iCloud Mail: it's a good choice??

Discussion in 'Apple Music, Apple Pay, iCloud, Apple Services' started by AGX, Oct 15, 2015.

  1. AGX macrumors regular

    Oct 12, 2014

    i'm evaluating to switch from gmail to iCloud email.

    I'm a mac user 100 % and i see that it integrate very well with apple world.

    I find a good username:

    name.s.surname@icloud.com (for example Bill Henry Gates---> bill.h.gates@ )

    Good choice or not?

  2. markhort macrumors 65816


    Aug 28, 2010
    I switched a few years ago. Everything has been fine. Webmail side of things isn't as feature packed as Gmail. But everything works well. You might have some difficulties getting your own name now, but you never know!
  3. AGX thread starter macrumors regular

    Oct 12, 2014

    my real name is not written in this post, is only an example
  4. markhort macrumors 65816


    Aug 28, 2010
    Yeah I understood that part, when you said it was an example in your original post.
  5. AGX thread starter macrumors regular

    Oct 12, 2014
    but do you think that it s better stay with gmail or switch to Outlook. Or chose icloud?

    i m only scared... And if i will switch from.mac to windows? Icloud mail can be used?
  6. skiltrip macrumors 68030

    May 6, 2010
    New York
    Once I switched to Gmail many years ago I've been thrilled with my choice. It's cross platform, it's everywhere. Lots of businesses and educational institutions use Gmail as it's interface.

    Personally, I'd stick with Gmail for sure.
  7. zakarhino macrumors demi-god


    Sep 13, 2014
    Bay Area, CA.
    I think OP is like me, we don't want to use Google services anymore. The only services I use are YouTube, Maps, Search and Gmail. I've moved away from a hell of a lot more services by Google over time.

    Personally I'm waiting to see if I can find a better alternative to Gmail down the line instead of Apple Mail.
  8. Rigby macrumors 601

    Aug 5, 2008
    San Jose, CA
    iCloud and Outlook.com are currently the only major email services that offer push email with the native iOS Mail app.
    iCloud supports IMAP, so it can be used with non-Apple devices.

    Personally, I'm happy with Outlook.com. There are rumors that they will add support for the full Exchange protocol later this year, which would make it even more versatile (e.g. it would be possible to sync Outlook.com contacts and calendars with the OS X Mail/Contacts/Calendar apps or the Mac version of Outlook).
  9. Primejimbo macrumors 68040

    Aug 10, 2008
    I use iCould and I like it. It's simple, I get push on my iPhone and iPad, and no issues. I use Outlook for my Apple ID (use to be my gmail account), and that's not bad either. I am so glad I dropped Gmail, I was getting sick of their app, webpage, and it looks like a kid designed it.
  10. Fuchal macrumors 68020

    Sep 30, 2003
    FastMail also supports push email.
  11. bobr1952 macrumors 68020


    Jan 21, 2008
    Melbourne, FL
    My primary mail--works great for me and seems to work best as far as notifications on IOS devices.
  12. Rigby macrumors 601

    Aug 5, 2008
    San Jose, CA
    Thanks, I didn't know that. It seems to be a good implementation too. Apparently they have managed to convince Apple to open up their APNS-based push email system:


    I like Fastmail as they are ad-free with reasonable fees and put an emphasis on privacy and security.
  13. AGX thread starter macrumors regular

    Oct 12, 2014
    I need a suggestion about this.

    On iCloud i have find several ID that i can register.

    For example, for a name like : William Henry Gates (yes Bill gates :lol:) do you like this username?


    The same I find free on Gmail and Outlook.com
  14. dugbee macrumors regular

    Jun 15, 2009
    I was recently considering switching to an iCloud account as my primary email. I gave up on finding an address that wasn't already taken. Ended up buying a custom domain and associating it with a Fastmail account. So far so good, and with owning a domain you can always move to another email provider without losing your address.
  15. AGX thread starter macrumors regular

    Oct 12, 2014
    i find free like william.h.gates@

    what do you think?
  16. Beech07 macrumors newbie

    Sep 4, 2015
    I want to use iCloud mail and all native apps and keep trying, but something just won't let me fully commit. I like the integration of the services but hesitate because of these facts:
    • iCloud mail pushes the notifications, but doesn't sync the read/unread status across your devices
    • There are the common silent filtering stories and experiences. Just forward your current email address to iCloud and then double check which emails come through and which don't. There are always a few that don't make it through.
    • Can't merge the iTunes and iCloud accounts so you always have to maintain two email accounts
    Any thoughts on these points?
  17. iRock1 macrumors 6502a


    Apr 23, 2011
    I like it, but why not going with something simpler, like wgates@icloud.com, williamgates@icloud.com or william.gates@icloud.com?

    Personally, I went with the second one.

    On the first point, could you please elaborate? I'm not sure what you are referring to.

    On the second point, I fully concur. I've been a victim ot these issues too. It's definitely something to take in count when selecting your email provider. In fact, if it weren't because a) I'm too lazy and b) I haven't found an optimal alternative yet, I'd have moved from iCloud Mail long time ago.

    Regarding your third point, it's not that big of a deal. You just use one password for the iTunes and App Stores, and then another one for your iCloud contents (Mail, Contacts, Calendars, etc.).

    In general terms (and this might be useful for the OP too), I'm just ok with iCloud Mail because I don't heavily depend on email for work purposes or something like that. However, it's clear to me that iCloud is not an ideal solution. Here are some additional reasons to sustain my point of view:

    1) Its web client sucks. It's just poor on features and has no way of compiting with any other web-based email provider developed after 1999. For instance, they implemented rules just the last year, and the system is still ridiculously basic and limited.

    2) Its spam filters are terrible. More often that you'd like, you'll find your contacts messages in the Junk folder for no reason at all. Even worse, the way to teach the system is awfully cumbersome (you can't just mark a message as not junk in your OS X or iOS client — you'll have to go to the iCloud website and do it from there, which is impossible if you are using an iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch). At least Gmail handles this aspect way better.

    3) Big Brother Apple has moral concerns about what kind of things are going to your inbox (ironic, since they make fun of Google all the time for getting through your messages for marketing reasons). This means not only some messages just won't reach your inbox because of some absurd cause, but also that the reasoning behind that specific act of censorship is completely dark and unknown to the user.

    4) Apple internet services fail more often than Google's — that's a sad reality. Not that iCloud is down every two days, but definitely it happens more often than on Google's side.

    I'd just love if people started getting more conscious about the value of their privacy, and went with something like ProtonMail or TutaNota. Not big players, but at least they are making an effort in order to put encryption closer to the masses.
  18. AGX thread starter macrumors regular

    Oct 12, 2014
    I have tried ProtonMail and i thick they have a good mail service.

    The only doubt is if they can survive in long term.
  19. HarryPot macrumors 6502a

    Sep 5, 2009
    Never trust Apple in their services.
    In my short life I went from having a .mac account, to a .me account, and now a .icloud account.

    In all this time, .gmail has been a constant.

    Google is way better in their cloud services. As for privacy, I personally couldn't care less.
  20. Beech07 macrumors newbie

    Sep 4, 2015
    What I meant with my first point is that number of unread emails doesn't sync across your Apple devices. If you read a new email on your iPhone and then go to the mail app on your iPad, the mail badge still display the original number of unread emails. iCloud mail doesn't sync the number of new emails in badge app icon across your devices. I know Apple doesn't use Activsync like Outlook.com, but you would think they could sync this somehow.

    I like the other points you mentioned and they are also reasons that have kept me away. I have been using gmail for years and although I have tried real hard to overcome iCloud email's shortcoming, I have not been able to justify the switch just because the services are better integrated on Apple devices. Gmail works reliably and has a much better feature set. At the very least, I don't want to be concerned that an email might not make into my inbox. I wish Apple would spend as much effort on their functionality as they do the pretty design of their apps.
  21. Rhonindk macrumors 68040


    Oct 3, 2014
    sitting on a beach watching a DC simulation ...
    I recommend holding off. Occasional quirks pop up and here is my latest quirk. It has the Genius/CSTech folks stumped.

    I have a legacy @me account that became @icloud. Cool.
    My iCloud email account is @gmail. Use as a common by the family. Cool
    To solve an issue (recommended by Apple CS) I created a second iCloud account and email X@iCloud. Cool

    Somehow my @gmail and X@iCloud accounts have become one. They have merged. Apple CS could not explain why nor split them apart. I lost what was in X@iCloud when this happened. I now have a Y@iCloud account. So far so good.

    This tells me that @icloud still has issues.
  22. ZomBee macrumors member


    Jun 5, 2014
    I use my iCloud address mainly. It all forwards to gmail, so I can view it there if I'd like.
    Unfortunately, my mail today has been delayed about an hour and a half. Not cool.
  23. jetjaguar macrumors 68030


    Apr 6, 2009
    I too wanted to switch away from gmail. I tried outlook but for some reason I kept having issues with it. I do love the way it handles aliases though. Much better than gmail. But in the end went back to gmail. Still looking for alternatives. Don't trust iCloud reliability.
  24. djshack macrumors regular

    Apr 11, 2010
    Somerville, MA
  25. Rhonindk macrumors 68040


    Oct 3, 2014
    sitting on a beach watching a DC simulation ...
    That was my initial comment. Then came the Genius Bar ..... o_O

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