If I buy a 2011 MBP

Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by thadoggfather, Sep 9, 2011.

  1. thadoggfather macrumors G3


    Oct 1, 2007
    Can I still load SL on it?

    Or have they been refreshed with newer Lion keys printed (Launchpad button and Mission Control button) and to work only with Lion?

    Would an Intel 3000 perform comparably at 1920x1200 on a 24" as my 320M from my 2010 13" MBP?
  2. mountains macrumors regular

    Aug 26, 2011
    They've been refreshed with Mission Control/Launchpad keys, but I'd be kind of surprised if they couldn't actually run SL if you just clean installed it (although I've definitely been wrong before).

    Comparably, in that neither one of them is likely to run modern games very well at 1920x1200. The 320M is a bit better, though, because it has the edge when it comes to things like shader support.
  3. BLOCKMONSTER macrumors member

    Aug 19, 2011
    You would need the actual gray restore discs that came with your specific MBP (ex 15" comes with its own, 13" comes with its own, etc). Mine came with just Lion and I end up buying 1 from eBay brand new. But after all that, i ended with a clean install of Lion so I don't know why I went thru all that to be back where I started. At least I learned a lil more about my MBP.
  4. i4k20c macrumors 6502a


    Sep 10, 2005
    Someone was telling me it wouldn't work. I too was deeply surprised by this, but have never tested it.

    Obviously Thunderbolt wouldn't work and you could get some program to reassign keys i'm sure.

    But i too was kind of :confused: as to why the OS wouldn't install, say if you had a Leopard DVD and Snow Leopard DVD.
  5. killerrobot macrumors 68020


    Jun 7, 2007
    From what I've been told, you can never downgrade below what the system was shipped with. So if it ships with Lion pre-installed, there's no way to downgrade to SL.

    So it would have to come with SL installed (probably still a good chance of that) in order to use SL.
  6. henry72, Oct 1, 2011
    Last edited: Oct 1, 2011

    henry72 macrumors 65816


    Jun 18, 2009
    New Zealand
    No I don't agree. Since the machine was shipped with SL early this year. The new MacBook Pro ships with Lion is just an OS update, no hardware changes. Unless they locked from the firmware.

    It cannot downgrade when it's a new hardware with Lion like the new Mac Mini and Air. I think is to do with the drivers.
  7. medi.freak macrumors regular

    May 26, 2011
    I bought my 2011 macbook pro fairly early, so it still shipped with SL, but I got the free upgrade to Lion. Does that mean that if I wanted to I could downgrade again (since I do have the CD still that came with the laptop) and the OP can not? Strange...since the laptops are not different are they? I would say it would work...maybe I am wrong.
  8. RayK macrumors 6502

    Oct 13, 2005
    You cab downgrade to sl you would just have to get a sl disc.
  9. Young Spade macrumors 68020

    Mar 31, 2011
    Tallahassee, Florida
    If you have the disk, you can downgrade.

    If the MBP does NOT come with the disk... ?

    For the MBA, if it came WITH lion, you CANNOT go back to SL.

    I think this is the same for the MBPs, but I am not sure. There's a reason why the MBAs can't go down; it's easy to assume that it's the same case for the MBP. (the reasoning)
  10. Nychot macrumors 6502a

    Aug 15, 2011
    I had the genius bar replace lion with SL bevause my office 2004 Wont run under lion. No problem. It took 20 minutes and they didnt even use my disks that i brought to the apple store. For some mysterious reason apple tevh support on the phone claims it cant be downgraded.

  11. Lennyvalentin macrumors 6502a


    Apr 25, 2011
    Only the graphic printed on the key changed, the actual hardware and its functionality is obviously left untouched or else those keys wouldn't work for snow kitty upgraders. So going back from lion will thusly also work.

    Under Macos: roughly yes. Some say even a slight advantage for the Intel 3000, maybe because the sandy bridge CPU is such a huge upgrade compared to the core2 duo in the older 13".

    Under windows, the Intel 3000 driver used to be poorly optimized and thus noticeably slower in games than the older Nvidia GPU. Intel recently released a driver update however so maybe the difference is less pronounced now, I haven't seen anyone do any benchmarks so who knows. Intel has always been notoriously bad at writing software for its own processors (other than its compiler) so I wouldn't have any big hopes... :p

    Thunderbolt works with snow kitty.

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