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Will this be a functional replacement for iDisk? Will we be able to upload and download arbitrary files?
 
i think that we may be missing the point of all this. iCloud is not a backup service, and in fact it is very similar to the previous mobile me which they charged for. now it's free and people are complaining? i don't get it. 5GB is a good amount of storage for keeping those documents that you need on the fly.

Documents don't even count towards the 5GB!!!:rolleyes::eek::apple:
 
Every 5 GB over the first 5 GB costs $10. I don't necessarily think that is a bad deal, but it seems like there would be some sort of discount for buying in volume. For instance, if you spring for the extra 50 GB, it only costs $8 per 5 GB.

Either that, or just sell extra space as needed. Once you use up your 5 free GB, it asks you if you want to expand, then every additional 5 GB you fill, it charges you $10.

Oh well, I didn't really expect to use iCloud anyway. I'm not really complaining, just presenting options.
 
When you sign up for iCloud, you automatically get 5GB of free storage. And that’s plenty of room, because of the way iCloud stores your content. Your purchased music, apps, and books, as well as your Photo Stream, don’t count against your free storage. Since your mail, documents, Camera Roll, account information, settings, and other app data don’t use as much space, you’ll find that 5GB goes a long way.
LOL.

They obviously don't know me.
 
Awesome!! I think the 20GB is more than enough for most single or double users. But the higher packages would be for families.
 
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To call this storage.. Your iTunes library? is a stretch. Photos i doubt its unlimited. Apple will store what amounts to an xtml file of music but Not "your" music. They are now charging more for storage than for mobile me the way I read it
 
if all the devices are yours, you are sharing the data between them. why would you have different data on all 3 devices?

If I want to backup to iCloud, it doesn't 'share' the space. In fact, I have to turn most things off of the backup on my iPad if I want to backup to iCloud without it hitting the limit. My iPhone 4 takes about 4 gigs, the iPad wants 1.3.

i think that we may be missing the point of all this. iCloud is not a backup service, and in fact it is very similar to the previous mobile me which they charged for. now it's free and people are complaining? i don't get it. 5GB is a good amount of storage for keeping those documents that you need on the fly.

The backup to iCloud option in settings tells me it's a backup service.
 
I have an iPhone 4 32GB on iOS 5 beta 4. I can tell you all for a fact that 5GB isn't enough to back up all my data. Every morning when I wake up it says "Not enough storage. This iPhone cannot be backed up because there is not enough iCloud storage available (Close) (Settings)" so iCloud Free is essentially worthless if you actually want to backup your stuff. Forget the fact that I have an iPad 2 that can't use any of my iCloud at all because my iPhone overflows the free amount. You should at the very least get 5GB per device that you own. Making an iCloud account for each iOS device I own seems very un-Apple like as nothing would be in sync, defeating the purpose. Only separate iCloud account that makes sense is my wife's. Can we link iCloud accounts so we can share my larger paid storage?

I predict this iCloud thing is going to be confusing and upset a lot of people. Especially since everyone's iTunes account will be separate, unless they didn't ever buy a thing until they got a .Mac or MM account which is automatically an Apple ID and will be converted into iCloud. That or you'd have to rebuy everything you've ever purchased with Apple to keep them all on a single account. Again, very un-Apple like. Using AppShopper to get everything on sale, I probably have the equivalent of over $1000 spent on the App Store. I'm never going to rebuy that stuff! Not to mention music or shows.

If only I had a single, simple unified account to use on all my Apple devices. My iPhone 4 was $300, our iPad 2 was $600, my wife's iPod Touch was $230, and my Macbook Pro was $2500. Apple, make it happen! They should just work together with one account. I've paid enough! It should be easy for us.
 
Can somebody explain what this storage would be used for? As I understand it the iCloud doesn't actually store media, it just keeps track of what iTunes media you own. Is that accurate? If so, why would anybody need more than 5gb. of storage for their calendar, contacts, and pages documents?

Apps themselves don't count against your limit, but any documents or other data created by the apps and stored in the cloud DO count. In fact there are two ways that a given app can create data that will count against your 5GB limit:

1. You create documents that are stored in the cloud and shared with other devices.
2. You allow the app's data to be backed up to the cloud as part of your device's backup.

Note that these two things ARE different. Any app can take advantage of #2, whether or not it explicitly has any iCloud support, but #1 is a feature that must be built into the app by the developer.

To call this storage.. Your iTunes library? is a stretch. Photos i doubt its unlimited. Apple will store what amounts to an xtml file of music but Not "your" music. They are now charging more for storage than for mobile me the way I read it

Apple has been very clear about what is or isn't actually stored in your iCloud space, and what counts against your limit. This service is superior to MobileMe and it's free.
 
BILLBOARD BIZ:


Apple's iCloud Launches In Beta, New Pricing and App Info Revealed

August 01, 2011
By Antony Bruno, Denver

Late Monday afternoon, Apple flipped the switch on its iCloud.com domain name, revealing a few key bits of information that was previously unknown.

For starters, the pricing is fully listed for the first time. Under the iCloud storage locker plan, the first 5 GB will be free, after which upgrades can be bought -- 10 more GB ($20 per year), 20 more GB ($40 per year), and 50 more GB ($100 per year).

As originally outlined in the iCloud announcement earlier this summer, those storage tiers don't apply to any content purchased within iTunes. All that content is added to the iCloud for free.

Another tidbit confirmed is the fact that there will be iCloud-specific apps. According to the site, there will be new Web apps for email, calendar contacts and other functions.

The site is meant for iOS and MAC Developer Program members, so they can start updating their apps (or create new ones) with iCloud-ready features, primarily for synching content between the cloud and multiple Apple-made devices. However, Apple put the site live with no corresponding release, or even mention on its developer website. Apple enthusiast blog 9to5mac.com first noticed the addition.

The full functionally of the iCloud service won't be available until later this year when iOS 5 is available to all Apple devices.
 
Pretty simple if you ask me. I think the number of devices you own will be irrelevant. I think it will just be 5GB per Apple ID, period.
 
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Can someone explain how this works along with ITunes match? Will the $25 fee make it so my non-iTunes music will then appear as if it was purchased thru iTunes and therefore not count against my 5gb limit?
 
Can someone explain how this works along with ITunes match? Will the $25 fee make it so my non-iTunes music will then appear as if it was purchased thru iTunes and therefore not count against my 5gb limit?

The only music that will count against your 5GB limit are songs that iTunes Match is unable to match and therefore must upload to your iCloud space.
 
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Yeah, I'm kind of confused. I used tonuse MobileMe (and still do), with iDisk as a backup for home files/movies. Can I do this with iCloud? I don't need or want it all synced between my families iDevices. Do i have to create a new Apple id? Also, do you have to have Lion? I have a three-month old mini that will be Snow Leopard for quite some time. Sorry for the ignorance?
 
This is what I'm saying. I'm my family, we have 10 iOS devices on our account. Why should we pay more for the same amount of space. I'm not even asking for 50gb of free space. Just a few 'buy this and get some space for free' promotions would make me happy.

Could you not just set up an iCloud account for each individual user? That way you'd all get 5GB of space.
 
We'd then have to rebuy all the individual apps, right?

As it exists now, your iCloud account and your store account are two different things (although they both can be your Apple ID). So if everyone's devices use the same store account but different iCloud accounts, they can all have the same apps and music. The down side is that you can't share or sync data across the different iCloud accounts (at least not yet).
 
As it exists now, your iCloud account and your store account are two different things (although they both can be your Apple ID). So if everyone's devices use the same store account but different iCloud accounts, they can all have the same apps and music. The down side is that you can't share or sync data across the different iCloud accounts (at least not yet).

I didn't know that. So iCloud addresses and Apple ID's are not the same thing?
 
If I want to backup to iCloud, it doesn't 'share' the space. In fact, I have to turn most things off of the backup on my iPad if I want to backup to iCloud without it hitting the limit. My iPhone 4 takes about 4 gigs, the iPad wants 1.3.



The backup to iCloud option in settings tells me it's a backup service.

so all the data on your iPhone is completely different from all the data on your iPad? i have 4 iOS devices. i would say that 90% of all the data on each device is redundant. get it?

yes, iCloud can be used as a backup service, but that's not the primary feature. if you use any other backup service, you realize you have to pay for it right? mozy and carbonate are about $60 per year. and this is for you desktop or laptop, not your mobile device. even dropbox charges $10 per month for if you use more than 2GB.
 
No interest.

Those that have built their iTunes library in the last few years by buying music from Apple will benefit by not having their music count "against" them (storage). But for people like myself who have been buying music from when CDs (and LPs for that matter) are the the bulk of our collection there's little benefit other than syncing photos, etc.

I had about 1000 cds which I ripped and now have on a 2TB (along with my entire DVD collection - not blu-ray). I'm using about 1.5 tb (plus I have two backup drives just in case).

From that - I would guess that MAYBE 500 megs at MOST is from music purchased through iTunes. And that's being incredibly generous.
 
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