If you have Virgin or BT as your ISP, dont do anything until you read this!

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  1. PowerFullMac macrumors 601

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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7486743.stm

    I am seriously considering moving to Talk Talk, Carphone Warehouse's ISP.
     
  2. mkrishnan Moderator emeritus

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    I'm somehow less than impressed by "It wasn't me, someone must have hacked my router" claims.... :rolleyes:

    I'm probably too American about this, but to me the "three strikes" policy, at least as briefly described (multiple warnings followed by service discontinuation) is more than reasonable. It's certainly more reasonable than the policy in the US of suing file-sharers at random and pushing them into out-of-court settlements where they buy amnesty for $3000 or $5000.

    I'm no lover of the RIAA in the US or similar agencies elsewhere. And I do have a very limited amount of sympathy with regard to movies and TV shows, because the industry has been way to slow too bring content online. But as far as music is concern, it is widely available online using tons of different models from direct marketing, freeware (e.g. NIN), donationware (e.g. Radiohead), subscription models, outright purchase models, etc, etc. No one has any excuse to be pirating music anymore.

    There should be some balance to protect copyright holders... and in this case the balance is extremely generous, from my perspective.
     
  3. arkitect macrumors 601

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    Apart from the fact that this old news — if you are doing nothing "wrong" then why worry? :confused:

    ;)
     
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  5. PowerFullMac thread starter macrumors 601

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    It was published yesterday.

    I think they should respect user's privacy, if I pay for a service I think I should do what the hell I want with it.

    Also, what happened to the internet being the home of freedom of speech etc.? They shouldnt police the internet.
     
  6. Abstract macrumors Penryn

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    ^^^To put it bluntly, that is the dumbest thing I've heard in a LONG time.

    It's stealing, people are getting called out for it via a non-confrontational letter, so what's wrong with this? You paid for internet access. This does not entitle people to steal music. Buying a knife does not mean you can do whatever illegal act you want with it. Buying a car does not give you the right to drive as fast as you want.

    Having freedom of speech does not entitle you to steal music.
     
  7. scotthayes macrumors 68000

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    Well said that man.

    Seems pretty simple, don't steal music and you won't get cut off.
     
  8. arkitect macrumors 601

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    A simple and easy to grasp concept you'd think. :eek:

    Yet so many people struggle with that it seems.
     
  9. Am3822 macrumors 6502

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    All well and true (no theft / no cutting), but surely this raises some privacy issues.
     
  10. millar876 macrumors 6502a

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    with regard to videos, I don't view it as stealing, because, I could just as easily record from my sky+ box to DVD then rip with MTR and handbrake. Anything i download, I have either watched first, or set my sky+ box to record the series, mark them as watched and leave them on the planner for 1 week so the callback feature registers it, Later when the show is out on DVD/BD I'll buy it. I have done this with SG1, Atlantis, Smallville, Torchwood, Doctor who and many more. I make sure that i pay for the content in one way or another eventually. Be it through my subscription TV service, TV Licence, or physical media. It just irks me that stuff takes so long to come out on DVD here, I mean there are still some Atlantis DVDs to be released for season 4, and that finished ages ago.
     
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    To me, this is no more a breach of privacy as a metal detector at a door. If it catches a man concealing a weapon, has his privacy been breached by the metal detector?

    I believe we should all have a right to privacy, freedom of speech, etc. However, these rights are used too often in arguments by people who have no real excuse for their actions. I'm willing to accept security cameras in a retail shop. If it was my choice, they wouldn't be there. However, as a thinking human being who can feel empathy, I can understand why they are there, and why they are necessary, as not everyone who enters a shop is there for legal reasons. If it was my shop, I would feel quite bad, even if I was just the manager of a huge multinational company who wouldn't blink an eye at the theft.

    Nobody cares about you, or what you do. Police don't. Security cameras don't. ISPs don't. It's not like these people are watching you. They're watching a person of some sort, his hands, his pockets, and yes, his downloading activity. You're not even a name. All they see is your IP number, so really, what privacy are you giving up? You're only visible when you do something illegal. Everyone on MacRumours, surfing animal porn, Youtube, etc, are all safe, faceless, nameless "things" in the ether.
     
  12. edesignuk Moderator emeritus

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    BBC.

    http://up.*************/files/1/Images/Smilies/Dogeyes.gif
     
  13. Abstract macrumors Penryn

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    Everyone needs to learn about the birds and the bees.....and the horses somehow.
     
  14. arkitect macrumors 601

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    You obviously don't live in the UK. :D ;)

    You cannot move or take a **** without being recorded on a camera…
     
  15. scotthayes macrumors 68000

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    I'm simply stunned that people are moaning that they are been told to stop illegal activity but there is hardly any uproar on the ruling that google must hand over the entire logs for youtube of which the vast majority is legal.
     
  16. arkitect macrumors 601

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    If I had an "Applause" Smilie I'd put a few here.

    Well said. :)
     
  17. liketom macrumors 601

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    where i live , there was a attack on a chap in the city centre - cameras almost everywhere , and guess what

    they still have no idea who did it

    cameras sort of not work
     
  18. arkitect macrumors 601

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    Don't tell me…
    They lost the video tapes by leaving it on a train seat?

    :D:D
     
  19. liketom macrumors 601

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    nahhh all the trains around here are still on strike :D

    crazy world
     
  20. Dagless macrumors Core

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    Why is it BT and Virgin seem to end up doing things together, first the crappy advertising thing and now this? Who's Branson in bed with?

    Certainly not me!
     
  21. Phil A. Moderator

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    As a Virgin customer, I'm delighted by this move as I have never downloaded or otherwise acquired anything in breach of copyright restrictions.
    My comments aren't intended as a moral or judgemental statement: The reason I'm happy is that if this drives people away who do engage in this sort of activity, there will be more bandwidth for the rest of us :D
     
  22. elfin buddy macrumors 6502a

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    Interesting analogy. What if your belt buckle got you flagged for a pat-down?
     
  23. Loge macrumors 68020

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    Unless someone drops a tiny amount of litter, then they would know exactly who did it.
     
  24. PowerFullMac thread starter macrumors 601

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    Lets put it like this, say a phone network sells you a phone contract that you pay £25 a month for but then the network goes and says that you cant call your best mates numbers and if you do they will cut you off.

    Although I respect the industries need for money, they still end up rich anyway despite piracy, how many artists and producers do you see in flash cars and huge houses making more money than we will probably make in our lives in a few months? Almost all of them! Its not like they are poor or anything, they have so much money they could live off the interest alone!
     

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