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circatee

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Typical, I was answering a question on another thread, and a question came to mind.

With a MBA Early 2015, 8GB memory and 256GB PCIE storage (plain Jane Mac, nothing special per se' installed), when open an app, on average how many 'bumps' before the application should open?

Example, when opening Outlook for Mac (seems to be Outlook 2016), it will take 7-8 bumps of the icon, to open. This is when I FIRST open the application for the day. Word & Excel takes 12 bumps.

Would you say that is 'standard', or...?
 

chabig

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The number of bounces can only be compared between identical machines. The number is different for every app, but what you posted for the Office apps are probably right for your machine. That they don't open more quickly says more about Microsoft's code than about your Mac.
 
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xboxbml

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Yeah, that's why I don't use Outlook on mine.. I do have the 2016 suite, but only use Word or Excel when I need to, which isn't often on this. Those are BIG programs to open. Interesting... I get 5 bounces on Word, 4 on Excel open. I have same machine as you. I do, however, have an NVMe drive in mine. See sig.. Perhaps that is why. I do get twice the performance out of this drive than the 512gb Apple drive I had bought after I bought this used and swapped the 128gb original.
 
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circatee

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Yeah, that's why I don't use Outlook on mine.. I do have the 2016 suite, but only use Word or Excel when I need to, which isn't often on this. Those are BIG programs to open. Interesting... I get 5 bounces on Word, 4 on Excel open. I have same machine as you. I do, however, have an NVMe drive in mine. See sig.. Perhaps that is why. I do get twice the performance out of this drive than the 512gb Apple drive I had bought after I bought this used and swapped the 128gb original.

To be honest, I only use the Microsoft Outlook suite app for Work emails, Calendar and Contacts. And the default Mail app, for personal emails.

I am too scared to have both accounts on the same default mail app. Just in case I go to send a work email, and I send it from the wrong account. I would be livid...
 

xboxbml

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To be honest, I only use the Microsoft Outlook suite app for Work emails, Calendar and Contacts. And the default Mail app, for personal emails.

I am too scared to have both accounts on the same default mail app. Just in case I go to send a work email, and I send it from the wrong account. I would be livid...
I understand..
 

ghanwani

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That's slow, but maybe normal for a 5 year old machine. When that started happening with my 2010 MBP in 2016, I ended up upgrading.

What version of macOS are you running?
 

circatee

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OS is probably not a problem then.

If I had to guess it's likely SSD speed. What % of your SSD is full? Anything more than 70% and it's probably impacting load times significantly.
Maybe it is simply the processor. My usage case is 204.6GB free of 250.79GB
 

JLH81

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My MBP (2015) bounced about as many times as yours does. My M1 is significantly faster as would be expected.
 
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circatee

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My MBP (2015) bounced about as many times as yours does. My M1 is significantly faster as would be expected.
And faster in general for Outlook, Word and Excel?
Also, what about OneNote, do you use that application?

Thanks for the feedback.
 

ghanwani

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Maybe it is simply the processor. My usage case is 204.6GB free of 250.79GB
If it was the processor, performance would be slow all the time, not just when you tried to open the app the first time. When you load it the first time it tries to read it from SSD. Of course there's a lot going on in terms of memory management as well and the newer processors may have more hardware optimization.
 

JLH81

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I don't use One Note. Outlook took 6 bounces to open, and Word took 5 (first time opening after a reboot). This is on an M1 MBA.
 
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ghanwani

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I don't use One Note. Outlook took 6 bounces to open, and Word took 5 (first time opening after a reboot). This is on an M1 MBA.
This is expected.

Microsoft notes that on M1 Macs, the first launch of each Office app will take longer. This is because of the underlying Rosetta 2 layer in macOS which needs to launch and generate code for the M1 processor.
 

circatee

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To confirm, on my MBA Early 2015, post first boot:
- Outlook takes from 11 - 18 bounces. After that, 3 bounces for launching the application
- OneNote takes 10 - 12 bounces. After that, 3 bounces for launching the application

I just tested it again. So, really, not bad for an old MBA. A shame on the M1 said apps are not opening 'instantly'.
But, I did not a post about due to Rosetta 2, that might assist with causing a delay...
 

DeltaMac

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Icon "bounces" at launch are usually directly related to the coding of that app, and not an indication of any problem.
The app rebuilds cache files on first launch, for example.
How many bounces on the second and later launch of the same app?
You should expect the second launch to be noticeably faster.
 

circatee

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Icon "bounces" at launch are usually directly related to the coding of that app, and not an indication of any problem.
The app rebuilds cache files on first launch, for example.
How many bounces on the second and later launch of the same app?
You should expect the second launch to be noticeably faster.
3 bounces...
 

circatee

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hmm... Microsoft has never been the best "player" on the Mac.
But, your report seems acceptable, eh?
It will suffice, due to the age of the unit. However, here's hoping with newer models, this speed gets better.
Thanks for the feedback.
 

xboxbml

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It will suffice, due to the age of the unit. However, here's hoping with newer models, this speed gets better.
Thanks for the feedback.
Yeah, this one I have works great with the new 2tb non-Apple NVMe SSD. Twice the speed. I'll have this for a long time more before I even consider buying a new one..
 
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