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50gb is a bit unreasonable. I think 10 gb or maybe 15gb is fair.
Well it should at the very least be per device. So if they stick with the 5gb and you have iPhone and iPad you should get 10gb. Google gives unlimited for photos on iOS and dont even require their device! And 15gb for their drive storage again simply for creating an account no device purchase required. So you spend $$$$$$ with Apple for multiple devices and get 5GB total, really?!? And they sell 128/256gb devices and cant even have enough storage for a full backup? They REALLY need to re-visit this.
 
Apple is really a client oriented company and its strengths show in the quality of its client hardware/software versus Google's client hardware/software.[/QUOTE]


I don't think Apple makes GREAT Hardware. GOOD LOOKING HARDWARE YES!! KICK ASS CUTTING EDGE FAST HARDWARE=NO

I have numerous MAC Laptops and iMacs and Mac Pro's at home with Bad Video Cards, Bad Hard Drive slots on the Mac Pro's

These Days almost anyone can build a PC that blows away anything APPLE offers in HARDWARE today

APPLE's only STRENGTH has always been in Software. ALWAYS just a good Software Company.

IBM and the G5 PowerPC Chip made APPLE shine in Hardware. NO More

INTEL Hardware has always been mediocre .
 
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I recently paid the $2.99/mo to go with the 200GB iCloud plan for my family (mother in law, wife, and myself). I thought, hey this is cool, now we can back up everything under one plan!

My wife has 20GB of photos on her 6s+. I have Frontier FIOS with 98mbps up. Took my wife 5 days to get her photos backed up to iCloud Photos. The app constantly crashed, stalled, would sit there and just drain her battery to 0 while making the phone super hot. We restarted her phone more during those 5 days than the last 6 years combined.

I back up my photos to Google Photos so when I got my 8+ on Sept 26, I only had 400 photos to upload. That took about a day and a half even though it was only 1.7GB.

My wife's phone was unusable with 20GB of photos in iCloud photos.


Doing iCloud backups was fairly easy --- I had been doing them on iTunes (mapping iTunes backup folder to an external drive) without problem.


Then, no selective folder syncing ... WTF?! On my work computer I have Google Drive syncing a Work Folder but nothing else. If I was to put iCloud on my work computer, ALL MY DATA would be synced to the work computer. What is this? 1997? That was disappointing.


I would GLADLY pay Apple $$$ to store all of my data and photos. But Pages online feels like Google Docs from 2006... iCloud photos can't handle any load, and iCloud Drive is stuck in the 90s.

Example: A journaling app I use on iOS, I have 900MB of entries in there stored to iCloud. I got my new iPhone and .... after a few hundred MB, iCloud just gave up and refused to sync anything more as if I was inconveniencing it by asking for my data. Nothing I could do could start up the sync again. A day later it synced a few hundred more MB before giving up again. WTF?!

Sorry but compared to Dropbox, OneDrive, and Google Drive .... iCloud has a LOT of work to do. I'll keep using Google Drive for now. It handles my 93GB of photos/videos (98k+) like a champ, storing them for free, and OneDrive happily backs it up with no problems in less than a day (I do this a few times a year).
 
Versus Google on the server side, Apple absolutely sucks. Just one example: Take Apple Mail. It's slow and sometimes mail simply gets stuck in the outbox and may never ever be able to be sent. Contrast with Gmail on iOS. You see your email instantly without fail.

Apple is really a client oriented company and its strengths show in the quality of its client hardware/software versus Google's client hardware/software.
Sorry if this is a stupid question but how can you tell when that happens? I’ve emailed three out of state friends this year with whom I’ve had regular correspondence. One email was to answer a question one of them had for me. I never heard back from any of them and did wonder if something happened to my outgoing emails but I couldn’t see that anything had. I got no notice of delivery failure. At some point I’ll try to follow up with them with a phone call but I’ll wait awhile in case they got busy or are traveling. Lol, that is one downside of leaving Facebook. I don’t know these sorts of things about my friends anymore.
 
Sorry if this is a stupid question but how can you tell when that happens?

An "outbox" option would appear listed in your left sidebar with the sent messages which didn't go through, the sidebar you toggle it in/out by clicking the "Mailboxes" option ( Screen Shot 2017-10-07 at 6.25.27 PM.png ).
 
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Sorry but compared to Dropbox, OneDrive, and Google Drive .... iCloud has a LOT of work to do. I'll keep using Google Drive for now. It handles my 93GB of photos/videos (98k+) like a champ, storing them for free, and OneDrive happily backs it up with no problems in less than a day (I do this a few times a year).

IMO Jobs' biggest failure when he came back to Apple was being unable to convince Dropbox to sell to them. Jobs was smart enough to know this is where things were going, but he wasn't able to get it done. Managing cloud services was never really his strong suit and though iCloud has improved, as your story relates they have a long way to go. The fact that people are excited they can use third-party cloud services with the Files app instead of the native iCloud Drive support should tell Apple that their silo'd file philosophy is not what people want. Yet they've doubled down on it.
 
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It’s strange how Apple have never really been cutting edge with cloud services. They have always had under performing services.

The services are improving all
the time and much more reliable than the past.
 
Thanks for sharing your views. That's insane based on what you said. That's a lot of hassles. At this point, what is your stand with ios/osx then?
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Pixel 2 lured me to check it out. Lol yes, you're not the first to point out my avatar. Hahah

It seems to be specifically the iCloud Apple has issues with. I’m not sure if it’s true but people seem to think that Eddie Cue is the problem there. Siri has also been rather stagnant compared to google assistant and Siri has just been transferred from Eddie Cue to be under the control of software lead Craig Federighi. Craig seems to keep knocking it out of the park with MacOS. Every year he talks about new handy features and also under the hood improvements.

I wish we would get that with iCloud. E.g

“We introduce iCloud sync monitor”
“We introduce iCloud control centre”
“We have gone deep on the iCloud fundamentals so sync is faster and more reliable than ever before”
“We introduce iCloud asynchronous file transfer, so you can use your iCloud space like a giant hard drive in the cloud”
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IMO Jobs' biggest failure when he came back to Apple was being unable to convince Dropbox to sell to them. Jobs was smart enough to know this is where things were going, but he wasn't able to get it done. Managing cloud services was never really his strong suit and though iCloud has improved, as your story relates they have a long way to go. The fact that people are excited they can use third-party cloud services with the Files app instead of the native iCloud Drive support should tell Apple that their silo'd file philosophy is not what people want. Yet they've doubled down on it.

That would be amazing drop box is the gold standard for sync reliability.
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Apple is really a client oriented company and its strengths show in the quality of its client hardware/software versus Google's client hardware/software.


I don't think Apple makes GREAT Hardware. GOOD LOOKING HARDWARE YES!! KICK ASS CUTTING EDGE FAST HARDWARE=NO

I have numerous MAC Laptops and iMacs and Mac Pro's at home with Bad Video Cards, Bad Hard Drive slots on the Mac Pro's

These Days almost anyone can build a PC that blows away anything APPLE offers in HARDWARE today

APPLE's only STRENGTH has always been in Software. ALWAYS just a good Software Company.

IBM and the G5 PowerPC Chip made APPLE shine in Hardware. NO More

INTEL Hardware has always been mediocre .

Apple do have one section of ninja level of unbeatable team of hardware people, it’s the iPhone/IPad CPU/GPU chip design team. The performance they are churning out is unbelievable, every year they best both Qualcomm and Samsung. Their lead is even increasing. this years chips are so far ahead people are comparing their performance to laptops instead of other competing phones.

The chip team are so good when Apple built their new campus with open plan offices the chip team didn’t like it. So Apple built them their own building to their liking.
 
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I never buy this cloud ****. Sure, small initial storage is pathetic. But cloud is not your file vault. Customers are responsible for their own data, not other random companies. “Backup to the cloud” is a flawed concept that will eventually fall apart.
Anyway, what I hope is as a hub, it works reliably. No or little hiccups, little interruptions, and reasonable up/down speed. Don’t just throw me errors.
 
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I went 100% cloud in 2011. It was awesome to be able to access my files from any device anywhere. In 2011 I went to Google Drive. I always have a backup on my hard drive but only backup a few times a year. It's been freedom and very awesome.

Google Docs.... I don't think I can ever go back to a static file. The ability for 10+ people to access one document at once is awesome. I can leave the Doc opened on my work computer, use my laptop to modify the same document even though it is opened on my work computer when I'm in a meeting.... I realize I'm going a little off topic so I'll stop.

The cloud is awesome. lol.
 
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@Shirasaki
I went 100% cloud in 2011. It was awesome to be able to access my files from any device anywhere. In 2011 I went to Google Drive. I always had a backup on my hard drive but only did it a few times a year. It's been freedom and very awesome.

Google Docs.... I don't think I can ever go back to a static file. The ability for 10+ people to access one document at once is awesome. I can leave the Doc opened on my work computer, use my laptop to modify the same document even though it is opened on my work computer when I'm in a meeting.... I realize I'm going a little off topic so I'll stop.

The cloud is awesome. lol.
Yes. I also agree.
What I do not agree is to treat or advertise cloud service, especially storage, as central hub of everyone’s file. They are not the replacement of people’s hard drive. They are not the replacement of local storage. Instead, they are rather centrally managed remote storage, a huge cluster of hard drives sitting somewhere in the world.
Collaboration, file transfer, multi point access. These are what cloud shines.
Apple pushing people to “backup everything to the cloud” is a bad move.
 
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Yes. I also agree.
What I do not agree is to treat or advertise cloud service, especially storage, as central hub of everyone’s file. They are not the replacement of people’s hard drive. They are not the replacement of local storage. Instead, they are rather centrally managed remote storage, a huge cluster of hard drives sitting somewhere in the world.
Collaboration, file transfer, multi point access. These are what cloud shines.
Apple pushing people to “backup everything to the cloud” is a bad move.

This I agree with 100%. I love my hard drives and I have 2 backups of my Google Drive at my house on 2 different hard drives, on OneDrive, and on 3 different computers.

I back up my phone, wife's phone, mother in law's phone to iTunes to an external drive. mklink ftw (Windows). :)

Anyone who relies on the cloud entirely and solely is just asking for disaster. Agreed.
 
Yes. I also agree.
What I do not agree is to treat or advertise cloud service, especially storage, as central hub of everyone’s file. They are not the replacement of people’s hard drive. They are not the replacement of local storage. Instead, they are rather centrally managed remote storage, a huge cluster of hard drives sitting somewhere in the world.
Collaboration, file transfer, multi point access. These are what cloud shines.
Apple pushing people to “backup everything to the cloud” is a bad move.

The crazy thing is as well as your files being in the cloud and synced between your devices 2TB for £6.99 is a great deal for apple to become the 1 in the famous 3 2 1 backup strategy.

3 copies
2 different formats
1 off site

But they make it almost impossible to backup an external hard drive or NAS to iCloud.

You can do this with Google Drive, Amazon Drive but not iCloud.
 
Because google monetises the people who use their devices. Apple doesn’t, which is why it makes sense for people to pay for the extra storage which they would use.

A lot of people think this is the case, the reason is monetization. Few people think about the fact that a photo is roughly 3-5mb max. Google offers unlimited space and loses out on next to nothing because few people are going to break a gig a year in photos. So they get to sell you a 650 and up phone and you feel better because you get something for free.
 
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