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If you're going to use a word such as "egregious", it should at least be used appropriately. I mean, you may say it's appropriate, but I can't find many cases of the word being used in this way.

You might say it <i>is</i> egregious, but please explain in what way it offends what must be your impeccably high standards.

Why not just say "terrible" or "awful"?

Ironically, the original definition of egregious was "remarkably good."

I think it was an apt usage. But yes my post certainly was a bit hyperbolic. I'm just very concerned with the direction Apple are going in and I think iOS 7 is a reactionary response to the criticism of Apple becoming stagnant pertaining to design. I'm a huge proponent of flat design, but in my opinion Apple's implementation needs a lot of rectifying. I don't think this OS is going to appeal to the public. We'll see.
 
It looks egregious just like iOS7!!!
Apple are destined for disaster!

I agree it does look outstandingly good, just like iOS7! Ambiguous adjectives are fun.

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The only people who love the flat design as bloggers and designers who love the Swiss design school.

Sorry, but regular people and UI usability experts think that iOS 7 is a disaster from an appearance and usability perspective.

Problems with iOS 7:
1. Helvetica Light - too thin.
2. Light grey text on a white background.
3. Too much removal of texture and other references to real world objects removed destroys context.
4. Flat design blurs delineation between background causing usability issues for new users and regular non-geeks.

Most of your complaints are from beta 1...

1. Is just silly. Show me one reasoned usability complaint on Helvetica Light
2. Is all but gone. The only remaining light grey text is a few items that are actually greyed out. Contrast is very important to me personally and I can say there is nothing I find difficult to read in the latest release.
3. Huh? What is the relationship between texture and context? The context part is just a hold over from the beta 1 complaints. There was a lot of out of context text and lack of icons within apps, but that is mostly (maybe completely) gone now.
4. Explain how? Explain what you think flat design is. Explain how "blurring delineation" effects usability. You put a lot of words in your fourth point but none of them relate to each other in a meaningful way. This one sounds like someone trying to sound smart in a general comment about what they think flat design is.

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I think it was an apt usage. But yes my post certainly was a bit hyperbolic. I'm just very concerned with the direction Apple are going in and I think iOS 7 is a reactionary response to the criticism of Apple becoming stagnant pertaining to design. I'm a huge proponent of flat design, but in my opinion Apple's implementation needs a lot of rectifying. I don't think this OS is going to appeal to the public. We'll see.

How is a sentence that can be interpreted to mean two completely opposite things an apt usage?

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Mail is missing delete button or i'm blind.

Your not blind. Since around iOS 4, mail did not show the delete button for Gmail and only showed the Archive button. It looks like they are trying to do the same thing for iCloud mail. I don't like it. Archive and delete are two different functions. The bigger problem is you can't delete mail anywhere, even in the archive folder.
 
This I like. A further reminder of the stark contrast between the new and old iOS designs when they're laid out in front of you. Still, I've never actually had a need to use iCloud.com, but perhaps this will change if they add further functionality to it.
 
This is technically Not possible.

Why not?

For the e-mail address the domains would just need to point their MX at some server that apple has setup much like Google Apps for Business does for Gmail or Live@Domains does for Outlook.com. Yes I agree it would take some work, but the only reason I use GMail is because it's better than Outlook.com and I can bring my own domain. Personally I love the look and feel of iCloud (both old and new) and if I could bring my domain there I'd likely use that over GMail. There is no technical reason why this couldn't work except that development needs to be done.

And with Dropbox functionality this could very well work with iCloud too as it is today. In reality Dropbox uses EC2 and SkyDrive uses Azure which are both just forms of Blob storage, just like iCloud. There is no technical reason why this wouldn't work either.
 
Do you remember the interface that was so beautiful that you'd want to lick it?

At the time, everyone and their brother thought of it as "trendy, and to be change-for-the-sake-of-change"... but Apple refined it over the years. I'm pretty sure we're in the same position now.

At the time everyone thought "Holy cows, it's so cool! 3D glass buttons? Real-time shadows? I'm in!". It did become better and refined over time, but it was looking fantastic and out of this world since day 1. (And it was year 2000).

In year 2013 this new iOS 7 is plain boring and I probably can't even say it's 'designed'. It's a bunch of badly drawn icons and ideas from a "marketing team" thrown together. There's no design at all.
 
The apps look great, but that home screen looks hideous.

iOS 7 looks fresh, but there's something very stale about the look of iCloud.com

Hope that gets fixed before release.
 
Your not blind. Since around iOS 4, mail did not show the delete button for Gmail and only showed the Archive button. It looks like they are trying to do the same thing for iCloud mail. I don't like it. Archive and delete are two different functions. The bigger problem is you can't delete mail anywhere, even in the archive folder.

In preferences there is an option to show Archive on the toolbar un-checking this brings Trash back., you also can hit the delete key on your keyboard, or use the move to folder option.
 
I was thinking how good the Contacts app icon looked. The Safari icon all across the board needs changing.

I think the big tell-tale will be when the iWork ones are updated, I noticed on iOS 7 as they tweaked the icons ever so slightly in each release I began to actually like the look at feel and iOS 6 does feel dated.

They're getting there, remember it took them 6 releases to get the previous version to where it was at, and its going to take a few more to get this to look perfect.

No one likes change, but I think long term this is welcome. I'm not sure it's the innovation everyone's been looking for though, hopefully, these last 4 months of the year will provide that though. Time will tell.
 
Plus I thought most people here moved all their default Apple apps to a never to be used again folder (because they all use Google apps and can't delete Apple's).
Oh, you're so wrong here.

S if you never use them and they're tucked away in a folder who cares what the look like.
And so Apple decided "Let's make them ugly as hell, no one will see them anyway"?

You're not Jony Ive himself, aren't you? :rolleyes:
 
I like this

Not nearly as thrilled with these within iOS 7 on the the phone but for some reason this really works on Icloud browser...
 
The apps look great, but that home screen looks hideous.

iOS 7 looks fresh, but there's something very stale about the look of iCloud.com

Hope that gets fixed before release.

Yesterday (8/14) when I first logged into iCloud Beta I had this 'blah' feeling about it. But, later on during the evening after logging in several times, the theme started to grow on me. Today, I'm loving it.
 
Has anyone noticed iCloud calendars changing colors automatically without being told to. Its happened after I logged into iCloud Beta. My "Home" Calendar was assigned to "Red" but it automatically changes to blue. when I change it back it stays on red then goes back to blue that is on my Calendar on Mac. When I see it on iOS I refresh and it goes from Red to Blue then to Red then back to Blue THEN back to Red. On iCloud every time I change the color it will go back to blue and STAY on blue.
 
Very nice, i would love OS10 to have the iOS7 look, however just got 10.9 from Dev centre, and the UI changes already are amazing no more leather crap :) wonder if they change some icons too maybe simplify the os more in B6?

For the true minimalists there's a simplified version already. It's called Terminal.
 
I'd welcome it. The two systems should mirror each other for the ease of the user experience. Whether a person likes the new look or not is another matter :)

Translation: Let's make the both systems equally ugly even if most users will hate it and drop both platforms in favor of some alternatives.
 
I think it was sarcasm, but to answer your question: no. My utilities are emailed to me and automatically drafted from my bank account

Nice one. I still get plenty of snail mail. Sarcasm aside, I'm pretty sure even kids under 10 recognise what an envelope is, at least here in England anyway.

Clearly Apple are not quite ready to let go of all skeuomorphism just yet (a good thing) ;)

ps. be interested to hear what people who dislike an envelope representing email would replace it with... the @ symbol is now also synonymous with Twitter, so that's out.
 
I'm very concerned about the smaller font. Ives is obviously only concerned with looks and doesn't care about accessibility. Apple has show lack of concern in the past but this is atrocious.
 
Well, it's clear that this new UI is here to stay...

If you want a glance of how OS X is gonna look...

I'm not a fan of some of the icons, but I actually like how the menus look. Still needs a little work, but I assume like with iOS 7 they're testing things out to see what works and what people think. It's interesting to see it evolve, and it's good that they're doing so publicly — this allows for user feedback before things are finalized.
 
It's not just the icons, it's the whole OS that looks bland, sterile, and cheap.

Besides, the iPhones icons are iconic. Update them? Sure. Refine them? Sure. Trash them for something entirely new, that looks like crap? No way. Those icons are everywhere, good design matters.
Agreed 100%. If you look at the change in design of OS X from Aqua through brushed and then Marble, the changes were gradual and subtle while still maintaining the same overall design. The original iconic Aqua still shines through all of those changes and is still recognizable. Even the icons in OS X have gone through subtle changes in shading but the overall design of those icons remained the same for the most part. The only icon that changed dramatically was iTunes but that was to be expected as Apple sought to unify the icon across platforms. On iOS, it was a rounded square and on OS X, it transformed from CD's to a Music icon that was round instead of a rounded square.

This radical departure destroys continuity. I think it was a horrible mistake.
 
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Literally any time something changes with Apple, there are one million hyperbolic comments about how it's the worst thing in the world. Then six months later everyone is just used to it and it's fine.
 
so this is how the final version of iOS7 will look, ummm.... no big differences,:( i thought apple was saving some big changes.
 
Literally any time something changes with Apple, there are one million hyperbolic comments about how it's the worst thing in the world. Then six months later everyone is just used to it and it's fine.

There's only one difference. The main UI designer who was there for more than a decade is now gone. And the only one who liked him passed away.
 
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