iCloud Keychain - Dedicated App

alksion

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I asked this in another thread in regards to iOS 8.

My question now pertains to Yosemite. Do we see any real improvements to iCloud Keychain? I'll take anything at this point.

Here is my wish list taken from my other thread:
- Implement a GUI, something similar to 1 Password
- Possibly a standalone app
- More options for password algorithms
- Possibility to store credit card CEV/CVV codes

- Better functionality across all devices
- iCloud.com access

I have the public beta on a separate partition, but have barely looked at it due to my busy schedule.

Edit: I see everyone's point that Keychain Access handles these things. Maybe I would just like to see a revamped app.

This is my biggest gripe and doesn't not seem to be resolved an iOS 8 or Yosemite.
 
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alksion

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There is already a dedicated app it's called keychain access
You're right, however, Keychain access leaves me feeling lackluster. I'm thinking something specifically for iCloud keychain with a design similar to 1Password.

Edit: For example. One of my online bank accounts does not allow for storage of passwords. If I create one in Keychain Access on my iMac, great! I can reference it whenever I need to login from my iMac, however, when I try to log in with the specially generated password in Keychain Access on my iPhone, it's a no go. It does not show up in my phones (iCloud Keychain) stored passwords. See what I am saying? Sloppy integration.

I'm taking that as a no and possibly no improvements?
 
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crashoverride77

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You're right, however, Keychain access leaves me feeling lackluster. I'm thinking something specifically for iCloud keychain with a design similar to 1Password.

Edit: For example. One of my online bank accounts does not allow for storage of passwords. If I create one in Keychain Access on my iMac, great! I can reference it whenever I need to login from my iMac, however, when I try to log in with the specially generated password in Keychain Access on my iPhone, it's a no go. It does not show up in my phones (iCloud Keychain) stored passwords. See what I am saying? Sloppy integration.

I'm taking that as a no and possibly no improvements?
It should show up on your ios device. Your bank account does not save passwords so if you did it manually in keychain access than maybe you done the wrong one. Safari only syncs with WEB FORM PASSWORDS (ios or mac), you will not be able to see other items you made in keychain access.

If I encounter a website that doesnt allow the safari suggested password I use 1234 (or something similar) so I can save it in my keychain. I than go to keychain access, find the web form password item, use the password generator to create a different password and save it and it syncs perfectly. I never knew I can do that until recently, obviously I still need to go to the website and update from 1234 to this new password via copy and paste.

Of course there is always room for improvements.
1) I would love having secure notes to also sync with ios
2) integrate the password generator right into safari so I can skip the steps I mentioned in my second paragraph for a website doesn't allow the standard safari suggested password.
 
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I'd like to see keychain access released for iOS and the icloud website. Inability to access the passwords directly on my device it what keeps me tethered to using 1password across the board.

I'd love to get keychain on the devices then i can remove 1password from my mac.
 

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I'd like to see keychain access released for iOS and the icloud website. Inability to access the passwords directly on my device it what keeps me tethered to using 1password across the board.

I'd love to get keychain on the devices then i can remove 1password from my mac.
But you can access your passwords (safari-settings-passwords & auto fill-saved passwords) on all ios devices, or do you mean non apple products
 

alksion

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But you can access your passwords (safari-settings-passwords & auto fill-saved passwords) on all ios devices, or do you mean non apple products
Not necessarily. If you manually create passwords in Keychain Access in OS X on a Mac, it will not show up in iOS's safari-settings-passwords & auto fill-saved passwords section.

Adding a Keychain Access application to iOS and also allowing us to access it through the web would solve these problems.

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Safari only syncs with WEB FORM PASSWORDS (ios or mac), you will not be able to see other items you made in keychain access.
That's my biggest problem. I think I should be able to manually generate login credentials in Keychain Access on my Mac and then also be able to view them on my iOS device or iCloud web portal.

I already use iCloud Keychain the way it was intended. I'm simply asking for better integration and implementation. Is that too much to ask for?
 

crashoverride77

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I'm confused why people are upvoting this? It doesn't solve my dilemma whatsoever.
Because of the way you started this thread

Here is my wish list taken from my other thread:
- Implement a GUI, something similar to 1 Password - Keychain Access
- Possibly a standalone app - Keychain Access
- More options for password algorithms - What options, keychain access gives you loads of options
- Possibility to store credit card CEV/CVV codes - bad idea, you never want to save CVV code with your credit card number for autofill. You could save it in a secure note
- Better functionality across all devices - apart from secure notes not syncing what specifically would you like to see
- iCloud.com access - iCloud keychain was designed to need approved devices (with keychain turned on) before it can be used for another device, this is for better security. If people steal your apple ID password they can still not access your keychain. Having your keychain on iCloud.com could be dangerous, especially without two step verification turned on.

You also said in another comment that manually created passwords in keychain access don't sync, which is wrong. I have 6-7 websites that don't allow the safari suggested password, so I used keychain access to generate custom passwords and they sync and autofill perfectly.
What crazy login thing do you want to create in keychain access? Any web form password, either saved from safari OR created from scratch in keychain access, syncs perfectly. This is really all you need, for other stuff there is secure notes. Why are you not more specific instead of complaining that people don't give you a solution to your apparent problem when all they can do is offer tips.
 
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alksion

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Because of the way you started this thread

Here is my wish list taken from my other thread:
- Implement a GUI, something similar to 1 Password - Keychain Access Fair enough, may I am being too picky with the application.
- Possibly a standalone app - Keychain Access Point taken.
- More options for password algorithms - What options, keychain access gives you loads of options Point taken.
- Possibility to store credit card CEV/CVV codes - bad idea, you never want to save CVV code with your credit card number for autofill. You could save it in a secure note I've never looked into secure notes. Pardon my ignorance, but I will do so now.
- Better functionality across all devices - apart from secure notes not syncing what specifically would you like to see Creating accounts in Keychain Access was not syncing across my devices.
- iCloud.com access - iCloud keychain was designed to need approved devices (with keychain turned on) before it can be used for another device, this is for better security. If people steal your apple ID password they can still not access your keychain. Having your keychain on iCloud.com could be dangerous, especially without two step verification turned on. Point taken.

You also said in another comment that manually created passwords in keychain access don't sync, which is wrong. I have 6-7 websites that don't allow the safari suggested password, so I used keychain access to generate custom passwords and they sync and autofill perfectly.
What crazy login thing do you want to create in keychain access? Any web form password, either saved from safari OR created from scratch in keychain access, syncs perfectly. This is really all you need, for other stuff there is secure notes. Why are you not more specific instead of complaining that people don't give you a solution to your apparent problem when all they can do is offer tips.

My problem is the OS X Keychain Access manually created passwords will not sync to my iOS devices. If I am doing it wrong, I will gladly take correction.
Please see my responses in blue.
 

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Sure Keychain Access can get the job done, but it's NOT user-friendly at all. The solutions mentioned in this thread are fairly complicated and nothing I'd ever recommend my mum to use. So most people will still either re-use passwords or get a 3rd party password software.
 

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Sure Keychain Access can get the job done, but it's NOT user-friendly at all. The solutions mentioned in this thread are fairly complicated and nothing I'd ever recommend my mum to use. So most people will still either re-use passwords or get a 3rd party password software.
Maybe I'm not the only one who thinks keychain access is a mess. I guess if it won't be native, I should just look into a third-party application.
 

crashoverride77

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Please see my responses in blue.
Hey
No problem I didn't want to come of as an a, just wanted to help.

I'm not sure why your manually created web form passwords don't sync, they should as long as it's a webform password. Is it an entry with the blue @ sign?

I also def recommend you to look at secure notes, they have them now in icloud section in keychain access so they sync between your macs, not ios yet. It's pretty handy I use that for my bank account details, social security numbers etc.
I made this thread a while back in regards to manual keychain items maybe that gives you an idea of how I handle passwords that I have to generate myself because safari suggested passwords are not allowed.
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1770047

Also I do agree that keychain access could be more user friendly however I would not recommend this for your parents or less tech savy people. Even 1 password and last pass will cause more trouble for such group of people.
Also if you look for alternative third party solution I would skip 1 password and use last pass. It's multi platform, cloud supported and the best 3rd party password manager around.
 
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tl;dr - Apple should've bought 1Password a long time ago and made its functionality a cornerstone of OS X/iOS.
^ Agreed. I caved in a few years back with 1Password 3 (or 2, I forget), and love it. My only gripe is the lack of native support, meaning anything in iOS Safari has to be retrieved from 1Password, requiring opening the app, entering the one password, searching for the login, copying the password, double-clicking back to Safari, pasting the password. In OS X, it works seamlessly with Safari. Hoping that developers can take advantage of Apple opening iOS 8 for more functionality (1Password beta 4.5 for iOS is making use of Touch ID, which makes it perfect). Having Keychain Syncing and 1Password can be frustrating at times.
 

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Maybe I'm not the only one who thinks keychain access is a mess. I guess if it won't be native, I should just look into a third-party application.
Keychain access is a mess yes, but it gets the job done. A revamped app would be nice, but not so sure on how likely that is on happening.
 

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The real issue I have with iOS keychain access is not being able to see the passwords.

If I'm at a desk without access to keychain and I want to access something, I can look up my password on my macbook. If I only have my iPhone or iPad I can't look up the password and I can't log in to the site (on the computer I'm sitting at--I can log in with my phone or pad).
 

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Hey
No problem I didn't want to come of as an a, just wanted to help.

I'm not sure why your manually created web form passwords don't sync, they should as long as it's a webform password. Is it an entry with the blue @ sign?

I also def recommend you to look at secure notes, they have them now in icloud section in keychain access so they sync between your macs, not ios yet. It's pretty handy I use that for my bank account details, social security numbers etc.
I made this thread a while back in regards to manual keychain items maybe that gives you an idea of how I handle passwords that I have to generate myself because safari suggested passwords are not allowed.
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1770047

I can

Also I do agree that keychain access could be more user friendly however I would not recommend this for your parents or less tech savy people. Even 1 password and last pass will cause more trouble for such group of people.
Also if you look for alternative third party solution I would skip 1 password and use last pass. It's multi platform, cloud supported and the best 3rd party password manager around.
I'm not sure what you mean by this.

What I know is that my Bank of America online credentials will not be saved to iCloud Keychain not matter what I try.

If I manually create an entry by clicking the + button in Keychain Access, it'll allow me to save my BoA online information within the App. In no way does Keychain Access ever auto-fill in Safari for these type of manually created entries. Even if I decide to copy and paste from the app on my iMac, the entry that was manually created in Keychain Access does not show up on my iOS devices in Safari>passwords and auto-fill.

Does that make sense?


127]tl;dr - Apple should've bought 1Password a long time ago and made its functionality a cornerstone of OS X/iOS.
I agree. They obviously wanted a password manager or they would not have released iCloud Keychain. Buying 1Password would just add another reason why a Mac could be considered a premium computer.

Keychain access is a mess yes, but it gets the job done. A revamped app would be nice, but not so sure on how likely that is on happening.
I would say highly unlikely, but one can wish.

^ Agreed. I caved in a few years back with 1Password 3 (or 2, I forget), and love it. My only gripe is the lack of native support, meaning anything in iOS Safari has to be retrieved from 1Password, requiring opening the app, entering the one password, searching for the login, copying the password, double-clicking back to Safari, pasting the password. In OS X, it works seamlessly with Safari. Hoping that developers can take advantage of Apple opening iOS 8 for more functionality (1Password beta 4.5 for iOS is making use of Touch ID, which makes it perfect). Having Keychain Syncing and 1Password can be frustrating at times.
If touch ID works seamlessly with 1Password, I'll make the purchase when I upgrade my iPhone 5 to the iPhone 6.

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The real issue I have with iOS keychain access is not being able to see the passwords.

If I'm at a desk without access to keychain and I want to access something, I can look up my password on my macbook. If I only have my iPhone or iPad I can't look up the password and I can't log in to the site (on the computer I'm sitting at--I can log in with my phone or pad).
This! That's my biggest issue.
 

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The real issue I have with iOS keychain access is not being able to see the passwords.

If I'm at a desk without access to keychain and I want to access something, I can look up my password on my macbook. If I only have my iPhone or iPad I can't look up the password and I can't log in to the site (on the computer I'm sitting at--I can log in with my phone or pad).
yes you can look up you password on your iphone and iPad, Settings-Safari-Passwords&Autofill-Passwords.
 

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I'm not sure what you mean by this.

What I know is that my Bank of America online credentials will not be saved to iCloud Keychain not matter what I try.

If I manually create an entry by clicking the + button in Keychain Access, it'll allow me to save my BoA online information within the App. In no way does Keychain Access ever auto-fill in Safari for these type of manually created entries. Even if I decide to copy and paste from the app on my iMac, the entry that was manually created in Keychain Access does not show up on my iOS devices in Safari>passwords and auto-fill.

Does that make sense?


It does make sense, but maybe your bank doesn't allow it. Mine uses two step verification and iCloud keychain doesn't work for it either. Im sure this would also cause trouble for last pass and 1password.

In regards to the point you didn't understand. In keychain access a web form password is the entry with the blue @ sign. These are the entries safari creates when you save a password. If you create a new entry manually in keychain access and enter the URL for the website it will normally create a web form password. I attached a picture so you can see what I mean (by the way not my keychain, just a pic of google). Only these entries will sync with safari, autofill on all devices or allow you to look up the passwords under Safari settings. Other entries will not sync and are mainly entries for network passwords, osx facebook\twitter integration etc. If you have created the correct entry for your bank, its a web form password and it still does not autofill than its probably the website like i mentioned above. You can maybe try to create a manual entry for another website, like amazon, and see if it syncs and autofill.
Hope this helps
 

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