If iOS updates are free shouldn't OS X's be as well?

Discussion in 'OS X Mavericks (10.9)' started by dba415, Jun 14, 2013.

  1. dba415 macrumors 6502

    Jun 18, 2011
    If Apple are releasing iOS updates, which contain a lot of new features which are sometimes drastic, for free for iPad and iPod Touch, then why shouldn't OSX Mavericks also be free?
  2. DarkRyoushii macrumors newbie

    Jun 11, 2013
    Don't say that, they'll say hey you're right! iOS updates should cost money too!
  3. Twimfy macrumors 6502a


    Sep 11, 2011
    Attachment rates.

    People will hold onto a Mac for years but are likely to change their iPhone quite frequently.

    Charging for OS X updates is probably a way of generating revenue from older systems. They don't need to worry about this so much with iOS as the device attachment rate is lower.

    Once upon a time they did used to charge for iOS updates. I think version 2 and 3 cost money on the iTouch, I remember paying.
  4. benwiggy macrumors 68020

    Jun 15, 2012
    As much as the free software movement has been a good thing, it has encouraged an attitude of "entitlement" , whereby people now EXPECT software to be free and begrudge having to pay for it.
    Witness the many posts that start "Can you recommend some software that performs a vital tasks for me -- oh, but I don't want to pay for it".

    You should expect to pay for new software that provides new capabilities. Anything you get for free is a luxury and a bonus.

    Not pointing fingers, just making a general observation. :D

    Apple is a business, and they can charge whether they think will yield the highest margin. A new OS is $19.99...!!! That's an incredibly low price for what you get.
  5. ct2k7 macrumors 603


    Aug 29, 2008
    London or Florida
  6. view2darrel macrumors member

    Jul 26, 2012
    how about android update and windows 7 to 8 update. :) think...
  7. Ganesha macrumors regular

    Aug 4, 2009
    Apple has themselves covered. The following has been included in all recent quarterly statements.

    For the last few versions of OS X 'Qualifying versions' meant all Macs sold after a certain date (up-to-Date program). However, this sentence gives them sufficient cover to make it free.
  8. ThisIsNotMe Suspended

    Aug 11, 2008
    An iPhone is a consumer electronics device.
    An iMac is a computer.

    Two very different industries.
  9. robanga macrumors 68000


    Aug 25, 2007
    A big reason there are differences is accounting issues.

    You have to withhold revenue reporting whenever you promise future software functionality on tech. This has been true for some time.

    Every public company has to decide on a product by product basis, which software updates will be free, and then you often can only claim revenue amortized over the "life" of a device. This could be 24 months for a phone. Its kind of like treating hardware as a subscription service.

    When you ship a computer and then charge for future updates, you can often claim it is "done" and claim 100% of the revenue from the day it ships.

    This is part of the complexity that SOX has left us.
  10. ValSalva macrumors 68040


    Jun 26, 2009
    Burpelson AFB
    True. It's great that Apple doesn't charge for iOS updates. It makes life easier for developers because the vast majority of people upgrade to the most recent version of iOS.

    The Mac is more mature. It doesn't matter as much if not everyone is using the latest Mac OS as it does for iOS.
  11. travisbrowning macrumors member


    Jan 28, 2013
    Fort Walton Beach, FL
    I'm going to say the App Store plays a huge role in the pricing scheme for the OS. Apple makes huge revenue off the App Store for iOS, its easier to price the OS lower (free). If I recall correctly, Mac App Store came out with Snow Leopard, which is right around the time we saw the pretty big price drops on Mac OSX. I think Apple has realized thats the easiest way to beat piracy, is to make it easy to buy and cheap, we saw huge price drops on Logic, Final Cut and Aperture when they hit the app store.

    This is all speculation, I drank a lot last night, I haven't had my coffee. I may have some facts wrong.
  12. emori macrumors newbie

    Dec 28, 2012
    São Paulo, Brazil
    Apple used to charge for iOS update on iPods...
  13. Michaelgtrusa macrumors 604

    Oct 13, 2008
  14. Bear macrumors G3

    Jul 23, 2002
    Sol III - Terra
    You make some good points. From my point of view, software should be reasonably priced. I think most Adobe products have gone beyond reasonable priced. OS X upgrades are more than reasonably priced.
  15. Lolito macrumors 6502


    Mar 20, 2013
    I´m sure we pay for the OS when buying the machine. OSX is far more expensive than 20$. I would say the 20$ is an update price, as they don't sell macs without OS.

    Should be free? Well, right now, for those who want, they could pirate it so easily, but that is ilegal. so yes, it should be, not free, just free to update let's say.
  16. benwiggy macrumors 68020

    Jun 15, 2012
    Are you saying it should be free, or not? :confused:
    As already said, the true price of OS X is included in your hardware purchase. Point updates are free; new versions you have to pay a tiny amount.

    Leaving to one side the fact that Apple has more money than God: writing software costs money. People are paid salaries; they require offices, watercoolers, stationery, computers, teabags, etc to do their job.

    I personally don't want to live in a world where software development, literature, poetry, music, etc, etc, is all done as a hobby by amateurs in their spare time, because there are no jobs doing those things, because no one believes they should pay for them.

    You want what someone else has done: you pay for it.
  17. Lolito macrumors 6502


    Mar 20, 2013
    I like the current system:

    Pay if you want, or pirate it if you want.
  18. Oridus macrumors 6502a


    Oct 8, 2012
    I personally have no qualms in paying $20 for an OS update.... Unlike the $100-$200 for windows
  19. maflynn Moderator


    Staff Member

    May 3, 2009
    iOS updates are free because Apple is able to right off the cost as it considers the iPhone a subscription based sale.

    They cannot do so with OSX, additionally updates to OSX are free, you only have to pay for point upgrades, i.e., 10.x

    Finally since apple dropped the price of OSX from 125 to 20 (and probably 30 in Maverick's case) why are so many people whining about paying 30 dollars for a modern solid operating system. Consider what Microsoft charges for their upgrades, night and day.

    If anyone is unwilling to upgrade (and its their right) then no one is holding a gun to their head. Just don't upgrade.
  20. Andy-V macrumors 6502

    Oct 1, 2007
    With the very minor upgrades each release has, it would be nice if Apple gave something like 2 years of free OS X upgrades with every new mac purchase.
  21. benwiggy, Jun 17, 2013
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2013

    benwiggy macrumors 68020

    Jun 15, 2012
    If anyone downloads a pirated version of an OS, they are a fool, as well as a sponge on everyone else.

    By definition, such sources are not trustworthy, and the OS installer package could well have been modified with malware.

    If someone really thinks they need/want the software, but aren't prepared to pay $20: I wonder what they would pay $20 for?
    And what they would expect to be paid for what they do?
  22. HenryDJP macrumors 603

    Nov 25, 2012
    United States
    I cannot believe the multiple threads here with people expecting OS X upgrades to be free. :rolleyes:. iOS generates revenue 24/7 with customers paying monthly recurring charges to their iPhone carriers which Apple gets a piece of plus more people are buying iPhones at a constant then they are buying new Macs. Only the world of geeks are consistently buying a new Mac every year.
    And thanks to the Hackintosh community I wouldn't be surprised if Apple ever gives OS X for free. I mean, why should the company give a free OS upgrade to people who don't even buy Macs?
  23. Lolito macrumors 6502


    Mar 20, 2013
    That was truly funny: so u really think hackintosh user buy osx???? LOL!!!
  24. HenryDJP macrumors 603

    Nov 25, 2012
    United States
    You completely misunderstood my post 100%.
  25. Mr. Retrofire macrumors 603

    Mr. Retrofire

    Mar 2, 2010
    Yes. At least many people on insanelymac.com do it.

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