP has stated that his mom has). Yes, the resolution is the same as the 12", but what that means is that same document at the same magnification will be larger on the 14" than the 12". I think I can say that most folks with relatively normal vision would prefer to get more working area when moving up to a larger screen, but if vision is an issue the larger size is advantageous.

    Our ordering/book keeping person in the front office at school is legally blind. He has a HUGE flatscreen monitor on his desk-I'm not sure of the exact size, but it's probably 36" or so. I don't know the exact resolution he runs it at, but I'd guess it's about normally about 640x480(he does zoom in and out while working). It hurts my eyes to look at his computer screen :) , but he does a great job and it's what he needs to do to get his job done. I just avoid getting pulled into watching a Youtube video on his computer :)[/QUOTE]

    how much do the 17 in PBG4s go for? I have seen some but they seem so expensive!
     
  16. A.Goldberg, Mar 4, 2015
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    Check eBay. You could probably find one for $100-$150, maybe less. I almost got one for $40, but the guy selling it decided to give it to his young nephew instead. The 15" version is far more prevalent.

    I sent you a message on Skype- my buddy has a 1.33ghz 15" PB G4 he might want to sell.
     
  17. bunnspecial macrumors 603

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    I paid about $155(USD) including shipping from Canada for my A1139(last generation DLSD 17"). It came with an Apple branded charger, and an Apple battery that lasts about 45 min-1 hour in use. The seller ended up refunding me some money, as there was a screen defect that they didn't disclose and was just barely visible in the photographs. In the end, it cost me about $120 USD.

    I also put an SSD in it, which was another $60 or so.

    If you don't hold out for the A1139(that's what I specifically wanted) you can probably get down to the $75-100 range for a good working one. The pre-A1139 G5s have a resolution of 1440x900, which is similar to the 15" DLSD(A1138) and was the same as was used on the pre-retina 15" Macbook Pros(except for the BTO high-res versions).
     
  18. gooser macrumors 6502

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    i also don't have the best eyesight in the world and the resolution on a 14" ibook is just perfect for me.
     
  19. MatthewLTL thread starter macrumors 68000

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    her eyesight is actually better than mine. Her 19" LED Backlit VGA AOC monitor is like 3 feet away from where she sits and she can see it fine (abit making fonts bigger for the system) whereas my eMac sits about 1 foot away from me and i have to zoom it in by 200x to see much of anything
     
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    Let me know if you need a copy of Office for Windows. My buddy has a few to sell.
     
  21. MatthewLTL thread starter macrumors 68000

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    I actually got a copy of Office 2003 Pro and 2007 Pro i just lost the keys
     
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    He has the keys if needed. PM Me if you want me to find out about it.
     
  23. Goftrey, Mar 5, 2015
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    Skip the laptop and get a nice mechanical keyboard.

    Don't buy extra entities just for the sake of it. It'll end up costing you more in the long run. If you've recently spent money on buying her a nice desk setup then accompanying that with a nice keyboard if an infinitely better option.

    Being sat at a desk, in an ergonomic chair, typing on a solid keyboard with a larger display is much healthier than being hunched over a laptop for hours on end.
     
  24. MatthewLTL thread starter macrumors 68000

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    right now shes using the IBM/Lenovo USB NetVista keyboard she likes the feel its just a bit too heavy for her
     
  25. A.Goldberg macrumors 68000

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    It's not like there aren't plenty of other options out there. IBM Thinkpad's have excellent keyboards- I'm not sure if the NetVista is similar, but I can understand it feeling too heavy. I still think investing in the desktop is the better option.

    I'm not sure if you used an iBook G3 keyboard. They are very "light" I guess but in my opinion they're way too light and most people I know don't particularly like them. They really just don't have a quality feel to them, lack good control, and if you don't hit the button squarely in the center the keys bind up.
     

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