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If you could legally purchase macOS/OS X for ANY computer, would you continue to buy Mac HARDWARE?

  • Yes - I would continue buying Mac hardware no differently than before

    Votes: 20 16.8%
  • Yes-BUT-Less - I would continue to buy Mac hardware, but my buying habits would change

    Votes: 29 24.4%
  • No - I would NOT buy ANY Mac hardware in the future

    Votes: 23 19.3%
  • No-BUT-Tentative - I would NOT buy ANY Apple hardware in the future, UNLESS major changes are made

    Votes: 37 31.1%
  • Unsure/Other

    Votes: 10 8.4%

  • Total voters
    119
  • Poll closed .
Would be nice if Apple made this an option , say a X299 motherboard with Mac boot efi rom.
I would be very happy with that option, anyway never going to happen.

Just hoping Apple deliver with the updated macpro when they get around to it.
 
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I'd dump Apple hardware in a second. It's not what it used to be in the 90's Its all no airflow, restricted and locked down now. Hackintoshes will be the way to go if Apple doesn't pulpits head out of it's dongle and wise up.
 
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I'd dump Apple hardware in a second. It's not what it used to be in the 90's Its all no airflow, restricted and locked down now. Hackintoshes will be the way to go if Apple doesn't pulpits head out of it's dongle and wise up.
Hackintosh works great for one iteration of MacOS, and the hardware that iteration supported. The problem is when Apple changes MacOS with various patches. Then
you have to re-invent the Hackintosh - expensive and time consuming. That's why my hope is that Apple will license its OS and hardware secrets to competing PC manufacturers. Sans that, the Mac is going down - 5 years is my guess. Apple is a phone/tablet company.
 
Hackintosh works great for one iteration of MacOS, and the hardware that iteration supported. The problem is when Apple changes MacOS with various patches. Then
you have to re-invent the Hackintosh - expensive and time consuming. That's why my hope is that Apple will license its OS and hardware secrets to competing PC manufacturers. Sans that, the Mac is going down - 5 years is my guess. Apple is a phone/tablet company.
Agreed. I still remember the old days when Mac clones were a thing and you just had to buy the OS from Apple.
 
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I would love for Apple to license MacOS. I am actually hoping their computer sales tank so they can consider selling the OS as a stand alone product.
They tried this in the past and it nearly killed them. While the Mac is not as important today as it was then, the fact remains, they make money on the hardware sales, and if they remove a major factor for buying the hardware (macOS), then people will stop buying the hardware and I don't believe the licensing costs will make up for that loss of revenue.

Its a great move for the consumer as it gives us choice but its a horrible idea from a business perspective.
 
They tried this in the past and it nearly killed them. While the Mac is not as important today as it was then, the fact remains, they make money on the hardware sales, and if they remove a major factor for buying the hardware (macOS), then people will stop buying the hardware and I don't believe the licensing costs will make up for that loss of revenue.

Its a great move for the consumer as it gives us choice but its a horrible idea from a business perspective.


I’m still not going to stop fantasizing about it ;)

It is possible that they may license it in the future, if their hardware sales tank and they market it to directly compete with windows. I know it’s unlikely, but I can still dream. In the meantime, if they do justice to the next Mac Mini, I won’t complain.
 
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Maybe for a desktop. But not for a laptop. I'd still pay the Apple premium.

Heck, even if I moved to Windows for some masochistic reason, I'd still buy a MacBook Pro to use it on. Apple's hardware is gorgeous.

More or less like this.

I would still buy Apple’s laptops, as they are really fine. Great piece of hardware, well made, gorgeous screen, thin and light, quality materials, nice keyboard and trackpad. Should the trackpad work well in other environments, it would be a great machine for Windows as well.

It of course would depend on how the competition would be, as there are also other fine laptops produced by several manufacturers.

As for the desktops, I would hardly buy a Mac. The Mac Mini is seriously underpowered and expensive for what it is, I would not buy one of those. I would not even buy the iMac, not even with its great screen. The keyboard is not the best, and the specs could be better (and they get very expensive if you decide to choose a faster machine). Plus, I am not following this closely, but I think I would still not be able to use the retina iMac as an external display, so if I decide to buy another computer I would still have to buy an additional monitor.
 
I keep on thinking they should license macOS but keep their approval over products and take a fee from the manufacturer. They would no longer need to employ Dilbert to engineer new keyboards, they'd get the money, and Ive could tell – say – Dell that nothing thicker than 0.5 mm is going to get approved.
 
If that Mac worked well as it does on Apple hardware...sure, I would build my own hardware.

But, something tells me such Mac OS would turn into Windows then.
I've had a Hackintosh going strong (until a little security update for High Sierra bricked it). Just out of boredom I installed Mojave Beta on it, zero problems. I think I will un-retire that Hackintosh. So except for the fact I need new drivers every now and then it is entirely possible to put macOS on other hardware already and run it as the main* machine, as I did for a few years before.

Laptop-wise it's very difficult to get anything that even resembles Apple's quality, not to mention needing to replace internal parts. But when I say quality I also mean the herpes edition of keyboard, not just the incredible trackpad, great screen, scarily fast SSDs, etc.

* main as in "have another option, no matter what it is, and keep TM backups", of course.
 
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I've had a Hackintosh going strong (until a little security update for High Sierra bricked it). Just out of boredom I installed Mojave Beta on it, zero problems. I think I will un-retire that Hackintosh. So except for the fact I need new drivers every now and then it is entirely possible to put macOS on other hardware already and run it as the main machine, as I did for a few years before.

Laptop-wise it's very difficult to get anything that even resembles Apple's quality, not to mention needing to replace internal parts. But when I say quality I also mean the herpes edition of keyboard, not just the incredible trackpad, great screen, scarily fast SSDs, etc.
That's how it is with Hackintosh, there is possibility with updates breaking something. Like iMessages and FaceTime, on which I rely so much that I rarely pick up my iPhone when I am at home.

If such bug happens with Mac update on Apple hardware, you can be sure it is gonna be fixed soon. On Hackintosh, you are left on your own.

Plus, with Apple hardware, I always have someone to blame when something goes wrong. On non Apple hardware, well, it's my fault. :)
 
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That's how it is with Hackintosh, there is possibility with updates breaking something. Like iMessages and FaceTime, on which I rely so much that I rarely pick up my iPhone when I am at home.
Welp, all the MBP2018s so far required me to reformat the drive to get rid of errors, reinstall the system, despair when it wouldn't work first or even second time around... also iMessages and FaceTime work on my Hack :) (I don't use them, but I could)

If such bug happens with Mac update on Apple hardware, you can be sure it is gonna be fixed soon. On Hackintosh, you are left on your own.
Mostly true, except those bloody keyboards. ;) But yes, true. I'm perhaps weird, but I always enjoyed fighting the Hack until it started to work again. Sort of "you thought you won? HELL TO THE NO, I am the master of the IT universe" ;)

Plus, with Apple hardware, I always have someone to blame when something goes wrong. On non Apple hardware, well, it's my fault.
Can't dispute that! :D
 
No, I would not buy Mac Hardware.

Whats more. If MacOS would be possible to buy without Mac I would still buy Windows OS, because of the amount of software there is on this platform.

And soon even on Linux there will be more software than it will be for Mac...
 
IF, I could get 100% full support from Apple, I would have installed in on my Dell laptop years ago
 
No, I would not buy Mac Hardware.

Whats more. If MacOS would be possible to buy without Mac I would still buy Windows OS, because of the amount of software there is on this platform.

And soon even on Linux there will be more software than it will be for Mac...

Not sure what you are doing in a Mac forum, but anyway... I have to agree.

I find it hard to justify using Mac software. Of course, macOS is a joy to use, but so is Windows these days.

And Windows has a ton of software more than macOS. There is quality software for macOS, but Windows has so much more. And in most cases, software available for macOS is also available for Windows. Many times, the Windows version is better.

There is a reason for this, of course. Why a company, especially a large one, would make software that would run in only 5% of computers? They aim for market share in the universe of people who use Windows, and which correspond to over 90% of the computer market.

Microsoft Office for Windows is way better than the Mac version. Games are usually made for Windows and not Mac. Why spend a lot in developing Mac software when most of users run Windows?

Mac-only software is usually developed by small companies. And sometimes they do great software. Look at OmniGroup, for instance: I still cannot find a credible Windows alternative to OmniOutliner. However, as good as these software are, they are still developed by small companies, which may run out of business at some point. And leave a bunch of files that are incompatible with other software. Look at what happened to Circus Ponies, for instance.

Microsoft and other heavyweights will not have such problems. Microsoft Office is around and will be for some time. And the best version runs on... Windows.

As for Linux, I do not find it really credible for the end user. There are lots of software, but very poorly implemented. As it is open source and free most of the times, there is no real commitment of the developer to keep improving it for the years or decades to come. There is no Microsoft Office for Linux. Yes, there is LibreOffice, you may say, and it is free. But it is miles away from Microsoft Office in features and collaboration, and it is not really a contender, no matter how much the community of enthusiasts praise it.

Even then, macOS is hardly justifiable except for using in a laptop (as the trackpad works beautifully) and in simple things like browsing the Internet, checking email, and taking notes.
 
Not sure what you are doing in a Mac forum, but anyway... I have to agree.

I find it hard to justify using Mac software. Of course, macOS is a joy to use, but so is Windows these days.

And Windows has a ton of software more than macOS. There is quality software for macOS, but Windows has so much more. And in most cases, software available for macOS is also available for Windows. Many times, the Windows version is better.

There is a reason for this, of course. Why a company, especially a large one, would make software that would run in only 5% of computers? They aim for market share in the universe of people who use Windows, and which correspond to over 90% of the computer market.

Microsoft Office for Windows is way better than the Mac version. Games are usually made for Windows and not Mac. Why spend a lot in developing Mac software when most of users run Windows?

Mac-only software is usually developed by small companies. And sometimes they do great software. Look at OmniGroup, for instance: I still cannot find a credible Windows alternative to OmniOutliner. However, as good as these software are, they are still developed by small companies, which may run out of business at some point. And leave a bunch of files that are incompatible with other software. Look at what happened to Circus Ponies, for instance.

Microsoft and other heavyweights will not have such problems. Microsoft Office is around and will be for some time. And the best version runs on... Windows.

As for Linux, I do not find it really credible for the end user. There are lots of software, but very poorly implemented. As it is open source and free most of the times, there is no real commitment of the developer to keep improving it for the years or decades to come. There is no Microsoft Office for Linux. Yes, there is LibreOffice, you may say, and it is free. But it is miles away from Microsoft Office in features and collaboration, and it is not really a contender, no matter how much the community of enthusiasts praise it.

Even then, macOS is hardly justifiable except for using in a laptop (as the trackpad works beautifully) and in simple things like browsing the Internet, checking email, and taking notes.
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It's times like these I'm glad I'm a Windows user. I'm not beholden to a single hardware manufacturer who may, or may not, share my values.

It's pretty sad for some people who love MacOS but then Apple doesn't make the computers they want.

So if Apple is gonna lose interest in Macs... then they should sell MacOS separately.

Apple getting $300 for a copy of MacOS is better than getting ZERO dollars when someone doesn't buy a Mac at all.
So funny. I've worked with Windows over a decade. I'm not going back to that junk. Unless of course I start missing viruses, data loss, blue screens and of course the mandatory yearly formatting and reinstalling everything. Thanks but no thanks. That being said. I like the look of some surface devices. Most desktops are plain hideous. They did come out with one giant flatscreen for graphic people which I thought apple should have invented. With a decent OS of course.
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When Mac hardware was still top notch and closely wedded to OSX, and yes, when Steve Jobs was still at the helm, I thought the solid reliability of both the hardware and the BSD based OS, along with superb software packages included, made the ownership of Macs well worth the prices. Apple customer support was also top notch, which is unfortunately increasingly no longer the case. I worked with Windows, especially Windows servers, from 1994 (with the release of Windows NT) until 2007, when I retired. Prior to that I had worked primarily with Unix, VMS, and other older DEC systems, varying from PDP-11's to Vaxes, and finally DEC Alphas. It was instructive that around 2006 most of our 12-member Windows Server staff were using Macbook Pro's for their personal machines. The combination of Apple quality and support, along with the switch to Intel architecture made the new Macs appealing to people of our backgrounds with largely Intel PCs and Servers. That was when I bought my first Mac, the old but worthy MBP (1,1) I'm currently typing this on. The keyboard is the best I've ever experienced and still works well. Once Apple stopped supporting it, I installed a Linux partition on it just so I could get Linux system updates. Once I retired, I stopped using Windows entirely, have bought 3 different iMacs (still a pretty good buy - bought my last one about 6 months ago), but only now buy PC laptops and install Linux of various flavors.

In the last 5 years, I've seen Apple laptops suffer with lack of ports, keyboard issues, and some cooling problems. They've also lagged in ease of hardware upgradability that used to be standard with MBPs. I've noticed the decline in customer support, both online and at the Apple stores in my area. The high prices of Apple laptops are no longer justified, at least for me. During this same 5 year period, PC hardware has significantly improved in both performance and in reliability, and Linux distributions have vastly improved in ease of use, both for installation and in software support. Apple decline has occurred simultaneously with PC/Linux improvements. PC hardware support has always been rather scant, as there are so many hardware vendors, and of course, with Linux you must be willing to be largely self-supporting by using the various distro forums for suggestions and guidelines when troubles come up. I would say that most folks coming from the Apple "walled garden" will mostly miss what Apple used to offer under Jobs - high hardware/software reliability and great customer support. With the decline of Apple in those areas, there isn't as much to miss by switching to the PC. I don't miss the current Apple much at all in terms of what I need in a good laptop. Since I come from a career in computers and networks, I actually enjoy tinkering with Linux - others might not appreciate that so much. Sorry this was long, and that it took me so long to respond. Just now ran across you message. Good luck!
You summarized it neatly. At the moment you better be willing to tinker with Linux. Maybe one day... Don't even get me started on the non consistent GUI of Linux software.
 
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