Nope i'm still sometimes buying normal DVDs. Until blueray comes standard i'll jump and blueray can say how high. I mean 80 for a Simpsons movie blueray thats a cartoon, wow no gain on homers t-shirt, wooptedoo.
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If Macs had Blu-ray?
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I'd never use BluRay on a laptop. Ever.
For a laptop screen, DVD is more than ample.
A laptop, for me, is a computer. I use it for computing. If I want BluRay for the main flatscreen telly, I'll buy a BluRay player or similar. For the laptop, DVD is great.
For a laptop screen, DVD is more than ample.
A laptop, for me, is a computer. I use it for computing. If I want BluRay for the main flatscreen telly, I'll buy a BluRay player or similar. For the laptop, DVD is great.
I assume that the other poster means paying traffic fees for a 1.5+ GB file makes it a lot less cost-effective.
You're absolutely right that the uptake isn't as fast as DVD. I do have a theory that a lot of this is down to the fact that all the while a person has a working DVD player then a Blu Ray seems superfluous. We only got a Blu Ray player as a result of our old Toshiba DVD player dying, but now that we have one, when we buy new films they're on Blu-Ray, not DVD. I think it all depends how fast internet bandwidth grows: I don't have the information to make a positive statement, but if all optical films were dropped in favour of online films, the web would likely grind to a halt. I also think that the financial investment involved in providing faster broadband worldwide means that the infrastructure required to support abandoning optical media isn't going to be here any time soon.
you got it Nermal. we pay $100Aus a month for 25GB, and we use that up in our household with MINIMAL downloads of movies. we dont watch TV with it or anything. if i were to add multiple BD "free" copies onto that, we would be capped within the first week of downloading back to 64kb!
Honestly I don't think I'd use it much at all. I rarely burn disks, I buy most of my movies over the internet and I have external hard drives to hold any big files or backups. Sure it'd be nice to know it's there, but I wouldn't pay extra for it.
Why? Because you have a stockpile of worthless HD-DVD's?
I owned both formats - but unloaded my HD-DVD's quickly when things began sliding in blu-ray's favor.
I would at least like the option of blu-ray on a macbook pro. The addition of a true hdmi port would make it even better - with the ability to use the computer as a full-fledged blu-ray player that is portable.
Interesting; I bought more since they became ridiculously cheap (as low as $1 each). I have about 60 HD DVDs now, and only about 20 Blu-rays.
I hope you honestly do not believe there could not be a protocol written make this work. It would in fact be fairly easy as the protocol would simply need a priority, which would be set to the lowest possible to not have packet constantly dropped of higher priority protocols. I am sure there would be much more to it than that, but it would be fairly easily to create, and you are right that research would have to be done to make sure there is even enough bandwidth/infrastructure to facilitate such a market.
haha ok if you think so!
that will work IFF they completely re-wrote the internet. and even if they could do it, the movies would take about 5 days to download as the rest of the internets data would be priority. the start of the movie wouldnt even make it to the exchange!
i donno where you come from, but the amount of free bandwidth on the internet is currently not very high! adding MILLIONS of MB/s to that would result in a global stop.
What a flawed comparison. What resolutions were both images ripped at? And they're both downscaled so the HD version is bound to look better when it's squished like that. I don't care about the quality increase. Wow! Look how defined his face is! HOW EXCITING.
I don't know who you're trying to convince here, me or yourself. Buy all the HD films you want, mate. I'll keep buying my DVDs
I'll go for Blu-Ray if and when it becomes the standard. Not a second before. Throw all the pointless arguments you want.
How many movies do you think a family would download per week?
And how much is you connection at your home idle?
And would a week be too long to wait for a movie?
I know using torrents I could easily download over 25 GB in a day easily. 350 MB 1 Hour HDTV re-encodes download in 10 minutes or so. This is when downloading at about 1MB/sec (which makes sense, considering the algorithms used to increase speeds). This is on a fiber optic connection at 20Mb download and 5 Mb upload, but I have had cable in the past which could obtain similar speeds (just not as fast upload).
I would suspect the average family would download between 2 and 3 movies per month worst average case. I would guess that a home internet connection is idle 80% of the time worst case.
I am guessing but I would think somewhere around 5 homes share bandwidth.
Using my guessimates, I would think there could be a solution. Furthermore IPv6 has a priority flag; whether or not it is being used is irrelevant, it is there to be used for future use.
As an example though think about the already existing infrastructure of PPV On Demand HD Movies on Cable TV and Fios. I realize that Blu Ray movies are significantly larger, but not that much in reality, and these PPV On Demand HD Movies are transported using the same infrastructure.
I could see Blu Ray's higher bit rate being an issue for streaming, but thats why better compression algorithms are being developed, and high speed internet connections continue to expand. And this is not about streaming, only downloading.
The internet would certainly not have to be written though.
thats a good question. here in australia, not many - because of our bandwidth limits. in the US i reckon it would be heaps! i hear that you guys can watch TV over your internet (hulu etc?)
idle most of the time apart from when im at work (VNC into my home computer) or torrenting/downloading/gaming.
YES. i would go pay $3 and hire a movie from the video shop if its going to take >1day to download.
25GB is my monthly limit! if we go over that, we get capped back to dialup!
i do have adsl2+ though so i can get some nice-ish download speedsi think your probably spot on there with the estimate. 3-5 per household seems about right. you seem to be forgetting when those movies would getting downloaded. it would probably be night time, or around the evening on weekends/friday nights. the current bandwidth of the servers/exchanges wouldnt be able to cope with that. at peak hour, i wouldnt want to be attempting to stream/download a movie with 2MB/s bitrates!
cable is a pathetic concept. i would not want to share my connection speed with others!
well we dont currently know. with ip4v only udp/tcp packets make a difference really.
i have had many a conversation with some pretty knowledgable people on this very matter. take the UK for example, their current exchanges in many locations (central hubs, not just local exchanges) are fully loaded. and they are still trying to implement faster internet. they havent even bothered upgrading the central hubs yet.
here in australia its pretty bad around peak hour, most web pages will time out for myself and my friends in my particular area (using different exchanges!).
summing up, the world is not ready for downloads that are sumultaneous across the globe. if there were 10,000 people here in australia trying to download a movie from the US, that would add roughly 100,000MB/s to the continental fibre lines! (roughly, assuming they can hit 1MB/s each). we can only get ~1.7TB/s on that line!
thats a good question. here in australia, not many - because of our bandwidth limits. in the US i reckon it would be heaps! i hear that you guys can watch TV over your internet (hulu etc?)
idle most of the time apart from when im at work (VNC into my home computer) or torrenting/downloading/gaming.
YES. i would go pay $3 and hire a movie from the video shop if its going to take >1day to download.
25GB is my monthly limit! if we go over that, we get capped back to dialup!
i think your probably spot on there with the estimate. 3-5 per household seems about right. you seem to be forgetting when those movies would getting downloaded. it would probably be night time, or around the evening on weekends/friday nights. the current bandwidth of the servers/exchanges wouldnt be able to cope with that. at peak hour, i wouldnt want to be attempting to stream/download a movie with 2MB/s bitrates!
cable is a pathetic concept. i would not want to share my connection speed with others!
well we dont currently know. with ip4v only udp/tcp packets make a difference really.
i have had many a conversation with some pretty knowledgable people on this very matter. take the UK for example, their current exchanges in many locations (central hubs, not just local exchanges) are fully loaded. and they are still trying to implement faster internet. they havent even bothered upgrading the central hubs yet.
here in australia its pretty bad around peak hour, most web pages will time out for myself and my friends in my particular area (using different exchanges!).
summing up, the world is not ready for downloads that are sumultaneous across the globe. if there were 10,000 people here in australia trying to download a movie from the US, that would add roughly 100,000MB/s to the continental fibre lines! (roughly, assuming they can hit 1MB/s each). we can only get ~1.7TB/s on that line!
Worldwide??!?!? I will wholeheartedly agree with you.
One point though, if the user is willing to wait a week, this should be able to be accomplished. As there is no minimum throughput required to start downloading the movie, other than the limited amount of time you want to wait for the movie. Which means about a minimum average of 500 bits/sec to download a Blu Ray 25 GB movie in one week.
Also I had assumed that the model we are discussing is buying not renting. I doubt a family would buy 3 - 5 movies in one week (but renting, sure) and would rather only buy a maximum of 2 to 3 on any given week. So renting would be another potential problem, not only their bandwidth but limited usage rights.
If macs had blu-ray, I could go back to watching my movies on my mac. Well, if I had a new mac, which I won't get because I prefer Windows 7, however, if macs had blu-ray, and I had a new mac that supported it, I could then watch my newer movies on my mac, something which is physically impossible right now, no matter how much money I give Apple.
Personally it p#sses me off to no end that, with more than half my movie collection converted to Blu-ray over the past few years, that when I'm doing invoicing/etc on my Mac I can no longer play a movie in the background nor can I play them when travelling. My primary viewing is my home cinema, but I do occasionally like to play discs on my iMac. Lack of Blu-ray excludes half my collection, and then region coding prevents a good percentage of the remaining DVDs (in Australia consumers are granted the right by law to import for personal use, so Apple infringes upon this by preventing playback - all other DVD players specifically will play any region).
VHS to DVD was double the resolution - but visually appeared a big step because, frankly, VHS was so low in resolution and quality it was appalling by comparison.
DVD to Blu-ray is eight times the resolution - it's a huge step up. I find watching a DVD now as horrible as trying to watch a VHS in the old DVD days.
WTF?!?!?
VHS to DVD was double the resolution - but visually appeared a big step because, frankly, VHS was so low in resolution and quality it was appalling by comparison.
DVD to Blu-ray is eight times the resolution - it's a huge step up. I find watching a DVD now as horrible as trying to watch a VHS in the old DVD days.
Oh and, presuming DVD Studio Pro where then updated to master Blu-rays, I'd then finally be able to make Blu-rays of my HD videos I made with Final Cut Studio.
Has been annoying to spend so much time and expense making HD videos, since the "year of HD" according to Steve Jobs, yet I can't actually master and burn the darned things.
Has been annoying to spend so much time and expense making HD videos, since the "year of HD" according to Steve Jobs, yet I can't actually master and burn the darned things.
i know that aust and nz arent. for numerous reasons!
thats a fair point! if they can wait that long then bandwidth wont come into it.
good pointit would be intersting to see what people would want to do, rest or buy. personally im a buyer but thats just me. im sure that there would be loads of people that like to rent
um, no. actually i don't own any hd-dvds or an xbox, but i would've supported hd-dvd if Toshiba had won the format war.
unfortunately, they didn't... so we are stuck with Nazi-ass Sony and their multi-layered DRM-having Blu-ray discs until next-gen media storage technology makes them obsolete (which will be soon).
my home is a pirate-friendly environment, thanks.
im sorry for nit-picking, but i have to correct somebody when they are wrong. you can get the BDs onto your (any) mac by ripping to your machine! then you can convert to whatever you want.
WTF?!?!?
hmm i fear that you have used the wrong specs of the technology to convert.
indeed, the pixel density of BD vs DVD is 8x. but that doesnt mean that the picture is 8x "better". i would compare bitrates. 5mb/s of DVD vs 40mb/s of BD. (8x in this case ironically).
oh yes ditto that! it doesnt make sense that we can create the 1080p (or higher) movies, but not burn them! lol
i do prefer digital content though tbh.
so let me get this straight. you would support the inferior format? are you a windows user?
or even a linux man haha! sony is an apple of the gaming/media industry, ill admit it. but the quality is much nicer then HD-DVD!
as is mine
each tuesday i hire BD movies from the video store ($3 overnight). put them into my ps3, boot up linux, and copy them to my imac. done.
Congratulations, your poll consists of geeks who know a graphics card from a toaster. Try to use a bit more common sense when interpreting polls on a tech site as if they somehow represent the will of your average consumer.