Ok, so the cache doesn't include all photos if there's not enough space? Does it cache by date? What happens if I want to download a 4g movie, will it automatically free up enough space?
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Ok, so the cache doesn't include all photos if there's not enough space? Does it cache by date? What happens if I want to download a 4g movie, will it automatically free up enough space?
Does it really not require any local storage? This is a concern of mine. On my iPad, I don't want to have any photos stored locally, but I do want to be able to view them "streaming" from the cloud. I was under the impression that even if you have "Optimize Local Storage" turned on, it still downloaded and stored photos locally, just not the full resolution originals?
Isn't it still beta?!? (I'm glad it's an option if they aren't ready)
I'm thinking at some point you won't need to turn it on, it's just going to be on.
Gary
All our iOS devices are able to upgrade to 8 except my wife's 4. If and when I upgrade the others will the iOS 7 device/s not be able to access the new iCloud/photos stuff?
It caches by date and what you looked at. Why don't you give it a try?
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No local storage is required, same as the web version. There's just a lot of BS out there which MR won't debunk (BS = ad impressions). Apple's FAQ is very clear about this, but sadly people here don't read it because they prefer ignorance. Here's the quote for those who can't Google for themselves-
"If you turn on Optimize [device] Storage, iCloud Photo Library will automatically manage the size of your library on your iOS device, so you can make the most of your device's storage and access more photos than ever. iCloud Photo Library stores the original, high-resolution photos and videos in iCloud and can keep lightweight, device-optimized versions on each of your devices. As long as you have enough storage, recent photos and videos that you access the most will stay on your device at full resolution."
The more photos than ever part is key- the geniuses here who'd rather manage their own local storage will always have to leave a buffer of free space in case they need to install an app or update in a hurry. iCloud Photos is free to use as much storage as it wants, because it can seamlessly delete things on the fly.
If I have say 50GB of photos in iCloud Photo Library, will all 50GB be download locally on each of my iOS devices? My iPhone and iPad are both 16GB, which is enough for my personal use, but it's not enough for my entire photo library (<20GB). I don't really care to have all my photos locally but if I could have it all on iCloud and be able to access (but not necessarily store locally) all my photos, that would be great. Anyone know the answer to this?
You about you give it a break and actually read my post above yours. I don't know what more you want.
You about you give it a break and actually read my post above yours. I don't know what more you want.
Sorry, I didn't read all of the posts. What happens if I select keep original resolution instead of optimize?
Dunno. There is no reason to use that option since the optimized version stores full versions as space permits.
The iCloud Photo Library got me confused since the very first beta of iOS 8.
I disabled it because I don't have the 36 GB of storage needed on iCloud to stock my library of photos, and the betas would nag me all the time to pay for a storage upgrade, which I certainly don't want to do... oh, and disabling it took 30 days, so 30 days of popups that I would close and would reappear again.
And now, if I try to enabled it on my iPhone... it tells me it will delete 5000 photos because iTunes sync of photos is not taken in charge...
There has to be something I don't get with this feature (except it being beta).
I disabled it because I don't have the 36 GB of storage needed on iCloud to stock my library of photos, and the betas would nag me all the time to pay for a storage upgrade, which I certainly don't want to do... oh, and disabling it took 30 days, so 30 days of popups that I would close and would reappear again.
And now, if I try to enabled it on my iPhone... it tells me it will delete 5000 photos because iTunes sync of photos is not taken in charge...
There has to be something I don't get with this feature (except it being beta).
At some point the people here are going to turn this on and look for themselves and see you're mistaken. You're beating people up without understanding yourself what iCloud Photo Library is doing. Several times you have said it requires no local storage. You're wrong. Optimize will reduce the local storage usage by storing a thumbnail sized photo on your device allowing you to scroll through your photos. Once you see the one you like the phone will download a medium sized photo for better viewing. A third photo resolution is downloaded if you choose to edit or share at full size. After a while (not sure how long) the medium sized photo will reduce again to its previous thumbnail size.
My main sticking points are these. I feel from reading your replies that you have it in mind that you can't be bothered to address peoples questions yet you do with a tone that is unnecessary. Secondly you reply with false information in a tone that is unnecessary. If you want to see how much space is being used by your photos click on settings, usage and look at the photo space taken. I have found I'm currently using about 800MB for 4300 photos that in full are about 7.5GB on the iCloud drive space. If you have 50GB of photos you would need about 5GB of space on your device for the thumbnails.
First of all, this is an open forum, so I'll talk about whatever I feel like talking about.
And next,
This is extremely incorrect.
I understand how the option to turn on maximization and the whole "low res" thing works.
Well, I never said anything about deleting photos from iCloud to free up storage-? not anywhere -?
So, that doesn't make any sense either.
And as far as telling people to grow up, I recall you being the only person calling names like a child and trying to tell people what they should or should not be doing, so you might want to take your own advise on that one.
Dude.
Thanks for voicing your opinion-? though.
All I can say is I hope Samsung pays their bloggers well, because in three months when people can upload their entire 100 GB library off their Mac and see it working with every photo visible on all their devices, even ones with no free space, you will be exposed. The space listed in settings is irrelevant as it adjusts dynamically based on available space.
Thanks much. I actually had read that before, but it was still unclear to me. I think I understand it now.
I am still waiting for the timer to expire on my iCloud Photo Library and delete my remaining photos before I give it another whirl. It seems to have screwed up with my attempts at uploading and syncing my photos a few weeks ago. Call me masochistic, but I think it's a cool feature and I really want it to succeed. 
This feature still does not work properly. If you upload pictures it will for some reason add 8 hours to each picture. So a picture taken at 1pm will show in IPL as been taken at 9pm. Strange
EDIT: I actually tried re-downloading a few pictures and the metadata was fine (although the pictures where 30 bytes smaller for some reason). So the upload doesn't actually change the date or metadata it just sorts it wrong (8hours added) for some reason. Pictures uploaded through iPhones or iPads show the correct time.
EDIT: I actually tried re-downloading a few pictures and the metadata was fine (although the pictures where 30 bytes smaller for some reason). So the upload doesn't actually change the date or metadata it just sorts it wrong (8hours added) for some reason. Pictures uploaded through iPhones or iPads show the correct time.
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topherdesign,
Those Apple people obviously didn't know what to look for when they tried to help you out.
Because the iPhone runs an app-based operating system, access to the iCloud Drive is integrated into each app that supports it.
To access the iCloud Drive screen on the iPhone, you'd have to, for example, select the share option in the document select screen of the Pages app, choose the "Move to..." option, then choose a document to move. After that, the iCloud Drive window will appear and you can choose where in iCloud Drive to move that document.
But again, because the iPhone runs an app-based operating system, you will only see that iCloud Drive window within the context of apps that can interact with the iCloud Drive and add/remove/edit files within it.
I suppose Apple could add a general "Dropbox" type app that allows you to browse the contents of the iCloud Drive on the iPhone. But, in order to open any files/documents in the iCloud Drive, you'd have to open them in a different app anyway, so that's why they integrate iCloud Drive directly into the apps themselves for direct access.
The same is also true for apps on the Mac, but with the added flexibility of accessing the iCloud Drive via Finder as well.
That's a shame, others try to stay on topic and have an actual conversation.
No, you don't, and you've obviously never tried it either.
I haven't called anyone names, I've pointed out that you are ignorant and don't know how this works, which is the truth. Sometimes the truth hurts.
iOS 8 at the moment allows you to use both the 'old' Photo Stream and the new iCloud Photo Library. Since Photo Stream usage is not counted against your storage allotment, there is zero harm in keeping it turned on to feed images taken on devices running iOS 8 to devices running iOS 7 and to iPhoto and Aperture, while at the same time also enabling iCloud Photo Library.
How the new Photos app will deal with Photo Stream and iOS 7 devices is something we don't know yet.
"More than ever" could also refer to the 1000 image limit of Photo Stream images (ie, images fed to Photo Stream from other devices, as it will only keep the 1000 latest images). And "can keep lightweight, device-optimized versions" can be interpreted as meaning that it gives you the option [can] of storing device optimised photos in addition to storing full-size images.proline;20394681 "If you turn on Optimize [device said:
And given how reluctant the Video app in iOS is to relinquish space occupied by streamed movies (on not just the most recently streamed one, ie, keeping multiple streamed movies), I'm am not so certain that this will be a very smooth ride with iOS deleting the device-optimised images in favour of, eg, an OS update.
But we can already try this, put a few GB of photos into the iCloud Photo Library, view them all (ie, ensure that they got downloaded) and fill up your device with other data (movies are the simplest way to put large amount of data on). The question to be answered by this is whether we can push out the photos by trying to add other stuff. As I said, the fact that we cannot even push out cached streamed movies when trying to add other movies, makes me skeptical.
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You're not 100% correct. Proline is right in the sense that Optimise Storage does not require a 1-1 storage ratio. I think he misspoke when he said "no storage is needed" because - of course, caches have to be stored somewhere locally. But you're wrong in the calculations that 50 GBs would result in 5 for caches. Low-quality, small thumbs will be take up much less than that. And you cannot judge the amount of storage used by the "Usage" pane in Settings as that would just be a snapshot in time that does not consider a lot of variables at play - for e.g. if iOS has marked any caches or downloaded/old assets as deletable, etc.
The point here is to prove that topherdesign was wrong in his original point:
We have proven that he is wrong, but he's now shifted the point someplace else.
If you are aware of a bug in the video app, just report it and it will get fixed. Ditto for the Photos App. By all means, do the experiment you've suggested and post the actual screen shots, rather than all the BS we see here so far.
Here is a long list of screenshots showing the streamed movies problem:
http://hammonwry.com/mysterious-other/
BTW, you can solve the streamed music problem via the freeware iBrowse: http://www.ibrowseapp.com
by deleting all stuff under cloudassets, restart your iPad, and sync twice with iTunes.
I was wondering how iOS8 selects the number of most recent and accessed photos and videos to retain as high resolution. Is it 1000? Is it based on available storage on the device? Is it based upon the date the photo was taken?
For example, I selected the optimization option on my iPhone with the iCloud photo library. I only have 180 photos on my phone, and none of these were converted to low resolution thumbnails. I don't know how iOS determines "recent" or "most frequently accessed" photos, but none of mine were converted. So, my photo library is still using about 500 MB of local storage space on my iPhone.....which is not a problem now. Down the road, as I add to the iCloud Photo Library, I am wondering when the thumbnails and low res photos will start to replace the high res photos on my 16 GB phone. I guess I am interested in the basic algorithm being used to determine what is kept at full resolution so I can anticipate how much local storage will be needed for photos and which photos will be converted to low resolution.
Also, let's say I move 10GB of photos from my Mac to iCloud Photo Library. I assume that when i open the photo app on my iPhone most of these moved photos will appear as thumbnails on my phone.....which is good. I am just curious as to how this works exactly.
For example, I selected the optimization option on my iPhone with the iCloud photo library. I only have 180 photos on my phone, and none of these were converted to low resolution thumbnails. I don't know how iOS determines "recent" or "most frequently accessed" photos, but none of mine were converted. So, my photo library is still using about 500 MB of local storage space on my iPhone.....which is not a problem now. Down the road, as I add to the iCloud Photo Library, I am wondering when the thumbnails and low res photos will start to replace the high res photos on my 16 GB phone. I guess I am interested in the basic algorithm being used to determine what is kept at full resolution so I can anticipate how much local storage will be needed for photos and which photos will be converted to low resolution.
Also, let's say I move 10GB of photos from my Mac to iCloud Photo Library. I assume that when i open the photo app on my iPhone most of these moved photos will appear as thumbnails on my phone.....which is good. I am just curious as to how this works exactly.
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