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iPad Pro If I never plan on using the Stylus Why? Do I need a Pro?
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Pushing aside for the moment the fact that the iPad (any of them) is a computer. I agree that for many it can't replace a desktop or laptop. But ever since the iPad was first introduced they have replaced desktops and laptops for a great many people. Most of whom are likely more casual users for whom the laptops and desktops were overkill.
But as I've said before, bigger devices won't suit everyone. It's why I love the iPad Pro and my wife won't own anything larger than an iPad Mini and she's someone who's iPad has completely replaced the use of a laptop.
I think if Apple were to release a version of Xcode for the iPad Pro, even I'd have only occasional use for my Mac.
But the iPad Pro isn't just about replacing a traditional computer. In fact it's not even its primary purpose, as Apple have said many times. A Mac for when you need it and an iPad for when you don't.
The bigger screen, for many people myself included, just enhances what was already available. I never used split screen on my iPad Air because I found everything to be too small and cramped. Now it's something I use every day. I never listened to music on my iPad without headphones, now I do. I'd never have considered sitting down in front of my iPad Air to type up multi-page reports because I found the keyboards too cramped, but now I don't have that issue.
I wouldn't say it's not for the casual user, perhaps not for a great deal of them, but you don't need to be a professional, or an artist, or need it to replace a desktop or laptop. You just need to have a desire for certain aspects of using an iPad to be enhanced beyond what they already are.
That's something I always wanted, for all of the iPads I've ever owned I've thought how nice it would be for some things if only it were a bit bigger. But that's just that personal preference thing, my wife just rolls her eyes and happily goes back to her iPad Mini.
what, you think the ipad is a computer replacement for most people?
i'd say the proportion of actual computer replacement and dumping in place of an ipad is very very small. i'd say the majority use both together.
For a lot of developing countries people are just getting by with only a smartphone. So I don't see a reason why an iPad cannot be a computer replacement for most people.
Presuming
You're not wrong for you. Others value features that you may not. That's the nature of just about any buying decision. "I don't care about food being organic, so why should I pay a higher price for organic food?"
The whole, "iPad can't replace a computer" thing is ridiculous. It's about as valid as, "Real men don't eat quiche."
Is a Windows machine not a computer because it doesn't run OS X apps?
Were the machines I learned on in the 1970s (TTY, text-based UI) not computers because they lacked CRT displays or graphics capabilities? What about the IBM PCs with green, text-only displays?
iOS devices are most certainly computers. They may lack specific features and compatibilities that a particular person requires of a computer, but that can be true of any computer - if you need a supercomputer, a PC or Mac won't do.
Before I bought my first generation iPad, I needed to carry a laptop. Afterwards, I did not. I still need a desktop Mac, but iPad is more than enough for the computing work I do away from my desktop. The work I do on my iPad is compatible with the apps I use on my desktop (and if iOS 5.1.1 was compatible with newer iCloud features like iCloud Drive and iCloud Photo Library, I'd be even happier).
I'm also pretty tired of the "pro" thing. "I'm a pro, because I need a computer with a high end GPU, you're not a pro because you don't need a computer with a high end GPU." Owning a product with "pro" in the name, whether it's a computer or a app, does not make someone a professional, owning a product without "pro" in the name does not make someone an amateur. Either you're paid to do a job, or you're not. Professionals can use whatever tool is adequate to do the job. Sometimes that tool must be very elaborate and expensive, sometimes it can be simple and cheap.
You're not wrong for you. Others value features that you may not. That's the nature of just about any buying decision. "I don't care about food being organic, so why should I pay a higher price for organic food?"
The whole, "iPad can't replace a computer" thing is ridiculous. It's about as valid as, "Real men don't eat quiche."
Is a Windows machine not a computer because it doesn't run OS X apps?
Were the machines I learned on in the 1970s (TTY, text-based UI) not computers because they lacked CRT displays or graphics capabilities? What about the IBM PCs with green, text-only displays?
iOS devices are most certainly computers. They may lack specific features and compatibilities that a particular person requires of a computer, but that can be true of any computer - if you need a supercomputer, a PC or Mac won't do.
Before I bought my first generation iPad, I needed to carry a laptop. Afterwards, I did not. I still need a desktop Mac, but iPad is more than enough for the computing work I do away from my desktop. The work I do on my iPad is compatible with the apps I use on my desktop (and if iOS 5.1.1 was compatible with newer iCloud features like iCloud Drive and iCloud Photo Library, I'd be even happier).
I'm also pretty tired of the "pro" thing. "I'm a pro, because I need a computer with a high end GPU, you're not a pro because you don't need a computer with a high end GPU." Owning a product with "pro" in the name, whether it's a computer or a app, does not make someone a professional, owning a product without "pro" in the name does not make someone an amateur. Either you're paid to do a job, or you're not. Professionals can use whatever tool is adequate to do the job. Sometimes that tool must be very elaborate and expensive, sometimes it can be simple and cheap.
absolutely yes. IT's just a matter of habit that prevents most people to switch entirely to tablets.
This 100 times over!
It's not that the pro behaves that different than the air 2, it's just that the size of the display makes all the difference in the world with productivity. I always considered my Aif 2 to be a media device and nothing more. I tried to do other things on it but it always felt like it was harder than doing it with a computer. That all changed with the ipp. Simply having more screen real estate allows me to do much more with the iPad than I ever could before. The on screen keyboard is so much better now, that I can basically type as fast on it as I can a physical keyboard. The split screen is much more useful since you can actually see what you have on half of your screen, instead of just having a tiny split screen like the air 2.
Apple was right when they tagged the ipp as a productivity device. Naysayers say it's just a huge iPad that still comes with all the limitations of iOS, and they are right to an extent. But iOS has matured to the point of being able to be a primary personal computing OS for 75-80 percent of users, and having the large display allows for a much more productive experience.
I can't draw and my handwriting is terrible. I don't do presentations nor do I really do anything that the pro was '"designed for," yet I find it an amazing user experience. It is the tablet that can replace my laptop. The air 2 wasn't big enough to do that, but the ipp is.
So yes, I say get the pro. It's price is not that different than the air 2 (a couple hundred bucks if you find a sale) and look at what you get. A much larger display, amazing speakers, a much better processor, twice the ram, and a device that you really can do a lot more with.
I wish some people would stop telling us - without any foundation in fact and based only on their own needs, limitations - what MOST PEOPLE DO.
It is so much more interesting and informative when people tell us what they do with their technology and why they made their choices.
It is so much more interesting and informative when people tell us what they do with their technology and why they made their choices.
Considering the Stylus (pencil) is optional, i would say you would "need" the pro for:
1) Screen size
2) Processing power (wich the Air 2 has anyway)
3) Better speaker
So unless you like / need the bigger screen there's nothing really necessary ...the big selling point for the pro are really the Pencil, the screen and the fact that it is the latest gadget.
1) Screen size
2) Processing power (wich the Air 2 has anyway)
3) Better speaker
So unless you like / need the bigger screen there's nothing really necessary ...the big selling point for the pro are really the Pencil, the screen and the fact that it is the latest gadget.
They may use both but they don't need both. Average users do email, social media, web surfing, maybe some light photo editing, and that's about it. All of that can be done easily on an iPad. People buy computers because that's how it's always been. They think they need a computer to do the most basic tasks.
I've said it before, unless someone is a student, or needs a computer for their profession or advanced hobby such as video editing etc, a computer is overkill. iOS is far better than a laptop at doing the things that most consumers do.
An iPad is cheaper (compared to macs) has much better battery life, a better display, and a better in app experience in a lot of cases vs doing it on a web browser.
Again I'm not saying everyone can accomplish what they need to solely on an iPad, but 75-80% of people can.
I work in wireless and 90 percent of my customers don't even scratch the surface of what their phone can do, let alone an iPad. They use it for a few tasks, and that's it. For them a computer is completely unnecessary, they have no reason to own one.
Now that I'm no longer in school, I have no reason for one either. The ipp is all the computer I need. I bought the retina MacBook because I liked it, but the ipp gets most of my attention.
i think my wording is being confused/miss-read. i'm not meaning or asking if the ipp is/can be a computer replacement, i know it can be for so many people. i was talking is it actually a computer replacement for most, not can it be.
see what i mean
I agree that there are large numbers that do use both. It's harder to know whether the iPad replaced a laptop in a desktop-plus-laptop configuration, whether it was a first-time addition of a portable device (previously was desktop-only), or supplemental (added to a desktop-plus-laptop configuration).
However, I've encountered a fair number of people who replaced a desktop with an iPad (mostly middle-aged and older people abandoning cheap PCs as overly-complicated, malware-prone messes), and similar or larger numbers who never owned a PC who now have an iPad (both seniors and kids). That last is not strictly a replacement, but it is an alternative that previously had not existed. How many would have gotten PCs had the iPad not been a viable alternative, versus how many would have not gotten a PC at all, is yet another question.
There are more and more families where everyone owns a mobile device as a solution to family harmony - there's still one or more PCs, but less need to share them. For the family members who never/rarely use the PC again, you can argue "replacement," yet for other family members it is not.
In my case (and I'm sure many others), tablets and smart phones extend computer usage to situations where it would never have previously occurred. I never carried a laptop when I went to the bar, on a hike.
Overall, as there are many scenarios to be evaluated, survey results may not come up with a "mostly."
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i think my wording is being confused/miss-read. i'm not meaning or asking if the ipp is/can be a computer replacement, i know it can be for so many people. i was talking is it actually a computer replacement for most, not can it be.
see what i mean
You would have to go to a store and try it out a bit tbh. Or buy and return as another route. this is really a personal matter. It is replacing for some, but not others. that will be based on needs and preferences.
I gave IPP a go a good while at a store, quite a few times in fact. Nothing about it screamed buy me. It could not replace my MBP in any way (lack of application support and features, the same things I have had with any ipad I have had).
Nothing about it said "man....my mini 4 used when not by the mbp seems so inadequate now, must have this". I left going nothing seat of pants feeling was faster or better than my mini 4 with IPP. Screen size was never an issue I had with ipads tbh. this didn't hook and reel me in.
But that's me. You are you. Asking here...well...you are seeing your answers. Like most threads like this go. I can't see using an ipad for everything. Other person over there can. Who is correct? No one.
I don't understand what you mean.i think my wording is being confused/miss-read. i'm not meaning or asking if the ipp is/can be a computer replacement, i know it can be for so many people. i was talking is it actually a computer replacement for most, not can it be.
see what i mean
Your earlier post was saying that you think that the iPad is not a replacement for most people. And you think that most people use it together with a computer.
Why are you now moving the goal post?
I'd argue it is for most but not for some.
Edit: I mean in terms of capability. It can easily replace the laptop or desktop for most.
I'm planning to get it to use with Jumpdesktop which supports keyboards and mice so I'll be able to use all the OS X and Windows versions of apps when needed. I wouldn't do that on a smaller iPad.
It will literally replace a laptop in such a situation. This is particularly true since my desktops will do all the heavy lifting, and do so far more capably than any laptop.
It will literally replace a laptop in such a situation. This is particularly true since my desktops will do all the heavy lifting, and do so far more capably than any laptop.
I think what he meant was, that most people don't use the iPad as an only device, but as a companion device with a desk top - although it could be the only device for many people.
I also know almost none who use the iPad as their only computing device, although many of them just do nothing that would really require a desktop, only some facebook, youtube, web search stuff.
Maybe it will just take some time that some people recognize that they actually don't need a whole pc/laptop for their use?
(or not)Back to the OP - don't buy the Pro, when you don't plan to use the Pencil, don't need a 12,9" screen and good speakers. If you take these things away, the Pro is just a bigger and more expensive iPad. Wait out for the new Pro mini (or whatever) that will be probably introduced in a few days. Maybe it will have the better speakers or maybe the Air 2 price will drop.
no. no goal posts or point of views changed. just trying to explain not too easily i fear.
for general use i think the ipp is a general computer replacement. absolutely. always have done.
but physically? has it actually been a replacement for most? is it actually a replacement in people's houses? i dont think so. far from it. most still need/use a desktop and or laptop as well as/instead of where they dont need to.
My uneducated and personal point of view point being, the ipp is capable of being a general computer replacement. but it isn't actually turning out like that for most people. even though it can.
if you think the Pro is general computer replacement for most, you're saying there's more ipp's around than laptops/desktops. see what im saying? i do think it is a potential replacement in general computing terms, but is it actually physically replacing for the majority even though it can?
In your original post you were asking for my opinion. Now your asking for facts which is slightly different.
However this is going is going a little of topic. So I think we should let people move on with the discussion.
Well it completely depends on the individual and their computing needs. I personally know quite a few people who have completely replaced their desktops and laptops with an iPad of one variety or other and have no interest in ever owning a traditional computing platform again.
Indeed you need only look at the quite significant decline of traditional computer sales since the introduction of the iPad (and then subsequent other tablet varieties.) The numbers would certainly suggest that there are indeed a not insignificant amount of people replacing their traditional computing platforms. If you're curious about the numbers, don't take my word for it, a simple google search for iPad (and or tablet) impact on computer sales will bring you plenty of real world information on the impact the iPad has had.
While iPad sales may be on a bit of a downward slope at the moment, this would appear to be less to do with a declining interest and more to do with people having much less need to upgrade their existing iPads due to Apples continued support of them by keeping them up to date on a software level and of course making solid hardware in the first place.
But what do I know really, not blinking much, I'm just another bore who likes to waffle on when my medication kicks in
Doing more research on this. Sounds like a game changer.
[doublepost=1458225654][/doublepost]Jump desktop.
Interesting. I wonder why this app hasn't got more attention.
I like the iPad Pro keyboard. This is the first iPad keyboard that I really liked. It is powered by the iPad battery so no separate charging required, no bluetooth setup needed. And the keyboard converts into a cover and just gets out of the way and keeps the iPad as thin as possible. The keyboard works well for me for typing too.
I use the pen less often but the keyboard is daily.
I use the pen less often but the keyboard is daily.
The Pencil has a lot of uses, but if you don't see a need for it then you probably should pocket the $99. That doesn't mean the iPad Pro is useless without it. The bigger screen definitely helps when typing out emails, viewing documents, and watching media. I'm sure the new iPad Air 3 will be similar in terms of performance, but the iPP definitely has a huge advantage when it comes to screen real estate.