iPhone 8(+) If yall can stand one more question re: changing phones

ssledoux

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Okay so I have an 8+, and I’m getting the XS Max tomorrow. I’m on the upgrade plan, so I’ll have to send my 8+ back within a couple weeks.

My plan, because I’ve been reading about migraines with the OLED and the PWM stuff (which I do NOT understand at all), and I’m actually a little nervous. It seems like a good many people do have issues with this, and I want to be sure I’m not one of them before returning my 8+.

Therein lies my question. If I backup my 8+ to the cloud, and set up my new phone by restoring from the backup, then I need to go back to my 8+, what would I have to do?

I would obviously NOT erase and restore the 8+ until such time as I would be ready to return it, just in case I wound up needing to keep it, but I don’t know what it would require to basically reactivate it as far as having it work with my phone number again if I had already activated my number on the X Max.

I’m hoping this is all a moot point, and that my Max doesn’t cause me any issues, but honestly, the older I get the more sensitive I am to certain things, so I’m a little nervous about it. All that “flickering” and potential damage to my retinas makes me nervous. :-O
 

BasicGreatGuy

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When you get your new phone, make sure it is on the same Wifi as your current phone, The new phone will ask if you want to set up by placing the other phone close by. It will set up the new phone in short order. Very nice feature.

As to the flicker, that is a very minute percentage of people that are affected by such. I wouldn't even give it a second thought.

Sometimes reading too much on sites like this can create more perceived problems, if you aren't careful.
 
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now i see it

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PWM flicker induced eyestrain is a real problem that Apple and the whole display industry knows about. It's a problem that has affected a small percentage of users for years. If you're one of those in the "small" percentage- you'll feel the pain.
Use your new OLED iPhone all throughout day and see how your eyes feel. If it affects you- you'll know.
 

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When you get your new phone, make sure it is on the same Wifi as your current phone, The new phone will ask if you want to set up by placing the other phone close by. It will set up the new phone in short order. Very nice feature.

As to the flicker, that is a very minute percentage of people that are affected by such. I wouldn't even give it a second thought.

Sometimes reading too much on sites like this can create more perceived problems, if you aren't careful.
Does this require a backup to iCloud first? Or is it sort of like AirDrop for phone set up where it just transfers what it needs directly from the other phone?
 

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Does this require a backup to iCloud first? Or is it sort of like AirDrop for phone set up where it just transfers what it needs directly from the other phone?
Both. iCloud and phone to phone. It will ask you to backup your old phone if it detects it hasn’t been done.
 

ssledoux

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When you get your new phone, make sure it is on the same Wifi as your current phone, The new phone will ask if you want to set up by placing the other phone close by. It will set up the new phone in short order. Very nice feature.

As to the flicker, that is a very minute percentage of people that are affected by such. I wouldn't even give it a second thought.

Sometimes reading too much on sites like this can create more perceived problems, if you aren't careful.
Awesome - thank you!
 

AJAAY

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Okay so I have an 8+, and I’m getting the XS Max tomorrow. I’m on the upgrade plan, so I’ll have to send my 8+ back within a couple weeks.

My plan, because I’ve been reading about migraines with the OLED and the PWM stuff (which I do NOT understand at all), and I’m actually a little nervous. It seems like a good many people do have issues with this, and I want to be sure I’m not one of them before returning my 8+.

Therein lies my question. If I backup my 8+ to the cloud, and set up my new phone by restoring from the backup, then I need to go back to my 8+, what would I have to do?

I would obviously NOT erase and restore the 8+ until such time as I would be ready to return it, just in case I wound up needing to keep it, but I don’t know what it would require to basically reactivate it as far as having it work with my phone number again if I had already activated my number on the X Max.

I’m hoping this is all a moot point, and that my Max doesn’t cause me any issues, but honestly, the older I get the more sensitive I am to certain things, so I’m a little nervous about it. All that “flickering” and potential damage to my retinas makes me nervous. :-O
I was in the same boat last year with switching from 7 plus to X and then to 8 plus. Did you ever get a chance to play with the X last year, or anytime during the past year. If so, and you didn't have any issues (migraines, eye strain, etc) you'll be fine for your new XS Max. I suffered from the PWM issue with the X and had to return it last year. I'm ordering the XS Max this year hoping for different results. With the new Wifi feature with backing up and restoring iPhones. It makes it extremely easy to swap between iPhones.
 

kevroc

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Okay so I have an 8+, and I’m getting the XS Max tomorrow. I’m on the upgrade plan, so I’ll have to send my 8+ back within a couple weeks.

My plan, because I’ve been reading about migraines with the OLED and the PWM stuff (which I do NOT understand at all), and I’m actually a little nervous. It seems like a good many people do have issues with this, and I want to be sure I’m not one of them before returning my 8+.

Therein lies my question. If I backup my 8+ to the cloud, and set up my new phone by restoring from the backup, then I need to go back to my 8+, what would I have to do?

I would obviously NOT erase and restore the 8+ until such time as I would be ready to return it, just in case I wound up needing to keep it, but I don’t know what it would require to basically reactivate it as far as having it work with my phone number again if I had already activated my number on the X Max.

I’m hoping this is all a moot point, and that my Max doesn’t cause me any issues, but honestly, the older I get the more sensitive I am to certain things, so I’m a little nervous about it. All that “flickering” and potential damage to my retinas makes me nervous. :-O
1. You want to do an iCloud backup from your 8+. Normally it happens every night, but just before you get the new phone you can force the backup in settings.

2. The new phone will detect the hold phone and you can scan a screen pattern from one to the other to help do the initial setup sets, but ultimately you will restore the new phone from the 8+ iCloud backup.

3. You can always easily go back to the 8+ with a few minor caveats.

A. Texts / messages will be going to the new phone, so the old phone will not have those.

B. Calls / voicemails, same as A.

C. Photos you take, same as A.

Now, you might already have iCloud Photo’s enabled and ICloud Messages enabled, and that will alleviate a couple of them, and really, who cares about call logs anymore?! So it’s actually quite easy to switch back in most cases.

You could very likely end up not liking the new phone, so just keep your 8+ on, connected to wifi, just in case :)
 

DDustiNN

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I believe you can restore an iCloud backup to any phone as long as it’s on the same (or newer) iOS version as the backup. So you should be able to continue your backups on the XS, and if you don’t like it, you can restore those backups to your 8, which would keep you fully up-to-date with all of your texts and such.
 

ssledoux

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1. You want to do an iCloud backup from your 8+. Normally it happens every night, but just before you get the new phone you can force the backup in settings.

2. The new phone will detect the hold phone and you can scan a screen pattern from one to the other to help do the initial setup sets, but ultimately you will restore the new phone from the 8+ iCloud backup.

3. You can always easily go back to the 8+ with a few minor caveats.

A. Texts / messages will be going to the new phone, so the old phone will not have those.

B. Calls / voicemails, same as A.

C. Photos you take, same as A.

Now, you might already have iCloud Photo’s enabled and ICloud Messages enabled, and that will alleviate a couple of them, and really, who cares about call logs anymore?! So it’s actually quite easy to switch back in most cases.

You could very likely end up not liking the new phone, so just keep your 8+ on, connected to wifi, just in case :)
Well...

I don’t have WiFi at home (we function off of straight LTE out here in the boonies), so my phone almost never backs up to the cloud unless I tell it to when I’m at my daughter’s house. I know I’ll need to do that backup, and I’m babysitting the grandkids tonight, so I’m already planning to do all my stuff with my new devices. ;-p

All of the above after that makes sense. I DO have iCloud photos enabled, but I wouldn’t be able to backup my NEW phone and then restore from that, so I’m still not sure I’d be able to get those onto my old phone, unless I take some I just HAVE to keep - then I guess I could email them to one of my daughters and then they could send back to me once I’m back on the old phone and I could take screen shots or something.

Why does my old phone need to stay connected to WiFi? Since I don’t HAVE WiFi, I’m curious as to whether you mean it literally needs to stay connected to WiFi, or just be where it CAN be connected to WiFi. I can always leave it at my daughter’s and leave it connected, if it has to actually stay connected.
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I believe you can restore an iCloud backup to any phone as long as it’s on the same (or newer) iOS version as the backup. So you should be able to continue your backups on the XS, and if you don’t like it, you can restore those backups to your 8, which would keep you fully up-to-date with all of your texts and such.
Okay so this brings up something else - should I updated my 8+ the iOS 12 before I do all this? I wasn’t gonna bother doing that since the plan is to send the phone back to Apple (without WiFi, it’s not like it was gonna be quick and easy to get the update done), but if I should do it before I do all the backups, I guess I can.

I REALLY hope none of this is an issue, and that my Max doesn’t cause me any problems, but I want to be prepared just in case.
 

DDustiNN

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Okay so this brings up something else - should I updated my 8+ the iOS 12 before I do all this? I wasn’t gonna bother doing that since the plan is to send the phone back to Apple (without WiFi, it’s not like it was gonna be quick and easy to get the update done), but if I should do it before I do all the backups, I guess I can.

I REALLY hope none of this is an issue, and that my Max doesn’t cause me any problems, but I want to be prepared just in case.
You don’t have to. Using an iOS 11 backup from your old phone, the new phone on iOS 12 should accept it just fine.

If you then decide to go back to your iPhone 8 later, you would have to update it first. You won’t be able to restore your new iOS 12 backups to an iOS 11 phone. Backups are only forward compatible when it cones to iOS versions.

Hope that makes sense.
 
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millydog

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You can also back up and restore via iTunes.

I initially did a restore from iTunes backup, but then saw the clutter and unused apps that were going to take some time and decided to wipe and start again. So I set it up as a new device and my X was next to me and the XS Max took settings from the X and activated even though I was setting it up as new. So both setting up as new and restoring from iCloud backup can both optionally use your old device to obtain settings.
 

kevroc

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Well...

I don’t have WiFi at home (we function off of straight LTE out here in the boonies), so my phone almost never backs up to the cloud unless I tell it to when I’m at my daughter’s house. I know I’ll need to do that backup, and I’m babysitting the grandkids tonight, so I’m already planning to do all my stuff with my new devices. ;-p

All of the above after that makes sense. I DO have iCloud photos enabled, but I wouldn’t be able to backup my NEW phone and then restore from that, so I’m still not sure I’d be able to get those onto my old phone, unless I take some I just HAVE to keep - then I guess I could email them to one of my daughters and then they could send back to me once I’m back on the old phone and I could take screen shots or something.

Why does my old phone need to stay connected to WiFi? Since I don’t HAVE WiFi, I’m curious as to whether you mean it literally needs to stay connected to WiFi, or just be where it CAN be connected to WiFi. I can always leave it at my daughter’s and leave it connected, if it has to actually stay connected.
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Okay so this brings up something else - should I updated my 8+ the iOS 12 before I do all this? I wasn’t gonna bother doing that since the plan is to send the phone back to Apple (without WiFi, it’s not like it was gonna be quick and easy to get the update done), but if I should do it before I do all the backups, I guess I can.

I REALLY hope none of this is an issue, and that my Max doesn’t cause me any problems, but I want to be prepared just in case.

I only say to leave it on wifi so it stays as current as possible checking mail, app updates etc so it's a bit easier to go back to. No big deal really if you don't.

For backups, If you don't have Wifi, I've found backup up to computer via iTunes to work really well also, then restore from that to the new phone.

If your old phone is on 11 and your new phone is on 12, then backup on 11 can restore on 12. You couldn't backup your new phone and restore back to 11 though (you can upgrade but not downgrade with IOS versions).

If you have iCloud Photos enabled you are covered there, any photos you take with your new phone will go to the cloud and then download to your old phone whenever it's connected again (if you go back to it).

I wouldn't worry about updating to 12 on your old phone, unless you plan to go back to it and keep, then by all means 12 is great. If you enable iCloud Messages also that's one less thing to worry about being locked up on your phone in the future.
 
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