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Nacho98

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Would you still wait until next year to see what happens with the 15" anyway? Let's assume the 16" comes out in the next few days at $3k and that's your 15" budget anyway.

We know from leaks that we are getting a form factor that looks virtually the same, with a physical escape button and a scissor keyboard.

But what's out to lunch yet is whether or not this is the true next generation MBP, or if it's some sort of refinement of the current 2016-2019 generation or hybrid stop-gap before a true redesign in 2020 of the 15" (and 13") models.

So if the 16" comes out and seems more or less like an incremental refinement as opposed to a full tilt redesign, would you grab the 16" now, or would you wait until the 2020 15" comes out to see if it's similar to the 16" or ends up being a full tilt redesign, even further changing from the 16"?
 

Ploki

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I doubt they will redesign 16" in 2020 again if they release it now.

it just makes no sense to run it for half a year. It will probably have a different upgrade cycle than 13/15, kinda like Air/ MB12" did. So a separate product line?
MacBook Pro Pro. :D
 
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baypharm

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I would purchase the 16” now. Of course there will be refinements a year from now. I’ve been waiting for a large screen laptop replacement since the 17” was discontinued.
 
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hugo525

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The current design is mostly fine except for the keyboard and missing escape key. I wouldn't mind purchasing the 16" once it comes out.
 
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Lobwedgephil

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I think the 16 will be the "redesign". Don't expect much different, slimmer bezels, better keyboard. Then next year a 14 similar to the 16, and it trickles down the line. The 13 and 15 will fade away. But hard to know for sure until we see the 16.
 
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Ploki

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I think the 16 will be the "redesign". Don't expect much different, slimmer bezels, better keyboard. Then next year a 14 similar to the 16, and it trickles down the line. The 13 and 15 will fade away. But hard to know for sure until we see the 16.

Right now the 13" and Air are so similar in size and weight it just doesn't make sense to keep both, so your prediction makes sense.
I don't know how 13" Airs are selling, but maybe revived ultraportable 12", "afforadble" 999$ Air in place of 13" (like it used to be a few years ago), and 14+16 Pros actually makes a lot of sense.

But i guess they're trying to replace 12" with the iPads recently with more and more OS convergence.

I'd like their product lineup be a little more coherent, imo it's a mess right now.
 

maflynn

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I'm not about to buy any 3,000 dollar laptop, and this was the reason why I opted for a ThinkPad.
 

leman

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Would you still wait until next year to see what happens with the 15" anyway? Let's assume the 16" comes out in the next few days at $3k and that's your 15" budget anyway.

If the 16" is virtually identical form-wise to the 15" and costs $3k, then there is not much point in the $3k 15", is there?

My own opinion is what others have already mentioned — I think the 16" is nothing else than the 15" redesign.
 

Ploki

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If the 16" is virtually identical form-wise to the 15" and costs $3k, then there is not much point in the $3k 15", is there?

My own opinion is what others have already mentioned — I think the 16" is nothing else than the 15" redesign.

Maybe they'll pull the same thing off as they did in 2012:
refresh both old and new models, one having a much better screen. (2012 retina and classic unibody)
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I'm not about to buy any 3,000 dollar laptop, and this was the reason why I opted for a ThinkPad.
not to mod the mods, but that's grossly off topic :D
 

scubachap

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So if the 16" comes out and seems more or less like an incremental refinement as opposed to a full tilt redesign, would you grab the 16" now, or would you wait until the 2020 15" comes out to see if it's similar to the 16" or ends up being a full tilt redesign, even further changing from the 16"?
I've been putting off buying the existing one for a few years now, originally it was the price versus the amount of ram and video card - those have been addressed (sort of) and now it's just the keyboard and price. (I struggle to justify a £3.5k laptop anyway, leave alone one with a known issue like that that's likely to have to go in for repair at some undefined point in the future). Despite this I was about to pull the trigger on one anyway* but now there's these seemingly credible rumours of the 16" with an amended keyboard I'm checking in here regularly as I think I'll buy as soon as they're available.

*If it wasn't for being in a Mac pipeline, having squillions of type 1 fonts and lots of 'heritage' artwork I have to dip in and out of I'd probably be 'thinking differently' like Mayflynn.
 

MrGunnyPT

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I'm holding out for the 16" over here... No point I getting a 15" with the rumours going around regarding the new one with a redesigned keyboard and possibly even featuring Navi.

Current 15" is using a POLARIS ARCH BASED GPU, that's very very old tech I ain't paying a cent for it.
 

The Mercurian

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I'll sooner spend the money on better CPU, RAM, SSD in a 15", than shell it out on the 16" just for a screen. But lets see what they produce
 

danwells

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It'll depend on two things for me - the keyboard and how much more expensive than the 15" it is for the same specs. Just like the Retina, I suspect it'll come out first at the top end (and eventually trickle down to replace the lower-end 15" as well). If it's delayed to mid-2020, all bets are off - they may replace the whole 15" line at once.

The Retina wasn't actually much more expensive than the classic Unibody once you increased the specs of the Unibody to match the Retina (notably, the Unibody came with a hard drive, and the SSD was an expensive option - the Retina always had a SSD).

If they do a staggered release, the 16" will almost certainly be 8-core only at first, and it may start with a Vega or a Navi and/or either 32 GB or a 1 TB drive as standard. If it has an improved keyboard, I'll almost certainly buy one. Any 2019 15" I would be interested in would be 8 core/ 32 GB /1 TB with a Vega anyway. I don't expect much difference in cost (a couple hundred dollars) between that and a 16" with the same configuration.

What I don't expect to see until next year (whether all at once or there is a late 2019 high-end model and models added in May) is a 16" with a 6 core CPU, 16GB/256 GB and a 555X. We may never see that ancient 555X, because there will be a low end Navi in its place.
 
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