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What 60GB Toshiba 2.5" 7200rpm - can only find 50GB ???

Stolid said:
Do exactly what he said -- pricewatch the terms 7200 2.5
www.pricewatch.com
SEARCH field is at the top
7200 2.5" toshiba
comes up with 60GB Hitachi/IBM but NOTHING for Toshiba!
What 60GB Toshiba 2.5" 7200rpm - can only find 50GB ??? 😕

Why keep ASKING the same QUESTION? 😕
Simply ANSWER the question with a specific URL 🙁
 
MacRAND said:
7200 2.5" toshiba
comes up with 60GB Hitachi/IBM but NOTHING for Toshiba!
What 60GB Toshiba 2.5" 7200rpm - can only find 50GB ??? 😕
yeah that's it, the 50gb drive. I'm not sure if I said it was 60gb or not in an earlier post. Actually, I didn't notice until right now that it was only 50gb. Oh well i'm not that close to full on my 30gb. 20 - 30 gb doesn't really matter to me as I'm sure i'll get a new PB by the time it gets near full. I'm more concerned about performance. Anyone hear anything?
-Kevin

MacRand, did you get a chance to benchmark your system before / after the upgrade? I'm really curious about the speed boost... I can't wait! I just need to decide on the drive.
 
Speed Boost from 4200 rpm to 7200 about 40%

spaceballl said:
yeah that's it, the 50gb drive. I'm not sure if I said it was 60gb or not in an earlier post. Actually, I didn't notice until right now that it was only 50gb. Oh well i'm not that close to full on my 30gb. 20 - 30 gb doesn't really matter to me as I'm sure i'll get a new PB by the time it gets near full. I'm more concerned about performance. Anyone hear anything?
MacRand, did you get a chance to benchmark your system before / after the upgrade? I'm really curious about the speed boost... I can't wait! I just need to decide on the drive.
Kevin
It's about a 38 to 42% boost. More than anything else, everyone who puts the Hitachi/IBM 7200 60GB drive into their BOOK says the same thing, "It just feels so much more solid, more responsive, and FAST." This is especially true when moving up from 4200 to 7200, but the difference from 5400 is very noticible too.

Unless Apple makes it an upgrade option, get whatever Apple gives you, pay $212 for the Hitachi and stick that sucker in. You can get a $49 USB 2 aluminum enclosure, or a $119 (now only $99 @ DrBot) Wiebetech FireWire800 & USB 2 box to put the old drive in. The main reason for going FW800 is looking ahead into the future by a few years when FW800 will be the SLOW interface 😉
http://www.DrBott.com
Ask yourself how long you expect to keep your toys. 😛
 
yah I can imagine that it just feels so much faster by practically doubling the speed of the HD, especially cuz mac os x caches to the disk so much. I'm just curious if anyone has actual benchmarks just to satiate my curiosity. I'll probably do it myself when i get the drive. I just have to decide which one I want 🙂.
-Kevin
 
Seagate First -- Savvio 2.5-Inch, 10K RPM Enterprise Disc Drive 36 or 73 GB

spaceballl said:
yah I can imagine that it just feels so much faster by practically doubling the speed of the HD, especially cuz mac os x caches to the disk so much. I'm just curious if anyone has actual benchmarks just to satiate my curiosity. I'll probably do it myself when i get the drive. I just have to decide which one I want 🙂.-Kevin
Kevin, our G3 iBooks would NOT know what to do with a 10,000rpm 36GB or 72GB Hard Drive ported to a with an interface option of - Fibre Channel, Ultra320 SCSI and SAS.

Maybe when the G5 PowerBooks come out, depending upon their interface and configuration, the Savvio might be a viable option IF
you have $500 to $1,000 to spend on an over-kill drive for a laptop. They won't even be out until the start of Summer, and they will be priced at Introduction Prices, not tried & true possibly over-stocked we made millions of them how many do you want - prices.

But, you weren't really talking about the Seagate, were you?

Your choice is between the 50GB Toshiba, which will meet your needs very satisfactorily, and the 60GB Hitachi/IBM. So, if the Hitachi costs $212 street price and is 20% larger than the Toshiba, can you find your Toshiba for $176.66 including S&H? (That's $3.53 for each GB, when a full-size drive is only about $1 per GB)
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Try as I may, I could not find the 50GB Toshiba anywhere for any price, but I did find a $212 60GB Toshiba 2.5" Hard Drive - only problem is it's 4200 rpm, and they want another $9 for shipping; the dealer rated it for popularity ** out of 5. He only has 2 in stock.
http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomf...remove_url=http://www.rjross.com/harddrv.html
 

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iBooks are still too ice cool for words, especially dollar for dollar.

spaceballl said:
Here are the two drives i'm deciding between:
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=AA25180
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/skusearch.hmx?&scriteria=AA22680
Price isn't an issue and neither is capacity. I'm interested in power drain, noise, and speed. I can't find any info.
-Kevin
Speed is my bigger concern, but 8mb more cache doesn't necessarily mean a faster drive. There are so many components. I wish i could find some performance numbers.
For you and your needs, what kind of speed is a factor, crunching numbers or moving data? Answering that question should help you decide on the efficacy of 8 vs. 16 MB cache.

Thanks for the URLs. Congratulations, you found your Toshiba 50Gb with 16 MB cache (highest I've ever seen), which by GB : $ is not even in the same ballpark with the Hitachi, but the extra size Cache has to be it's saving grace. How are you going to benchmark the differences in cache, as applied to your computer use?

So, is it worth it to you to overpay in $$ per GB just so you can get double the amount of cache from 8 to 16? Hard to answer - up to you.

Unlike you, I'm starting to push the limit of my 30GB drive and need to double the size to 60. And, I don't do anything on my iBook that demands that much cache. Disc rotation speed will help in startup / shutdown and CPU intensive tasking. Having roots in a 16MHz MacLC in 1991, I know my Dual 1GHz G4 is really fast enough for everything except occasional video editing and DVD burning. I don't game...except Solitaire using Ultimate from DeltaTao.com. So getting a G5 is a pure luxury I would WANT far more than I really NEED.
From a practical standpoint, the same is true with my G3 iBook - max RAM, perfect pixel LCD, good AirPort reception, a faster, larger Hard Drive, what else could a guy want...or, need!

And, at $600 in realistic value (even "replacement"), if it gets lost or stolen, I buy a new one and move on with my life. If (when) I max out a 15" PB and BTO, that's $3,000+ tied up in a 1" wider screen, and superb good looks and performance. 😀

iBook owners
have 90% (loose statistics) of what a PB owners really USE day-to-day, and without 5x the cost. Would I like to have all the added capability including a "built-in SuperDrive" and FW800? Sure...I just don't feel comfortable dumping a fully functional $600 G3 iBook that does everything I need it to do, for a $3,000 mobile dream machine.
WANT vs. NEED. I have exactly what I NEED. How about you?

Now, when the 2nd generation G5 PowerBook comes along boasting 6-hour batteries and built-in color laser printer (I can dream can't I ?), and FinalCut Pro 6 is out, maybe it will be time. Yes, it will absolutely be time. In the meantime, I love the size and capability of my G3 iBook, and the way PC and Mac users look at it with admiration (except, of course, Mac PB G4 owners - because they do have a right to be proud in their books).

Because S&H is FREE with NewEgg.com and ZipZoomFly.com, shipping costs put MWAVE $5 on the "high side" on purchase of a Hitachi drive.

I am totally content to keep on keeping on with my current iBook until just the right moment, when moving up to a new PB will feel sooooo perfect. 😎
 
So... I decided to go with the 16mb cache drive just because of the following:
1. I like trying things that people haven't tried before
2. I need some more HD space, but once 20 - 30 gigs more is really the same to me. I just need like 10 more so the difference in size is negligible.
3. I favor speed over capacity.

Wish me luck!!!

just ordered it.

-Kevin
 
spaceballl said:
So... I decided to go with the 16mb cache drive just because of the following:
1. I like trying things that people haven't tried before
2. I need some more HD space, but once 20 - 30 gigs more is really the same to me. I just need like 10 more so the difference in size is negligible.
3. I favor speed over capacity.

Wish me luck!!!

just ordered it.

-Kevin


Post back on how it works. Thats the drive I'm planning on upgrading to when I fill my 30 Gig up (only have 10 Gig free now).

lasuther
 
Hitachi / IBM Travelstar 7200 rpm 60 GB hard drive

Fat Tony said:
I'd like to hear how the new drives are running. I'm having serious thoughts of doing the upgrade.
The Travelstar runs FAST, cool, smooth, and quietly. Although I installed it myself, had a problem I had to get repaired by Apple Tech, otherwise, everything is excellet. Very VERY impressed with net speed, snappy, responsiveness. Kind of like putting a smooth V-10 engine in a VW Bug - OH, the power.
The difference for my iBook, is that I hardly notice it is there.

Put old HD in 2.5" enclosure by Wiebetech bought from DrBott
http://www.DrBott.com
 
MacRAND said:
The Travelstar runs FAST, cool, smooth, and quietly. Although I installed it myself, had a problem I had to get repaired by Apple Tech, otherwise, everything is excellet. Very VERY impressed with net speed, snappy, responsiveness. Kind of like putting a smooth V-10 engine in a VW Bug - OH, the power.
The difference for my iBook, is that I hardly notice it is there.

Put old HD in 2.5" enclosure by Wiebetech bought from DrBott
http://www.DrBott.com


MacRand-- Did you wind up videotaping the entire "procedure"? Did it help you in your time of crisis? What was the problem you encountered along the way? Do you still have the HD replacement tech-guide that you asked for? I am seriously contemplating this and your lengthy discussions in this thread have made me more aware of my need vs. want issues. Would you be willing to provide said tech-guide? Thanks for all of your info... I am happy to hear the drive has not fried your mobo.

🙂
 
Apple Tech should install hard drive in iBook or PowerBook

keysersoze said:
MacRand-- Did you wind up videotaping the entire "procedure"? NO

Did it help you in your time of crisis? DIGITAL PHOTOS WERE SOME HELP BUT THE CAMERA I HAD AT THE TIME WAS A BOX KODAK AND DID NOT FOCUS PROPERLY, SO IMAGES WERE OF MARGINAL VALUE TO ME

What was the problem you encountered along the way?
IN THE END, I DISCOVERED I HAD PULLED FLAT CABLE LEADING FROM TOUCHPAD TO MOTHERBOARD OUT, HAD TO PAY TO GET IT SOLDERED BACK INTO MOBO, WORKS FINE NOW.
NOW BUILT-IN MICROPHONE DOES NOT WORK, NO CLUE WHY???

Do you still have the HD replacement tech-guide that you asked for?
NEVER BOUGHT ONE FOR $10 SUPPOSEDLY AVAILABLE ON EBAY.
OTHER INSTRUCTIONS ONLY MILDLY HELPFUL.

I am seriously contemplating this and your lengthy discussions in this thread have made me more aware of my need vs. want issues.
Would you be willing to provide said tech-guide? YES IF I HAD ONE, BUT I DON'T. CHECK WITH
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com
AND SEE WHAT YOU CAN FIND CURRENTLY.
Thanks for all of your info. 🙂
END RESULT IS iBOOK CASE NO LONGER FITS SUPER TIGHT, IT'S OK BUT LOOSE BECAUSE I TORE IT APART AND IT'S NO LONGER IN ORIGINAL CONDITION.
I'M OK WITH THIS BECAUSE THE 700MHZ iBOOK IS OLD.
I WOULD NOT DO THIS MYSELF TO A NEW G4 iBOOK OR POWERBOOK, I'D PAY A TECH.

I did have fun tearing it apart, seeing how it's put together and how it works and all fits together, got most of the screws back in the right holes (had 3 left??? and had to get 1 new screw I knew I needed).
I don't regret spending the half day doing it, but
I'd pay to have it done on any new PowerBook or iBook.
My combo drive was already partially defective and I had hoped to improve it, but it's unchanged.

What did I learn?
1. Apple should make this Hitachi/IBM Travelstar 7200rpm/60GB drive available as a BTO option because it really works great and has significantly improved the operation of my iBook on a daily basis without burdening the battery.
2. Adding this drive is a significant improvement.
3. Pay a qualified Apple Tech to install it for you.

POST SCRIPT:
This is a very VERY popular subject and procedure.
Besides what you see online within this thread, I've received numerous emails & private messages on the subject, which is why I've become so open about my difficulties, successes, and experience.
It's embarrassing to admit failure... falling short of perfection, even though the installation and current operation is proving to be a success.

I am not a techie, I'm a retired attorney who loves computers and is somewhat mechanically inclined, and unbelievably curious and adventurous, and sometimes reckless. I knew I could do the installation, but I was always worried about damaging the mobo, a circuit, a wire, or stripping a thread, or missing a screw. I did ok. I would not do it again to a Mac I treasured because now I know how lucky I was to do it as well as I did.

If you do this, you will need some jeweler's tools - Sears has an excellent set of 12 tiny screwdrivers for only $20 Craftsman 12 pc. Screwdriver Set, Micro Tech Precision with Storage Pouch
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I also used a small magnetic tipped Phillips screwdriver to retrieve screws from difficult places and to help start them back in their holes, and was very careful about what I touched the magnetic tip to.

I should have had a Jeweler's magnifying glass headset to see better because everything is so microscopic
 
MacRAND said:
END RESULT IS iBOOK CASE NO LONGER FITS SUPER TIGHT, IT'S OK BUT LOOSE BECAUSE I TORE IT APART AND IT'S NO LONGER IN ORIGINAL CONDITION.
I'M OK WITH THIS BECAUSE THE 700MHZ iBOOK IS OLD.
I WOULD NOT DO THIS MYSELF TO A NEW G4 iBOOK OR POWERBOOK, I'D PAY A TECH.

How loose does your case fit? I did this swap today and my case looks like the day I bough it; plus or minus a few minor scuffs from regular use before the swap. I found the swap to be painless, and took approx 2.5 hours. Maybe I was less frightened to attach the project?!? Everything works great and I would highly recommend this to anyone. . . . . if your local I would even do it for you for a minor cost.

One question for MacRAND: did you notice that your wristpad became slightly warmer after the upgrade? I am trying to figure out if its just my imagination. . . . .
 
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