But how many consumers are even aware 5G is coming in 2020? They don’t pay attention to things like this, but keep in mind, consumers upgrade when they need to, not when they want to. Meaning, if they have an older device that might be sluggish or the battery needs replacing, (and of course if the device is paid off), then they’ll just trade in their device and upgrade to whatever is the latest. They don’t plan for the future like other techies do on here.
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iPhone X If Apple doesn’t release a newly designed iPhone do you think sales will fall further?
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But how many consumers are even aware 5G is coming in 2020? They don’t pay attention to things like this, but keep in mind, consumers upgrade when they need to, not when they want to. Meaning, if they have an older device that might be sluggish or the battery needs replacing, (and of course if the device is paid off), then they’ll just trade in their device and upgrade to whatever is the latest. They don’t plan for the future like other techies do on here.
Information like the one you are stating is useful in determining a segments health, and is an indication to overall performance of that industry, this is used along with other anecdotal information. To make market analyses to prevent or cut off problems that may arise.
Yep. At this point in time, I expect the primary reason folks replace their phones more often than other gadgets is battery life or accidental damage.
It's like PC sales. Personally, after I stopped gaming, there was just no need to upgrade my desktop anymore. My current desktop is like 5+ years old (quad-core Ivy Bridge, 16GB RAM, 256GB mSATA + 1TB 2.5" SSD) but it's still more than fast enough for the tasks I use it for (minor web browsing, spreadsheets, Blu-ray ripping, ebook management, local HTTP/FTP server).
It's price not design why sales are slowing. A few years ago when the new iPhone was £529 it was easy to upgrade yearly, now it's basically double the price so people are keeping phones longer.
Yes, due in part to market saturation. In other part because a large percentage of people are broken, mindless, emotional, drones who think a new case redesign on a phone would make them happy.
This is a key thing, but I think the drop to the new normal will be impeded by many iPhone 6 and 6s users switching in the very near future. iPhone 6 and 6 Plus were the largest selling iPhones IIRC.
That’s why Apple needs another entry-level segment of an iPhone like the SE, so _if_ this 5.4 inch iPhone proves to be true in 2020, and if it’s a properly priced I’d say somewhere in the realm of $500-$600, Apple needs to expand the demographic of having a phone for everyone with certain price points that they can afford. Consumers don’t care about smart phone designs, not when smart phones generally all look the same.
As good as it would be for everyone I just don't see Apple bringing out a new device in that price range anymore, they'd rather people buy older models for that price.
I will upgrade just to see if I can get a phone that will actually transmit and receive data in “2 bar” areas. My XS is the worse phone I think I’ve ever had for reception reliability. I lose data connection frequently even though the phone shows 2 bars, sometimes 3. This is in my front yard, back yard and sometimes on the interstate. If I weren’t so deep in the ecosystem I’d seriously consider busting out right now. So tired of form over function and being told what I want. Weren’t we all told how nobody wanted a touchscreen laptop? Sure looks like we’re trying to make our “touchscreen” iPads into laptops now... keyboards, mouse support, expanded external device support, etc. Signed, frustrated apple fan.
The main point of your quote was about market saturation. That’s not going to change with cheaper phones.
And Apple Stock has doubled... keep with the same!2 years later a lot of people are still saying this and I’m one of them
Hopefully sales drop further down and force Apple to release this rumored Asian phone worldwide
Bet you millions continue to buy the phone. How much you want to wager?
Tens of millions of people will buy the new iPhones but tens of millions also won’t. The upgrade percentage is diminishing each year as we well know, so criticism is valid to a degree. It’s telling that Apples flagship devices aren’t the main draw and their mid tier phone is in higher demand this year. I don’t see that pattern changing due to a more attractive price point.
Yes when will it start to switch to not just saying it but not buying it for more people. Think we will finally skip to save some money with the prices continually rising.2 years later a lot of people are still saying this and I’m one of them
Hopefully sales drop further down and force Apple to release this rumored Asian phone worldwide
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Yes if it ever gets to where we are. Even when they did LTE in Philly, it took like two years to make it to us, and I don't see any NYC/Philly 5G markets to start. Heck some barely have any of the Northeast at all.
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Yes even better are the ones who cry about the price but in their next breath are buying the next one. Why would Apple even care if people keep buying??
Yeah, I agree. However the person I quoted was claiming it would be due to Apple putting out a “trash phone”, which we know isn’t true.
While mostly true, it doesn't really justify only having two design profiles in 6 years (iPhone 6, 6S, 7, 8; iPhone X, XS and "11")
Based on what you mentioned here, I really doubt iPhone 11 sales will go off the roof. Since the X and cost hitting the $1000 mark, people are holding onto their phones longer. Especially with 5G, hopefully coming in 2020, that's when you'll see more people upgrade their phones. Also, the issue with tariffs, who knows what will happen to iPhone price tag.
I am, however, planning on picking up an XS if price goes down significantly when iPhone 11 hits the stores. I like the size of the XS. Next year 2020, I'll upgrade my XS Max to the 11S Max, and keep both XS and 11S Max.
I’m not convinced the masses are waiting for 5G with any excitement to be honest. When 4G was launched we didn’t see a surge of people looking to update that I remember and I don’t think 5G is being advertised massively in the few areas where it’s currently available.
I can tell you personally, 5G is the last thing that really appeals to me. It will take time for it to mature and become more predominant just aside from when it launches. As a matter of fact, I’m not sure that really is _anything_ a smart phone can offer me anymore that would entice me to want to upgrade, because they primarily have hit a point where they really all do the same thing, just slightly different from its competition.
I don't think it matters, nor do I think Apple is in any kind of real trouble here.
Those that know how great and unmatched iPhone is, will stay on iPhone loyally. Those who forget that fact, will leave for Android temporarily, only to come back and beg for forgiveness. So I don't buy into this whole iPhone loyalty "problem".
Don't expect a new design this year. 2020 will be the big change. If you have a XS/XS Max, you can skip this year if you want, but next year is the redesign and hardware outward facing changes. I think the XS Max is still the phone to beat.
Those that know how great and unmatched iPhone is, will stay on iPhone loyally. Those who forget that fact, will leave for Android temporarily, only to come back and beg for forgiveness. So I don't buy into this whole iPhone loyalty "problem".
Don't expect a new design this year. 2020 will be the big change. If you have a XS/XS Max, you can skip this year if you want, but next year is the redesign and hardware outward facing changes. I think the XS Max is still the phone to beat.
Having to design a product that
1) unique from others.
2) unique from the previous design
3) does not attract copyright infringement claims
4) most people ok with
5) provide a fresh feeling to users
6) industry leading
It is extremely difficult to meet all the de facto requirements listed above. Even though Apple keeps the same design for 6 years, it might still be okay.
Of course it might still be okay. Most people don't know or care about this stuff. Diehards notice, but many still stick with Apple because of loyalty.
I admire how far Samsung has come in the same time period. The same year as the iPhone 6 was the Galaxy S5. The iPhone 6 was way better than the S5 in every way ! OK, maybe except expandable storage or removable battery. S5 was cheaper though. But look now.. The S10 has no notch (just a very small chin and camera cutout at the top), higher res and superior display to the XS, triple camera (coming soon to iPhone), reverse wireless charging (also coming soon) headphone jack, USB C, and overall premium design with gently curved edge screen (an overlooked feat of engineering). Samsung has iterated the phone tremendously over the years with 5 different designs over 6 years, whereas Apple only had 2. Sure, the 2020 iPhone is going to be amazing (finally) and the current one is very good, but just not that compelling. It's more complacent than it has to be, presumably for the sake of profits.
Some, like me, stick with Apple because they make the best products for me.
The s10 also doesn’t have a facial recognition system that’s on par with Face ID. Less electronics.
The s10 doesn’t beat the Xs max in taking better pictures and videos in all scenarios though, and it wasn’t even first with the triple camera.
Headphone jack gone on the note 10 though.
Samsung can keep usb-c, to me it’s vslue is dubious. Liking the Curved edge screen is subjective.
To my counting Apple had 4.
The 2019 phone may be amazing as well. Apple is not a company to trash its value over profits, so I disagree with what was said.
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You can admire Samsung all you want but they aren’t doing so well, s9 sales flopped last year and the s10 isn’t doing any better. If you only compare s10 and s10 plus sales to the s9 and s9+ then it’s actually doing worse.
While apple q2 iPhone sales seem to have picked up. Apple sold 16 million iPhone XS Max and 16 million xr models in q1, I wouldn’t call that complacent.