iCloud Music Library !!??!!

Colonel Badger

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OK so i'm confused. I don't subscribe to iTunes Match, and i'm not interested in making my Local iTunes Library available in the Cloud. However I AM interested in adding Apple Music content to my device and potentially making it available offline. When I upgraded to 8.4 it initially disabled iCloud Music Library and tells me to go to settings to enable. There's also a question when potentially enabling it whether I "Merge" local and cloud or not.

So, is this the new iTunes match? If I enable am I going to be charged for BOTH Match and Apple Music ? This is confusing !!?!!
 

tylerpashigian

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I am having the same issue. If you go to your settings it is giving you the option to subscribe to iTunes Match, so I don't think we are being charged for it. But that still doesn't explain why when I plug my phone into my computer and try to add a song, I get the error message saying something alone the lines of "Some files weren't downloaded because iTunes Match is on your iPhone."

When I check the "On this iPhone" tab, all my music is there. But not on my phone. There is an option to select "Only display music on this iPhone" so if you uncheck that, you can see much more music. But in my case not all of the music is there....very confused. Any ideas?
 

uhaas

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I have the same issue, as well as not being able to play songs from their catalog. It's hokey to say the least.

In my case I was an iTunes Match subscriber, but I didn't have it on all my devices. (I like to keep my iPad off match so I know it always has music on it for the plane and won't automagically delete songs, as Match has done since iOS 7.)
 

lars666

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I am also still confused what exactly the iCloud Music Library setting - which is necessary for adding AM songs to playlists and "my music" - does and therefore afraid to activate it. Will it mess with my "local" playlists/music (which I transfer old-school-like through iTunes) and try to match everything of it in the cloud? (like iTunes Match) I don't want that, I'd only use it if my local music and my music added through AM are able to idependently co-exist on my devices. Has anybody an answer concerning this question? Thanks in advance!
 

Sheza

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Put it this way: You're not going to be charged anything extra without signing in / Touch ID to confirm. So I would guess you're not being charged for iTunes Match by using the cloud thing. I think it's simple.

Apple Music includes an iTunes Match type service as part of the subscription.
If you cancel Apple Music, your music that is not purchased from iTunes, will cease to be available on any and all devices via the cloud. It'll just be on the respective device that it was download offline on.
 
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tylerpashigian

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Update:

I turned off iCloud music library on my phone settings and it synced all of my original music to my phone. This erases all of the music you have saved to your device via Apple Music, but when you turn iCloud Music library back on and merge libraries, this fixes the issue.
 

kmj2318

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Update:

I turned off iCloud music library on my phone settings and it synced all of my original music to my phone. But now I lost all of the Apple Music added to my phone. So iTunes thinks that iCloud music library is equal to iTunes match as of now...hoping this gets fixed soon.
Did you choose Merge after you turned on iCloud music library?
 

tylerpashigian

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Did you choose Merge after you turned on iCloud music library?
Just edited my post after I tried this before I saw your reply. It worked, I guess I should've resorted to turning it off and on before posting...seems to be the fix to 90% of problems.
 

Loge

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But then presumably you will have to turn it off and on again every time you want to sync and go through the merge process again?
 

tylerpashigian

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But then presumably you will have to turn it off and on again every time you want to sync and go through the merge process again?
Have not tried it yet. I don't think so, I think it was a bug the first time the update installed. At least thats what I hope.
 

jsmith189

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My main problem is album artwork. I have literally six different album covers, some not at all related, on one album (only on iOS, not OS X), because they're trying to presumably match? Even when I didn't ask it to.

I don't want to have to turn off iCloud Music Library just to get my tags and organisation to stay, because I love the idea of saving to My Music and making available offline.
 
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eroxx

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Im also having a problem and losing my mind :)

I have more than 25,000 in my library on computer, but I want the apple music playlists to sync. And if not, I at least want to be able to sync music to my iPhone and iPad!!
 

shinji

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I backed up and then deleted my whole library. Now I'm starting fresh with a streaming-only library, and it's working great. Somehow Apple's idea of making 'My Music' one homogenous mix just doesn't work.
 
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Dimwhit

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I'll try asking in this thread instead of starting a new one, because I'm not understanding this.

I have iTunes Match, which I assuming I'll be dumping soon. I don't want the original iCloud Library because my library is 60GB+ and I don't want to pay for the space. But to add songs to playlists and save for offline listening, iCloud Library has to be enabled. Does that mean I have to pay to fit my entire library in the cloud in order to get this functionality of Apple Music, or is it separate and I'm just using the free 5GB for the Apple Music functionality and keeping my music in the cloud with iTunes Match? I'm really confused on that. And if my kids go to save a song to the playlist, are they using their own 5GB of free iCloud Library space, or are they using mine, which is the main Family Plan account?

Does any of that even make sense?
 

shinji

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I'll try asking in this thread instead of starting a new one, because I'm not understanding this.

I have iTunes Match, which I assuming I'll be dumping soon. I don't want the original iCloud Library because my library is 60GB+ and I don't want to pay for the space. But to add songs to playlists and save for offline listening, iCloud Library has to be enabled. Does that mean I have to pay to fit my entire library in the cloud in order to get this functionality of Apple Music, or is it separate and I'm just using the free 5GB for the Apple Music functionality and keeping my music in the cloud with iTunes Match? I'm really confused on that. And if my kids go to save a song to the playlist, are they using their own 5GB of free iCloud Library space, or are they using mine, which is the main Family Plan account?

Does any of that even make sense?
This is independent of iCloud storage space. Any playlist you make will be visible on all of your devices, and if you have an internet connection, you can stream it. If you want to save songs for offline listening, that is limited by the storage space of your device, not your iCloud storage space.
 

flur

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This is independent of iCloud storage space. Any playlist you make will be visible on all of your devices, and if you have an internet connection, you can stream it. If you want to save songs for offline listening, that is limited by the storage space of your device, not your iCloud storage space.
In my case, any playlist I have will be duplicated on all my devices, with a number added to the end. *facepalm*
 

shinji

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In my case, any playlist I have will be duplicated on all my devices, with a number added to the end. *facepalm*
Hmmph, weird. It isn't doing that for me on my mac and iPhone.
 

imacken

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I like to keep my iPad off match so I know it always has music on it for the plane and won't automagically delete songs, as Match has done since iOS 7.
Match will not erase music already downloaded on the device. So, on your iPad, if you have music sitting on the device, switch on Match, then you will get a warning about 'merging/replacing' the library, say yes and then both the music on device as well as music in your cloud library will be available on your iPad.
 

nebo1ss

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i wished they had created a Different app for Apple music and Apple radio instead of integrating it into itunes. I have no interest in putting my music on Apple Icloud, I have no interest in subscribing to Apple music or even the free trial. If it was a different app i could simply have put it on the last page where I put all the other Apple Apps I do not use, like Ibooks, Itunes U, Newstand, Game center etc.

I just want Itunes to be able to play my music and give me all the functionality that was there before like sorting by albums or songs. The only sort I have now is to sort by artists.
 

Dimwhit

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This is independent of iCloud storage space. Any playlist you make will be visible on all of your devices, and if you have an internet connection, you can stream it. If you want to save songs for offline listening, that is limited by the storage space of your device, not your iCloud storage space.
Thanks. And I assume that each user in a family plan has their own, separate storage? I don't really want to see my daughter's playlists. :)
 

flur

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Hmmph, weird. It isn't doing that for me on my mac and iPhone.
I haven't upgraded my iPad and MBA, just my iPhone and MBP. Now I'm afraid what will happen if I add the other two machines. There'll be four of everything on every device!