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I've been using a Thinkpad for years and besides the OS, prefer it to the Mac lineup based on personal experience. Macbooks and powerbooks are nice machines, don't get me wrong, but I like the no nonsense little workhorse that I've been using. Thinkpads aren't sexy, but they have their own aesthetic charm and they feel good in your hands.
 
my sister has a sony viao.

Probarly one of the best screens ive seen, wide with good colour and very bright. The computer itself looks ok, but windows seems quiet bad in crashing a bit too often.

To be honest I would not be able to go back to windows, to many bad memories, that and it would have to be xp. Dont know enough about linux though have tried a free version a short while.
 
I've had a Sony Vaio for the last 4 years and I can recommend them. If I didn't want to switch to OSX properly (I used to run OSX x86 on my Vaio), then I'd probably get another one.

They are certainly expensive, but the screens are amazing (I still love mine) and the built in sound isn't too bad for a laptop either.

I tried installing Ubuntu, but I was having way too many problems with random freeze-ups, so I gave up. Beryl rocked though. :D

Maybe Linux support would be better for the newer Vaios? Try and get one with an nVidia card, as afaik the driver support is much better for nVidia cards on Linux.
 
Have you thought of a Dell?

I know everyone hates Dell but recently I went to an international conference and although I could see rows and rows of people with old school 12" Powerbooks and a few 15" MBPs the second option always seemed to be the new 13.3" Dell M1330 (with the white strips either side of the lid) I must have seen around 50 of them.

One the Dell website they seem quite nicely built with a touch of Apple design ethos.

More expensive than a MBP here in the UK though...
 
After reading this board over the last months, I actually was thinking of getting a pc desktop besides my powerbook. I slowly truly believed that windows isn't as bad as I remebered. That was until I used a pc over the last 2 weeks at work (I'm a freelance graphic designer and work 15-20 hours a week doing photoshop and illustrator stuff at a local company). I normally bring my powerbook with me, but a co-worker was on holiday and I was sitting at his desk. Remember this is a company pc which is looked after by an admin.

Ok, first, this thing is slow, very slow, it's a 3 ghz pentium 4 with 1 gig of ram running xp, and as far as I know shouldn't be any slower than my 1,67 ghz G4. But it is almost impossible to run illustrator and photoshop at the same time, I have to quit outlook and adobe reader before I even try it. On my pb I can run the complete creative suite + safari, ical, mail, itunes at the same time without any speed decrease.

Second, once you are used to expose & spotlight, file management without them is a pain. The search function in xp is painfully slow, at least on this machine.

Third, xp (and the screenshots I've seen of vista) look like it was designed by a colorblind designer. Blue - green - yellow, it could as well be a fisher price toy and it is really distracting when you are correcting colors in photoshop. Yes, I have switched to the "classic" look, at least this comes in neutral grey, but operating an os that looks like it's still 1995 is no fun either.

Fourth, apart from the color issue mentioned above, in photoshop, where every pixel of screen size is important, why must I have a top AND a bottom menu bar? The top bar in Os X that turns into the photoshop menu bar is a much more elegant and space saving solution.

Fifth, why can't I see how much hard drive space there is left on a volume when I have a window of it opened? This is some pretty basic information... why do I have to click something to get it? This seems so simple to do, is this something only I haven't figured out?

Please note that this is just my personal experience, as a long time mac user who has used windows for 2 weeks. I don't mean to start the same old discussion over and over again, I just wanted to share my story with the op, so that he or she knows what maybe is waiting out there in windows land.

Of course it's your decision, and whatever you pick I hope you'll be happy with it.

Personally, after this experience, I'll never think of getting a windows computer ever again, or at least until the next version after vista comes out in 5 years.^^
 
I've been using a Thinkpad for years and besides the OS, prefer it to the Mac lineup based on personal experience. Macbooks and powerbooks are nice machines, don't get me wrong, but I like the no nonsense little workhorse that I've been using. Thinkpads aren't sexy, but they have their own aesthetic charm and they feel good in your hands.

another vote for Thinkpad. I almost bought a Thinkpad for law school instead of my PB.
 
Hmm, I used to like the Sony Vaios for style and decent build quality but not sure what they're like these days. There's no way in the world I'd go back to using a Windows pc laptop now though. Suppose you could run Linux or whatever on it, but I personally wouldn't switch away from the Mac OS, despite all the issues with MacBook Pros.

I have to recommend against Sony Vaio. I just moved from a Sony Vaio VGN-SZ110 to my MBP. My take on Sony: they look good from about 6 feet away, but when you get close, you realize how cheaply made they are, especially the plastic case around the top-half of the laptop. Add in driver issues (even in XP!) with using some of the integrated components, it was just not worth the premium price that I paid for it.

If you go PC, look at the Toshiba's and HP's. Unless you are gaming, get one cheap, expand the memory to 2GB (because it will come with Vista), and wipe it clean and re-install before using (to get rid of the crappy software that all these machines come with these days.) Make sure you make your recovery disks before deleting everything!
 

I dunno how to do it, and it's also against the EULA, so it's not something to discuss here.

Because of the above, I don't think I'd ever do it. However, I do think that Apple could really do with the competition on the hardware side, because although their OS is great, their hardware and the service on it are pretty ropey, and if it was possible to run it on non-Apple hardware, I think they'd have to make a bit more effort on that front.

I'm not saying that I wouldn't still use Apple hardware for whatever reason, but I think having the option to use something else is good for getting good service.
 
I think I'd prefer a thick rope and a stout beam to a PC notebook ....

That being said, I guess a Toughbook would be my second choice ... I have kids and they tend to destroy things.
 
Well I was personally planning on buying one of the top of the line Dell XPS laptops until vista came out - then I decided I was better off switching to OSX. Couldn't be happier now :p

I think you're either very unlucky with your 4 MBPs that you've had to return or you're specifically looking for a reason to not keep it. You do realize when buying an IBM, Dell, or what have you, you aren't protected from getting a "dodgy" or "misaligned" return key. This problem (along with the others you had) could occur with any vendor.

I've personally bought both a Macbook and Macbook Pro in the past 4 months, and both are perfect.
 
STOP!

As you know, I too have had many issues with my MBP purchases and had to return 3 of them... but this evening I picked up my 4th and all is looking good so far.

So don't give up, it seems there *are* some good apples out there :)

Mods, please close this thread before we lose someone to the dark side :D
 
Just don't buy a Dell. I have one and it's a horrible piece of ****.

Or just go to a real Apple Store and get a MBP. But ask to see it before you buy it, so you don't go hope to open it up to a bunch of problems. If the one they bring out is ****ed, then have them get a different one.
 
Whatever you buy, don't get a Thinkpad, they are pretty unreliable since Lenovo makes them. Last year they bought 2 at the office and both had serious problems.

but the OP has had 4 MBP's with 4 problems. is apple unreliable?

lenovo and apple are the two highest rated computer companies in terms of customer service. and i've heard nothing but amazing things about the newer lenovos.

i'd personally only buy an alienware notebook. they run it through something like a 217 point check list and individually spec your machine. they have good service. i regretted not buying one back in the day. but not getting an alienware put me down another road that led to apple.

(don't worry that dell owns alienware. they left them completely to themselves).
 
but the OP has had 4 MBP's with 4 problems. is apple unreliable?...

Good point! Of course I'm biased against thinkpads, just like the op now is biased against mbps. But 99% of the people in this thread recommend thinkpads. Just like 99% of the people using mbps have perfectly flawless units. This just shows that you can get a lemon with any company.

The chances that a new pc has issues are about the same as the 5th mbp to have issues.

/joke Of course you won't notice a misaligned key on a pc, because it's butt ugly anyway! :D
 
although other brands have some quality control problems, it seems as if apple computers have the most of this. or maybe that's just because I spend too much time on this forum :)
 
although other brands have some quality control problems, it seems as if apple computers have the most of this. or maybe that's just because I spend too much time on this forum :)

Most of the existing data is before the Intel switch (i.e. PPC), but it almost invariably places Apple at the top of the pack in terms of quality, reliability, etc, measures. IBM/Thinkpad (at the time) is the other brand that does consistently that well.
 
I heard good things about IBMs Thinkpads and ASUS laptops. That said, I only know about one or two owners of each. Most people arround me had Dell machines (about 15-20 people). Here I observed a very clear pattern: While the Latitude machines were very reliable and had very few problems, all of the Inspiron laptops suffered from mayor problems, which had to be fixed by logic board replacements and such things.
 
i'm in the process of buying a lenovo notebook for work
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our it people and about 30 users in our company heavily recommend those. they are very robust, have all the features. they look hideous but it's about funtionality and reliability. we had no problems yet. i'm thinking about a santa rosa R61 thinkpad 14 inch or a santa rose 3000 v200 12.1 inch.

i wish apple made santa rosa macbooks. and i wish they made a new form factor for the mbp's that is more about reliability and robustness than design.

You know the updated MacBook Pros have SR yeah?
Just saying in case you didn't.

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Find out what laptops run Linux best. Linux
doesn't take much to run, so you could even get an older,
even used, computer. Ubuntu is a pretty good
beginner distribution.

Just don't run Windows, for the love of all that is holy!
 
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