iPhone XR If the iPhone XR is "selling poorly" then..

[ftaok]

You saw the incredible's 2 and didn't get the humor? My apologies I was not saying your math was wrong.

OK, I assumed you found a mistake in the math. I do admit that it was a little round-about, but I was posting "stream of consciousness" math.
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Market saturation is my opinion

The market that Apple competes in has been saturated for 4 years. Nothing new.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Definitely agree that they aren't as much of a status symbol.

Regarding your point about students getting the X and business folks getting the older style ... I think this makes sense. If you're buying it for yourself, you're more likely to splurge. Unless you're the business owner, there's very little use cases where your employees "need" an iPhone X. Get them an 8 and they'll be happy using a free phone.

Regarding the notion that you saw way more iPhone 6's back in the day, that also makes sense. In the first year, they probably sold way more 6/6+ than they did the X-design. That year, they sold 230,000,000 phones, where probably 70% were 6/6+. That's 161 million 6-design phones. The worldwide user base was much smaller then too, let's say 3 billion (total guess). That would lead to 5.4% of all users. Almost 3x as many as the X-design.

All our company phones were upgraded recently to iPhone 7’s and the cost saving was nothing to be sniffed at. Having said that I know a lot of people who carry two iPhones and their own isn’t usually a better phone than their company handset. There are two XR’s in my office and they are the newest I’ve seen. I bought an 8+ as my personal phone despite being someone who is perhaps more interest in tech than my colleagues.

 

[thadoggfather]

https://9to5mac.com/2018/11/28/iphone-xr-sales-joswiak/

Is it still selling poorly if it’s the best selling iPhone of the litter every day since the day it came out?

Smartphone market is saturated

 

[PeteS1963]

On the days I see them yes that’s probably about right. I suppose I find it odd because when the iPhone 6 came out in 2014 they were absolutely everywhere and it was obvious too as they were clearly bigger phones. I just don’t notice a popularity of new iPhones like I did a few years ago, but this should be expected.

One observation from myself is the few people I tend to see with X design iPhones are young student types, whereas on the business side of my daily life is usually the iPhone 7, 8 and Plus variants. They certainly feel like less of a status object than they used to be too.

There was a much bigger buzz about the iPhone 6 and they did seem to be everywhere in a relatively short space of time. In my circle of friends everyone upgraded to an iPhone 6 or iPhone 6 Plus. Now most still have iPhone 7 or 8’s, one has an X, I’m the only one with an XR and one is still using an iPhone 6. I know that such a small sample doesn’t say a lot but to me it’s as if people are getting bored with smartphones, rather than simply a cost issue.

 

[ftaok]

https://9to5mac.com/2018/11/28/iphone-xr-sales-joswiak/

Is it still selling poorly if it’s the best selling iPhone of the litter every day since the day it came out?

Smartphone market is saturated

Interesting. I guess it's not out of the question that the Xr would outsell the Xs and the Max. I wonder if the Xr is outselling the Xs/Max combined.

Still, this is good news, IMO.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

There was a much bigger buzz about the iPhone 6 and they did seem to be everywhere in a relatively short space of time. In my circle of friends everyone upgraded to an iPhone 6 or iPhone 6 Plus. Now most still have iPhone 7 or 8’s, one has an X, I’m the only one with an XR and one is still using an iPhone 6. I know that such a small sample doesn’t say a lot but to me it’s as if people are getting bored with smartphones, rather than simply a cost issue.

I think it’s a mix of both. It’s certainly rare the topic of phones pops up with my friends but lately it’s been remarks about prices. I think it’s difficult even for those not into phones to kiss the price differences. You can pick up an iPhone 8 for as little as £23 a month whereas you’re talking £60+ for an XS Max. It’s no wonder we’ve got reports here saying the 8 is selling really well right now. It does the job and suits anybody who isn’t overly into phones whilst providing a nice product that feels premium. I do agree people tend to be less interested overall.

 

[ftaok]

There was a much bigger buzz about the iPhone 6 and they did seem to be everywhere in a relatively short space of time. In my circle of friends everyone upgraded to an iPhone 6 or iPhone 6 Plus. Now most still have iPhone 7 or 8’s, one has an X, I’m the only one with an XR and one is still using an iPhone 6. I know that such a small sample doesn’t say a lot but to me it’s as if people are getting bored with smartphones, rather than simply a cost issue.

How many people are in your iPhone circle of friends. If it's 22, then 2 X-design iPhones vs. 20 old-iPhones sounds about right.

 

[baypharm]

OK, I assumed you found a mistake in the math. I do admit that it was a little round-about, but I was posting "stream of consciousness" math.
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The market that Apple competes in has been saturated for 4 years. Nothing new.

Well then you answered your own issue buddy. The market has been saturated long before 4 years ago. Maybe nothing new for you in your world but the fact is cell phones can be found on every street corner, nook and nanny there is. Market saturation.

 

[ftaok]

I think it’s a mix of both. It’s certainly rare the topic of phones pops up with my friends but lately it’s been remarks about prices. I think it’s difficult even for those not into phones to kiss the price differences. You can pick up an iPhone 8 for as little as £23 a month whereas you’re talking £60+ for an XS Max. It’s no wonder we’ve got reports here saying the 8 is selling really well right now. It does the job and suits anybody who isn’t overly into phones whilst providing a nice product that feels premium. I do agree people tend to be less interested overall.

Also remember that the iPhone 6 was the first (and apparently only) super-cycle. Apple went from 170 million iPhones to 230 million with the 6/6+.

Yeah, the prices did stay the same, so the increase in prices could be keeping enthusiasm at bay. It could also be that smartphones are so commonplace anymore that it's not that interesting of a topic.
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Well then you answered your own issue buddy. The market has been saturated long before 4 years ago. Maybe nothing new for you in your world but the fact is cell phones can be found on every street corner, nook and nanny there is. Market saturation.

I'm not sure what my issue is. I know that smartphones have been saturated. When have I said anything different?

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Also remember that the iPhone 6 was the first (and apparently only) super-cycle. Apple went from 170 million iPhones to 230 million with the 6/6+.

Yeah, the prices did stay the same, so the increase in prices could be keeping enthusiasm at bay. It could also be that smartphones are so commonplace anymore that it's not that interesting of a topic.

If I knew people who took an interest in technology and enjoyed talking about it, I wouldn’t even be logging in to Mac Rumours lol. I work in R&D with fellow engineers who even find mobile phones boring.

 

[PeteS1963]

How many people are in your iPhone circle of friends. If it's 22, then 2 X-design iPhones vs. 20 old-iPhones sounds about right.

True. But what I was trying to say is that with the iPhone 6 & 6 Plus everyone was excited by it, wanted one and got one. It was similar for the iPhone 4 & 5. Not so now.

 

[baypharm]

Also remember that the iPhone 6 was the first (and apparently only) super-cycle. Apple went from 170 million iPhones to 230 million with the 6/6+.

Yeah, the prices did stay the same, so the increase in prices could be keeping enthusiasm at bay. It could also be that smartphones are so commonplace anymore that it's not that interesting of a topic.
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I'm not sure what my issue is. I know that smartphones have been saturated. When have I said anything different?

No issues. I was just commenting that market saturation has been around for awhile and in my belief that has to account for something

 

[ftaok]

True. But what I was trying to say is that with the iPhone 6 & 6 Plus everyone was excited by it, wanted one and got one. It was similar for the iPhone 4 & 5. Not so now.

Totally agree with you. I remember this site back in the days before the iPhone ... heck, I remember it before the iPod. Still waiting for the G5 Powerbook.

Tech used to be more exciting back then. Scouring over every last detail of a rumor to figure out what was next. Can't remember the last time I was blown away by a Apple presentation like I was when the iPad was intro'd. When Steve said it was $499, everyone crapped their pants. NO WAY it could be $499.

And the first iPhone presentation was unbelievable. That thing has to be a fake. No way possible that this is real.

Oh it's real!

Lately, it's just the same old same old. Bigger, faster, stronger. Yawn.

What's the next big WOW moment in tech? Will Apple be at the forefront? That's what it'll take to get excitement back.

 

[AutomaticApple]

I’m not that surprised.

 

[cola79]

I think it’s mainly because at least here in Europe most people simply don’t care about tech specs anymore. A smartphone has become a thing, it’s nothing special and really nobody cares what phone you use or what it might have cost. As long as popular apps run on it (what they do on any phone that is sold) and they can take fairly decent pictures (even low cost phones around 150€ do the job), people are fine with it.

And most people don’t care what OS is on their phone. Apple has a true problem here to become a ghost in the market, as people simply ignore high priced phones. Apple does not stay for something special, it just stands for grotesquely overpriced products.

Apple just sells when the product is discounted and comes close to the midprice range.

From all Apple users i know i heard the same like last year, they all would consider a new iPhone, but not for the prices of today. They want to use their phones until they stop working.

And for me it’s the same. I really prefer iOS over Android, but i will not pay that much for a phone. I replaced my SEs battery and hope for the best. I would not pay more than 200€ for a smartphone in future. So that means Apple will lose me when it comes to smartphones.

If i ever upgrade my IPad is also questionable. If prices go up there too, I’m out once more.

 

[44267547]

https://9to5mac.com/2018/11/28/iphone-xr-sales-joswiak/

Is it still selling poorly if it’s the best selling iPhone of the litter every day since the day it came out?

Smartphone market is saturated

The smart phone market has been saturated for quite some time. It’s not about what Apple releases in the future for iPhones, what I want to see them do is re-vamp their pricing structure, granted, they are not the only ones charging premium prices for their phones, the rising costs are not lucrative enough where even carriers that promote ‘Easy monthly payments’ is not attractive enough, Apple _needs_ to determine [value versus cost] for the consumer. I don’t see them changing their pricing soon, but at least continue to add more affordable iPhones into their lineup.

 

[JPack]

I think it’s mainly because at least here in Europe most people simply don’t care about tech specs anymore. A smartphone has become a thing, it’s nothing special and really nobody cares what phone you use or what it might have cost. As long as popular apps run on it (what they do on any phone that is sold) and they can take fairly decent pictures (even low cost phones around 150€ do the job), people are fine with it.

The U.S. government has artificially limited competition by banning Huawei, Oppo, and ZTE sales. As a result, American consumers have to choose between the Apple and Samsung duopoly.

Huawei's market share in Europe is growing by double digits each quarter. It's not that Europeans don't care about specs, there are simply more choices available for consumers who want the newest smartphones at a reasonable price.

 

[joshwithachance]

The iPhone XR is an inferior product in many ways to the iPhone 8 that it replaces. No surprise it’s not selling well. It’s the new iPhone 5c. It’s either the XS or the XS Max. The XR is a compromised product.

This is so wrong it’s nearly laughable. The XR is FAR superior to the 8. And it honestly outshines the XS in some aspects, especially value for the money. If it’s “either the XS or XS Max” why is the XR outselling both?

 

[Jimmy James]

Totally agree with you. I remember this site back in the days before the iPhone ... heck, I remember it before the iPod. Still waiting for the G5 Powerbook.

Tech used to be more exciting back then. Scouring over every last detail of a rumor to figure out what was next. Can't remember the last time I was blown away by a Apple presentation like I was when the iPad was intro'd. When Steve said it was $499, everyone crapped their pants. NO WAY it could be $499.

And the first iPhone presentation was unbelievable. That thing has to be a fake. No way possible that this is real.

Oh it's real!

Lately, it's just the same old same old. Bigger, faster, stronger. Yawn.

What's the next big WOW moment in tech? Will Apple be at the forefront? That's what it'll take to get excitement back.

It was exciting back then because gear was often inadequate and changes made a big difference. The market was also immature.

Now, a 3 year old phone or 5 year old laptop suffices for more people. I think it has less to do with things being boring and more to do with the fact that devices don’t suck.

 

[Raist3001]

https://9to5mac.com/2018/11/28/iphone-xr-sales-joswiak/

Is it still selling poorly if it’s the best selling iPhone of the litter every day since the day it came out?

Smartphone market is saturated

"Greg Joswiak, Apple vice president of product marketing, told CNET in an interview Wednesday that the [iPhone XR] has “been our most popular iPhone each and every day since the day it became available.”

Joswiak didn’t offer any additional detail on sales of iPhone XR

Gonna need to see hard figures to back up his claim. Have any been released? I don't believe apple divulges units sold anymore?

 

[thadoggfather]

"Greg Joswiak, Apple vice president of product marketing, told CNET in an interview Wednesday that the [iPhone XR] has “been our most popular iPhone each and every day since the day it became available.”

Joswiak didn’t offer any additional detail on sales of iPhone XR

Gonna need to see hard figures to back up his claim. Have any been released? I don't believe apple divulges units sold anymore?

Considering they said they aren’t revealing sales figures for anything moving forward, that’s gonna be tough to get them to cough that up

It’s not implausible. It’s the most affordable 2018 iPhone

 

[Raist3001]

Considering they said they aren’t revealing sales figures for anything moving forward, that’s gonna be tough to get them to cough that up

It’s not implausible. It’s the most affordable 2018 iPhone

Wouldn't the most affordable iPhone title go to the iPhone 7 and 8? I have no doubt the XR sold well in comparison to the XS/MAX, but how well against other releases? Doesn't seem that the XR sold as well as what was originally thought.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

The U.S. government has artificially limited competition by banning Huawei, Oppo, and ZTE sales. As a result, American consumers have to choose between the Apple and Samsung duopoly.

Huawei's market share in Europe is growing by double digits each quarter. It's not that Europeans don't care about specs, there are simply more choices available for consumers who want the newest smartphones at a reasonable price.

There is the thing about choice here but older iPhones are still hugely popular despite not having top line specs. Having the best specs on a phone that costs a grand doesn’t suddenly make your Instagram or emails look any better and that’s why interest has levelled off. The standard tasks of the core consumer can be achieved on most smartphones from the past few years.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

This is so wrong it’s nearly laughable. The XR is FAR superior to the 8. And it honestly outshines the XS in some aspects, especially value for the money. If it’s “either the XS or XS Max” why is the XR outselling both?

I wouldn’t say it’s ‘far superior’ as depending on the person there are trade offs with all these devices. The XR certainly isn’t far superior to my 8+ but I can understand why others would choose the XR instead, much like I preferred the phone I bought.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Wouldn't the most affordable iPhone title go to the iPhone 7 and 8? I have no doubt the XR sold well in comparison to the XS/MAX, but how well against other releases? Doesn't seem that the XR sold as well as what was originally thought.

He said ‘2018 iPhone’ so I took that as ones released this year. You’re right though as I think the older devices are perhaps selling very well too. The iPhone 7 was the best selling iPhone in the UK over this last twelve months so it just goes to show different countries also have different trends.