It would be better. the TDP of the i7-um series is 17w + 3.4 for the chipset. (+discrete graphics) 21.4 + graphics as needed.
The current setup is 17w for proc +12 watts for the graphics is 29watts of heat.
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If Panasonic can build this, the next macbook air better be freaking amazing.
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It would be better. the TDP of the i7-um series is 17w + 3.4 for the chipset. (+discrete graphics) 21.4 + graphics as needed.
The current setup is 17w for proc +12 watts for the graphics is 29watts of heat.
Again, I have to say... it's not an apples to apples comparison for gigahertz... I don't know why this is a hard concept. a 2.0ghz atom processor is much slower than a 1.3ghz C2D. These are different platforms. Having never used a i7 ULV, I can't say anything for certain though. Anyone who has used a i7-640um please speak up about your experiences with speed.
Also turboboost has no relation to battery. This is odd disinformation from those who have never used an i5 or i7 processor. All that turbo boost means is that while the TDP of the processor is under the maxium thermal envelope. Ie you're only using 1 core, or not using the integrated graphics, the cpu will overclock itself up to 2.26ghz while the thermal characteristics allow. If your try running a 3d game on the integrated graphics, the cpu will clock down (based on power and heat consumption)
I'm going to hazard a guess that most of the time you'll be running much faster than 1.2ghz. since from my own experience with an i5, I'm rarely loading 1 core, let alone 2. and when I load the 1 core, the processor overclocks.
This, along with a different processing core is why the arrandale is much much faster per clock and overall vs core 2 duo.
I could only find a few japanese benchmarks for the i7-620um and i7-640um. The 640um seems about 5% faster in benchmarks. CPU scores on PC mark 05 were 4520 and ~4750 respectively. This is actually benchmarked with the lower end 1.06 ghz i7-620um in a panasonic r9 as listed.
Benchmarks in Japanese
This is compared to 2629 on the original macbook air rev A 1.6 ghz... and 3706 for the rev C 2.13 ghz...
Macbook air rev C benchmarks
If you look at the specs, it has no SSD so the overall system score is the same on both systems due to the massively increased ssd score on the macbook air. The intel integrated graphics are slower 1777 vs 1980 with the nvidia chipset.
But my previous statement stands. As a cpu... the i7-620um and i7-640um are out of the current macbook air's league. The 1.06ghz 620um is 22% faster than the fastest current macbook air. the 1.2 ghz 640um is 28% faster.
Strap on a geforce optimus solution and you have an uber macbook air...
Oddly it seems faster than the 13 inch macbook pros too.
infact I saw the Asus UL30Jt It's a 13.3inch laptop with an i7-620/640UM + Geforce 310m w/ a 12 hour battery life. These should be the min specs for the next macbook air.
So before all the naysayers jump to conclusions, these are real numbers. Please use such before you would dismiss having an ulv in the next macbook air.
DON'T EVER BELIEVE INTEL'S MARKETING. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FACTUAL SCIENTIFIC RESULTS VERIFIED VIA AN INDEPENDENT PARTY. WHERE MOST PEOPLE GO WRONG IS BELIEVING THAT PERFORMANCE ON WINDOWS OS, AS TESTED, WILL RESULT IN SIMILAR OS X RESULTS. OS X IS TERRIBLE AT VIDEO PLAYBACK AND FLASH, SO IT'S NOT THE SAME!
I CANNOT BELIEVE PEOPLE BELIEVE THIS INTEL MARKETING CRAP!
This panasonic looks like something out of the ugly models of the late 90s.... Sack these designers already...
Wow, I wasn't prepared for that! It looks like something from eight years ago. My brother is an architect and he used Tough Books. They are good on construction sites, where there is vibration and heavy dust.
No other computer will withstand that amount of wear. Apple hasn't got anything that is suitable for that environment. I would bet that the Air would not survive the first day. They are lovely computers, though, save the hinges and the constant noises/fan.
No other computer will withstand that amount of wear. Apple hasn't got anything that is suitable for that environment. I would bet that the Air would not survive the first day. They are lovely computers, though, save the hinges and the constant noises/fan.
Actually, I don't mind the utilitarian design. At least not another piece of coloured candy. They have their own niche as the Thinkpads used to be.
And, here in Japan, this design line has been selling well for years and still does.
I just wish the metal look wouldn't be painted plastic.
1.67 inches <- thick
Why do people compare these things to the MacBook Air when they are twice as thick? Obviously with increased vertical space inside heat is not as much an issue and you can use higher performing parts though in this case it doesn't seem especially powerful.
I still feel like the nerve of this poster to create a new thread for this. There are 100 alternatives on the market that are much closer competition to the MBA and display the future component makeup of the MBA better than this netbook. Clearly the OP wasn't thinking. In addition, I want no part of this in my MBA, and I would call the new MBA a complete failure if it was comprised of those components and especially in a 2" thick case, LMAO.
That's because the OP knows enough about computers and design to realize that it's not the component thickness that's makes this particular laptop 1.6 inches. It's built to be tough. There's nothing in this build that makes it not able to fit into a macbook air. DDR3 memory is DDR3 memory, and intel CPU is an intel CPU. This thing is thick, but small and lightweight. If you spread it's components out over a large surface area, ie 13.3 inches it would be alot thinner.
This OP thinks probably a heck of alot more than you ever do. If you have something to contribute that involves actual thinking and not thread crapping, then please say it. I have stated many times, I want the hardware specs in a macbook air. But you fixate on, hey look how thick it is. This should probably be a statement about your comments instead actually.
WOW I CANNOT FIND MY CAPS LOCK KEY EITHER!
I'm not sure why actual benchmarks to compare the relative performance of 2 processors, not done by intel would not qualify as scientific results, while, you TYPING IN ALL CAPS COUNTS AS SCIENTIFIC FACT, Cpu benchmarks are not flash based. If you run the same benchmark in the same operating system it gives you probably the most comparable results, as I was trying to illustrate that the ULV series would actually do well in an macbook air. but it seems like for your sake, that It would take steve jobs saying the same thing but adding the world "magical" a few times to make it sink in.
Enjoy your ignorance. Also if Threadcrapping like this with no actual info and being a troll is what brings you joy to what must be a miserable existance, who am I to take that away from you
I realize that there's no active thought going on here, so I'll leave it at that, Please continue, but I won't bother to read any more of your replies, so you don't have to waste your time.
A ROUND trackpad? Seriously?
That Turbo Boost is for 1 core only. (Your subsequent point stands though.)
Simple. People choose what they want to believe, rather than taking an objective look at the situation and deciding from there.
I am not looking to make an aggravated situation worse. There is no reason to go and delete your post, call people names, and get all pissy. You have told me I don't think as well as you, called me ignorant, called me a troll (when you posted a netbook as comparison to MBA in the MBA section at "MAC" Rumors), and told me I don't actively think like you. That is actually reason enough to get you kicked out of these forums, so why don't you go delete those before you actually get yourself a bad mark on these forums.
When it comes to getting pissed off about people not seeing the vision or agreeing with you in your post, YOU POSTED A PC (and not a very good one) IN AN MBA FORUM. What kind of response did you expect?
Honestly, there is a thread already where people discuss the current competitors to the MBA, and it has some excellent ultraportables that actually have similar specs to the MBA. People include the ultraportables they think best compete with the MBA. You could have posted there without making a new thread, but even then people would ask why a netbook with that appearance and those specs? MBA fans don't like their MBA being referred to as a netbook.
With regards to Intel - I just believe a lot of people like accepting Intel's marketing as "truthful" or factual when it's nothing of any sort (especially on OS X). In addition, Windows has much better video playback apps and if Adobe had Mac API access to create Flash the right way, it would be excellent. It has offered Apple the same performance on the Mac as Flash has on Windows, but that would threaten the iTunes and App Stores so Apple doesn't let Adobe have access to the APIs necessary. My point is that the Intel CPUs are absolutely optimized for the Windows platform, and they're marketed as such. A 1.3 GHz Intel CPU and even IGP will perform very well for HD video playback and Flash content, while the 1.6 and 1.8 GHz original MBA struggled terribly with its Intel 3100 GMA. Different specs make huge differences in the Mac OS X environment.
With regard to the Panasonic Netbook, as the basis for this thread, it isn't anything like the MBA. In addition, it doesn't have the components that most people want to see in the MBA. It's not even powerful as you stated. In my opinion, it's not anything like a Mac, and I definitely don't want the MBA to have its components. This is all difference of opinion, but a lot of people are acting like you're a troll for placing this in a Mac forum focused on the MBA in the first place.
I really believe you saw the Core i7 and got happy about the Panasonic including it in a netbook. Therefore hoping if a netbook had a Core i7 perhaps an MBA would have a high-end CPU. The Core i7 is a high-end chip, but the Panasonic Netbook doesn't have any other high-end features. And the Core i7 ultra low voltage chips aren't going to be much of an upgrade over the Core 2 Duo. In addition, the come with mandatory Intel GMA IGP which is a huge performance hit over the Nvidia GPU.
If you want to talk about how great a PC is, why not go find a PC, Windows, or Netbook forum to post it in? Right now, people just think you're being a troll.
When it comes to getting pissed off about people not seeing the vision or agreeing with you in your post, YOU POSTED A PC (and not a very good one) IN AN MBA FORUM. What kind of response did you expect?
Honestly, there is a thread already where people discuss the current competitors to the MBA, and it has some excellent ultraportables that actually have similar specs to the MBA. People include the ultraportables they think best compete with the MBA. You could have posted there without making a new thread, but even then people would ask why a netbook with that appearance and those specs? MBA fans don't like their MBA being referred to as a netbook.
With regards to Intel - I just believe a lot of people like accepting Intel's marketing as "truthful" or factual when it's nothing of any sort (especially on OS X). In addition, Windows has much better video playback apps and if Adobe had Mac API access to create Flash the right way, it would be excellent. It has offered Apple the same performance on the Mac as Flash has on Windows, but that would threaten the iTunes and App Stores so Apple doesn't let Adobe have access to the APIs necessary. My point is that the Intel CPUs are absolutely optimized for the Windows platform, and they're marketed as such. A 1.3 GHz Intel CPU and even IGP will perform very well for HD video playback and Flash content, while the 1.6 and 1.8 GHz original MBA struggled terribly with its Intel 3100 GMA. Different specs make huge differences in the Mac OS X environment.
With regard to the Panasonic Netbook, as the basis for this thread, it isn't anything like the MBA. In addition, it doesn't have the components that most people want to see in the MBA. It's not even powerful as you stated. In my opinion, it's not anything like a Mac, and I definitely don't want the MBA to have its components. This is all difference of opinion, but a lot of people are acting like you're a troll for placing this in a Mac forum focused on the MBA in the first place.
I really believe you saw the Core i7 and got happy about the Panasonic including it in a netbook. Therefore hoping if a netbook had a Core i7 perhaps an MBA would have a high-end CPU. The Core i7 is a high-end chip, but the Panasonic Netbook doesn't have any other high-end features. And the Core i7 ultra low voltage chips aren't going to be much of an upgrade over the Core 2 Duo. In addition, the come with mandatory Intel GMA IGP which is a huge performance hit over the Nvidia GPU.
If you want to talk about how great a PC is, why not go find a PC, Windows, or Netbook forum to post it in? Right now, people just think you're being a troll.
The Air is renowned for lots of fan noise and new chips might lessen that annoyance, I think that may have been in part the reason for this thread. So here's something to think about. More power but less heat-
"The researchers created grooves that were nearly an inch long and 100 microns (about one 250th of an inch) apart. The grooves are not smooth: by carefully controlling the laser, the researchers were able to create nanoscale cavities and protrusions. These improve the wetting properties of the material and raise the possibility of moving lots of water or other coolant along them.
“Liquid goes across the surface so efficiently,” Dr. Guo said. “I think it would be an extremely efficient way of taking all the heat away.”
The fine structures also have the property of trapping photons, he said, so the grooved silicon appears pitch-black. That might also be useful for making cooler chips, because dark surfaces radiate heat better than lighter ones do."
~ http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/16/science/16obcool.html?ref=science
"The researchers created grooves that were nearly an inch long and 100 microns (about one 250th of an inch) apart. The grooves are not smooth: by carefully controlling the laser, the researchers were able to create nanoscale cavities and protrusions. These improve the wetting properties of the material and raise the possibility of moving lots of water or other coolant along them.
“Liquid goes across the surface so efficiently,” Dr. Guo said. “I think it would be an extremely efficient way of taking all the heat away.”
The fine structures also have the property of trapping photons, he said, so the grooved silicon appears pitch-black. That might also be useful for making cooler chips, because dark surfaces radiate heat better than lighter ones do."
~ http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/16/science/16obcool.html?ref=science
I believe the OP was referring to the Panasonic R9, which can be found at the Dynamism site.
http://www.dynamism.com/notebooks/panasonic_r.shtml
http://www.dynamism.com/notebooks/panasonic_r.shtml
Surely that isn't USD $$$ is it??? WOW, $2400 for that piece of dog crap? No, I must be missing a link to USD pricing???
Agreed, but what I really want to know is if it actually costs $2400 USD??? That was SHOCKING. Before I figured it was a piece of crap netbook with a nice CPU and probably would raise the price to $600... but $2400? Surely I am missing something big, like a 512 GB SSD, 8 GB RAM, 5870 ATI graphics, and an OLED display! Even then, at 1.66 inches thick, it's so far from revolutionary and absolutely hideous in appearance, that it isn't going to sell nor impress any other computer manufacturer. It is PANASONIC, that should tell us something. We're not looking at a Sony, Asus, Lenovo, or even Dell... it's a Panasonic and a POS.
The prices on the dynamism site generally reflect purchasing machines in Japan and importing them to the US and possibly some kind of deal to help with warranty service, etc. It is a boutique site for people who want laptops sold in the Japanese home market. I would imagine that if Panasonic were to sell a similar unit through the toughbook.com site, it would be cheaper. I just used dynamism site since I knew it would have the R series along with specs, etc.
It does appear that there is about a 25% hike in the pricing for other models that store sells. That still puts it at around $2k. OUCH! If going to spend that kind of money, a Sony Vaio Z does the job infinitely better, no that is insanely grandly for $1899.
How many idiotic Panasonic R9 buyers does it take to compare it to a Sony Vaio Z... and choose the Z? It really disgusts me that we're discussing this worthless piece of crap in the MBA section of MR. It's like there should be a rule against defiling the MBA in this manner... please tell me Apple that what you have in store for the MBA update is NOTHING like the R9!!!
How rude this board has become!
Scottsdale... I think you need some time off from the boards. While you have contributed to the MBA board greatly I don't think your replies to the OP is appropriate.
The R9 is an expensive and a very specialised laptop, people who purchase it are not idiots, much like you purchasing a MBA was an informed choice they have made a choice that this laptop is appropriate. Looks aside this is a tiny laptop (10 inch screen) that weighs about 900grams with a battery life of up to 7.5 hours. The specs it has are pretty amazing Core-i7 and 2 memory slots (potentially up to 8gb of ram). If Apple were able to offer then same kind of specs in the same package as the current MBA (this is what the OP probably meant) it would make the MBA a very attractive purchase.
Now take some time and chill.
OP: I feel sorry for how you were treated on this board, normally people are more civilised than this.
Scottsdale... I think you need some time off from the boards. While you have contributed to the MBA board greatly I don't think your replies to the OP is appropriate.
The R9 is an expensive and a very specialised laptop, people who purchase it are not idiots, much like you purchasing a MBA was an informed choice they have made a choice that this laptop is appropriate. Looks aside this is a tiny laptop (10 inch screen) that weighs about 900grams with a battery life of up to 7.5 hours. The specs it has are pretty amazing Core-i7 and 2 memory slots (potentially up to 8gb of ram). If Apple were able to offer then same kind of specs in the same package as the current MBA (this is what the OP probably meant) it would make the MBA a very attractive purchase.
Now take some time and chill.
OP: I feel sorry for how you were treated on this board, normally people are more civilised than this.