iPad mini If you want to get an idea of how much the rMini weighs [FREE GYM ROUTINES INSIDE]

[Zellio]

I know you're just joking around, but it's still funny because I've been progressively lifting weights for years. I'm not exactly weak, so that can't be why I'm complaining about 23 grams . By the sounds of your post though, "time to go work out my biceps", you sound like a complete beginner. I wouldn't be surprised if you go to the gym and only do isolated exercises all day, with the only compound being bench. Years in and I still don't feel the need to do isolated bicep curls, and I only ever hear beginners talk about going to the gym to do curls lol.

I've gone for 4 years. And I do one muscle group a day. My schedule is usually like this:

Monday running
Tuesday Triceps
Wednesday Biceps
Thursday Neck/running
Friday Chest
Saturday Legs
Sunday Back/Shoulders/Forearms

And I don't know what muscle routine you do, but everyone I know (Esp. the big body builders), and the guys on bodybuilding.com have specific days where they do one muscle group at a time. Otherwise you are just toning if you overwork each muscle group.

As far as curling goes, most people combine triceps and biceps, but I'm tricep/back/legs dominant and never get anywhere with biceps if I do them with triceps. So for me it's best to do curling by themselves. Lets put it this way. At my best I can do around 90 lbs for biceps. At my best on neck exercises (Only did this 2-3 times, I've never done it again as I don't want to break my neck!), I've done 135. My neck is stronger then both biceps put together!

The only other way I seem to gain biceps is if I work them out when I work out my back. But usually I never work them out enough for the week that way, and if I do biceps by themselves or with triceps, I usually end up overworking them.

I also don't want to do do biceps first on a bicep tricep day, as I usually push tricep exercises pretty high, and I'm pretty often able to go up some weight. For biceps, I'm lucky to gain 5 lbs in... a year.......................

 

[syd430]

I've gone for 4 years. And I do one muscle group a day. My schedule is usually like this:

Monday running
Tuesday Triceps
Wednesday Biceps
Thursday Neck/running
Friday Chest
Saturday Legs
Sunday Back/Shoulders/Forearms

And I don't know what muscle routine you do, but everyone I know (Esp. the big body builders), and the guys on bodybuilding.com have specific days where they do one muscle group at a time. Otherwise you are just toning if you overwork each muscle group.

As far as curling goes, most people combine triceps and biceps, but I'm tricep/back/legs dominant and never get anywhere with biceps if I do them with triceps. So for me it's best to do curling by themselves.

The only other way I seem to gain biceps is if I work them out when I work out my back. But usually I never work them out enough for the week that way, and if I do biceps by themselves or with triceps, I usually end up overworking them.

I also don't want to do do biceps first on a bicep tricep day, as I usually push tricep exercises pretty high, and I'm pretty often able to go up some weight. For biceps, I'm lucky to gain 5 lbs in... a year.......................

Are you serious? Did you really just post your routine here?

I only replied to your initial post because you called me a weakling that's never stepped in the gym before (unlike Mr Bicep Curls here), and that's apparently why I'm complaining about 23g. I just wanted to tell you that that's not the case.

I don't care about your lame split routine or what people told you on bb.com in the teenage bodybuilding section lol.

 

[iSayuSay]

People don't know what heavy means nowadays.

It's not a matter of how many weights you can carry. It's how long you're gonna lift it CONSTANTLY. Even drops of water can be damaging if you're exposed too long

When you use iPad, read books, watch movies or gaming in it you'd use it for some time and that's when 10 grams difference is big.

 

[DFZD]

This

Jokes Apart Let's Compare iPad Mini to other current Apple devices.

iPad Mini Retina - $400 - A7, M7, 1GB RAM- Best Display on any Apple Devices (Comparing PPI)
iPad Mini - $300 - A5, 512MB RAM - Poor Display
iPad 2 - $400 - A5, 512MB RAM - Terrible Display
iPad Air - $500 - A7, 1GB RAM - Good Display
iPhone 5s - $649 - A7, 1GB RAM - Good Display
iPhone 5c - $549 - A6, 1GB RAM - Good Display
iPod Touch 5 - $300 - A5, 512MB RAM - Good Display

So based on that comparison, IMO iPad Mini Retina is the Most VFM Apple Product ATM.

 

[syd430]

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Jokes Apart Let's Compare iPad Mini to other current Apple devices.

iPad Mini Retina - $400 - A7, M7, 1GB RAM- Best Display on any Apple Devices (Comparing PPI)

1) PPI is only relevant in relation to the normal viewing distance. The iPad mini is smaller than the Air. The normal viewing distance is smaller, therefore a greater PPI is required to achive the same sharpness at the normal viewing distance. So few people on this forum understand this, you included.

2) The mini appears to have lower colour reproduction compared to the Air. In no way is the mini display superior to the Air as you claim.

Anyway, why write a post just talking about screens? You're in the wrong thread.

 

[Zellio]

Are you serious? Did you really just post your routine here?

I only replied to your initial post because you called me a weakling that's never stepped in the gym before (unlike Mr Bicep Curls here), and that's apparently why I'm complaining about 23g. I just wanted to tell you that that's not the case.

I don't care about your lame split routine or what people told you on bb.com in the teenage bodybuilding section lol.

I'm not a teenager. Save your petty insults for somebody else, weakling. This will be the last time I respond to you.

 

[syd430]

I'm not a teenager. Save your petty insults for somebody else, weakling. This will be the last time I respond to you.

I never said that your were one, no insults were thrown at you. I just assumed that you visit the teenage section of bb.com because you happened to mention that site and I know a lot of beginners start out there.

 

[MyopicPaideia]

Your argument would have been very valid in 2012, not anymore since Apple has supposedly begun using IGZO starting with the iPad Air. You can throw most of the information in your post out the window because it's out of date. You're essentially describing the the process that Apple used to shoehorn a retina display into the iPad 3. Given that IGZO uses far less backlighting and far less energy than the old way of shoehorning a retina display in like we saw with the iPad 3, i highly doubt that Apple couldn't keep the Mini the same weight.

My guess is that they wanted to put a retina display in as cheaply as possible, even if it is still technically using some form of IGZO, as evidenced by the greater thickness and weight and poor colour reproduction/gamut of the display, on par with the non-retina Mini (something that you didn't mention at all in your post).

All of that to me, points to greater margins since they also increased the price by so much. You can't simply say that it has faster processor and retina display, therefore their margins are probably less. You're forgetting that component costs drop every year. The A5 in 2012 probably cost around the same as the A7 in 2013, despite the 2 generation jump.

Actually, the weight increase is almost entirely due to a much larger battery being put into the r-mini than in generation 1. See the iFixit news story on this site. What other component besides the display do you imagine might need this much extra power to achieve the same battery life (as the battery life has not increased despite the significant increase in battery size)?

Also, i haven't found a review of the iPad mini screen yet, but the iPad Air displays have received excellent reviews. Can you post your sources for the poor colour gamut comments you made?

 

[Cool Pup]

I dunno what half of you guys would do if you went into a gym.

Which reminds me, it's time to go work out biceps. No seriously.

You don't really use your muscles in that way to pick up a device, it's mostly in the wrist, especially in how you can use the Mini with one hand.

Yes, the Retina Mini is a bit heavier than the weight of the original, but after a while, I got adjusted to it. It's a worthy payoff considering the screen and spec bump.

I can say I was initially a bit disappointed, but because I am a Mini user and not a full-size user really, it feels great now. It's nothing too heavy or anything. Still a bit lighter than the Air, even if, at first, it seems like the Air is lighter (mostly due to the height).

 

[richardbb85]

haha, come on man. went from ipad mini weights to ur workout routine. sad day my friend

I've gone for 4 years. And I do one muscle group a day. My schedule is usually like this:

Monday running
Tuesday Triceps
Wednesday Biceps
Thursday Neck/running
Friday Chest
Saturday Legs
Sunday Back/Shoulders/Forearms

And I don't know what muscle routine you do, but everyone I know (Esp. the big body builders), and the guys on bodybuilding.com have specific days where they do one muscle group at a time. Otherwise you are just toning if you overwork each muscle group.

As far as curling goes, most people combine triceps and biceps, but I'm tricep/back/legs dominant and never get anywhere with biceps if I do them with triceps. So for me it's best to do curling by themselves. Lets put it this way. At my best I can do around 90 lbs for biceps. At my best on neck exercises (Only did this 2-3 times, I've never done it again as I don't want to break my neck!), I've done 135. My neck is stronger then both biceps put together!

The only other way I seem to gain biceps is if I work them out when I work out my back. But usually I never work them out enough for the week that way, and if I do biceps by themselves or with triceps, I usually end up overworking them.

I also don't want to do do biceps first on a bicep tricep day, as I usually push tricep exercises pretty high, and I'm pretty often able to go up some weight. For biceps, I'm lucky to gain 5 lbs in... a year.......................

 

[raccoonboy]

Apple just did us a favor. We were complaining how ipad mini gen 1 is too expensive at launch usd 329 without retina.

Now Tim Cook gave us the retina we want at additional 70 usd which we dont want. I see a lot less complain than last year. Probably because people are already used to apple device being overpriced and overhyped.

 

[Zellio]

haha, come on man. went from ipad mini weights to ur workout routine. sad day my friend

Hey, blame the person marking threads complaining about a few extra grams of weight....

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You don't really use your muscles in that way to pick up a device, it's mostly in the wrist, especially in how you can use the Mini with one hand.

Yes, the Retina Mini is a bit heavier than the weight of the original, but after a while, I got adjusted to it. It's a worthy payoff considering the screen and spec bump.

I can say I was initially a bit disappointed, but because I am a Mini user and not a full-size user really, it feels great now. It's nothing too heavy or anything. Still a bit lighter than the Air, even if, at first, it seems like the Air is lighter (mostly due to the height).

The wrist can be improved with the forearm. It's still muscle. Here is a simple exercise you can do to improve your ipad holding

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/one-move-for-huge-forearms-wrist-curls.html

Now you too can pick up a few more grams and hold them

 

[Zcott]

But what about the weight of the strap?

 

[syd430]

I've gone for 4 years. And I do one muscle group a day. My schedule is usually like this:

Monday running
Tuesday Triceps
Wednesday Biceps
Thursday Neck/running
Friday Chest
Saturday Legs
Sunday Back/Shoulders/Forearms

Holy crap I just went back and actually read your post this time.

Tuesday Triceps
Wednesday Biceps

Ok...

Thursday Neck/running

lol what? You have a "neck day"? I'm sure you've been bodybuilding for 4 years. First person I've ever seen that trains their neck, let alone has a whole day for it. I'm assuming you mean traps? Then again you would just throw that in with your back day. "Neck day" lol...

 

[Zellio]

Holy crap I just went back and actually read your post this time.



Ok...



lol what? You have a "neck day"? I'm sure you've been bodybuilding for 4 years. First person I've ever seen that trains their neck, let alone has a whole day for it. I'm assuming you mean traps? Then again you would just throw that in with your back day. "Neck day" lol...

Yes, you read it right. 'Neck day'. It's more or less a day where I run, but the only exercise is neck related since it's an exercise that frankly, quite dangerous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOgW7HrSBfo

You've never heard of 4 way neck machines?

And MMA fighters, boxers, body building competitors, and anyone who wants to survive car wrecks and not just build biceps and chest do necks.

 

[dontpannic]

Nobody else think that's actually a lot of the extra weight?

3 pencils? No, it's not. I'd happily strap 3 pencils to the back so that I could have a retina display.

 

[m.costa]

Jesus christ. Is there really a discussion taking place about 23g being a lot? 3 pencils? Gym routines? Wtf?

 

[syd430]

Jesus christ. Is there really a discussion taking place about 23g being a lot?

If you're going to say that 23g is not a lot for you then at least post your gym routine so we can see how much you lift. It's pretty customary in this thread to do so.

 

[wingsabr]

So how many sets and reps to lift for this to feel normal?

 

[DFZD]

1) PPI is only relevant in relation to the normal viewing distance. The iPad mini is smaller than the Air. The normal viewing distance is smaller, therefore a greater PPI is required to achive the same sharpness at the normal viewing distance. So few people on this forum understand this, you included.

2) The mini appears to have lower colour reproduction compared to the Air. In no way is the mini display superior to the Air as you claim.

Anyway, why write a post just talking about screens? You're in the wrong thread.

There's a popular saying, "We see only what we wish to see."

I mentioned a lot of other specs along with the display, and my point was that the iPad mini 2 is the most VFM product from Apple at the moment. But few people on this forum understand this, you included.

Apple just did us a favor. We were complaining how ipad mini gen 1 is too expensive at launch usd 329 without retina.

Now Tim Cook gave us the retina we want at additional 70 usd which we dont want. I see a lot less complain than last year. Probably because people are already used to apple device being overpriced and overhyped.

The truth is that the iPad Mini One was a very low end device from first day, it had the hardware of a 2 year old iPad (now 3). It was made so to reach a particular price point. Apple doesn't like to make low end devices but it made an exception with iPad Mini, and it was mostly to counter the then recently released Amazon Kindle Fire Tablet.
The iPad Mini Two on the other hand is a very modern day device, and it beats the living daylight out of most other 7-8 inch tablets.

 

[TroyBoy30]

23 grams is a lot of weight?

it is if youre dealing coke

 

[kalt]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weber–Fechner_law

Pursuant to the Weber-Fechner Law, the just noticeable difference (jnd) between two weights is approximately proportional to the weights. Thus, if the weight of 105 g can (only just) be distinguished from that of 100 g, the jnd (or differential threshold) is 5 g, or in the SI system, a force or weight of 0.005xg N. If the mass is doubled, the differential threshold also doubles to 10 g, so that 210 g can be distinguished from 200 g. In this example, a weight (any weight) seems to have to increase by 5% for someone to be able to reliably detect the increase, and this minimum required fractional increase (of 5/100 of the original weight) is referred to as the "Weber fraction" for detecting changes in weight. The relationship between stimulus and perception is logarithmic. This logarithmic relationship means that if a stimulus varies as a geometric progression (i.e., multiplied by a fixed factor), the corresponding perception is altered in an arithmetic progression (i.e., in additive constant amounts).

That's all you need to know about comparing a device that weights 23 g more/less than another.

 

[syd430]

That's all you need to know about comparing a device that weights 23 g more/less than another.

Interesting, but I don't think this is as relevant as you think. Even if it didn't exceed the jnd, intuitively speaking, muscle fatigue would set in faster with the heavier item over long periods of use, regardless of whether the user initially noticed the change in weight or not.