It’s an obstacle to read 162 pages? I mean…how easy do they expect it to be to open up a computer and replace parts. The iFIxit guys do it for a living and are basically saying we can acquire their skills and knowledge without work and study.
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iFixit Says Apple's DIY Repair Program Makes MacBooks 'Seem Less Repairable'
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My 2011 MBP was a delight to service. Replaced the RAM, battery, storage drive. Easy peasy.
Not if your data shows that battery replacement is so rare that replacement doesn’t need to impact design choices. Everything is a trade off. I assume the top engineers at apple made decisions based on the data they had.
This seems to be Apple's new motto - "sure, we'll comply... but on our terms."
It's just like how Apple only added wireless charging when the EU threatened to mandate USB-C on all phones sold in Europe.
My guess is Apple made this repair process intentionally and needlessly complicated, specifically to dissuade customers from going the DIY route. I bet in most cases, Apple is hoping that customers will simply abandon their "broken" device and opt to just replace it with a shiny brand new unit, rather than deal with the hassle of repairing it (DIY or repair center).
It's just like how Apple only added wireless charging when the EU threatened to mandate USB-C on all phones sold in Europe.
My guess is Apple made this repair process intentionally and needlessly complicated, specifically to dissuade customers from going the DIY route. I bet in most cases, Apple is hoping that customers will simply abandon their "broken" device and opt to just replace it with a shiny brand new unit, rather than deal with the hassle of repairing it (DIY or repair center).
Yes. I am not trying to read the Bible
This is an absurd comparison.
Apple chooses not is suggesting they have to flip a switch and it’s done without any trade offs. But there are lots of trade offs and so they made a 100 different choices that led to a non user replaceable battery. Completely different engineering question than a remote control.
My point wasn’t reading …my point was people expecting a simple set of instructions for something complicated. My kids have Lego sets with 162 pages of steps because sometimes things are complicated.
Being that Tesla batteries cost $23,000 to replace (from what I have heard), if there is an alternative that saves a significant amount of money, I'd consider it.Imagine if Telsa sends you a DIY Repair kit and instructs you to change the lithium battery of your car.
I think that replacing a battery shouldn't be considered a repair. It shouldn't be a complex task. Remember when Apple's laptop had removable batteries?
Back in the day, all mobile phones had user replaceable batteries! Even custom covers!
iFixit is full of crap, as usual. Removing a glued-on battery can be quite dangerous. I've accidentally punctured batteries a few times, and I've been disassembling and reassembling equipment for 40 years or so.
Unlike iFixIt, Apple has to worry about liability. One person burning their house down because they popped a battery would cost Apple millions. Nobody's going to bother suing iFixIt (or any of the people who sell batteries).
Unlike iFixIt, Apple has to worry about liability. One person burning their house down because they popped a battery would cost Apple millions. Nobody's going to bother suing iFixIt (or any of the people who sell batteries).
They'll be popular with most users, but yes definitely not all users.
I don't disagree that the wait time's a pain, but if you want to take it to a non-Apple repairer, you can.
Tim Crook always look for a way to squeeze the last nickel out. Sad
What people terrified of screwdrivers are also missing is that these guides (and this one is no different) are often truly needlessly specific on each individual thing you need to do including intense amounts of detail for steps that are super obvious. You could likely edit this one down to less than a dozen pages if you removed the listing of every part, photo of every part, explanation of what keyboard layouts are, etc.
It's usually a good thing that guides are this detailed though, I'd love to see how people react around here to the way fixing things used to be where all you got was a single page exploded view that had been xeroxed so many times all the detail is gone and you just had to figure it out.
A battery in a Mac doesn't have to be designed to be swapped out as easily as one would on a remote. However, gluing a battery down when it could be screwed in place or forcing you to remove several fragile components to get to the battery is not good design.
The underlying issue here is that electronics need to start being built to be more easily repairable. This era we live in where you can buy a replacement every other year and throw your old device in the trash is just not going to last.
If something as simple as a battery replacement is needlessly complicated, then that isn't Right to Repair. That's social engineering to try to discourage users from fixing their device they bought, paid for, and own.
Running with the car analogy, imagine there were no independent repair shops. You had to go back to the dealer for an oil change, and it was $500 every three months. Now, they offer the option to do it yourself too, but they require you to take out the engine and pay them $2000 for the supplies. For $50 of oil and a $20 filter. That's what this is really about: Apple wants to prevent you from going to an independent shop for that sub-$100 oil change.
Lol, do you actually believe yourself? Cause it sounds like you almost do..
Almost as if the whole point of Right to Repair is you have the RIGHT to REPAIR should you choose, and others have that right.
There is, it's called other EVs. There are better all electric cars than Tesla that are a lot better to repair. Cheaper too.
Compared to the iPhone 12/13 part prices I was actually quite shocked how reasonable the prices were. For my 16” M1 Max unit, both the logic board and screen were $500-$600/ea after the core return. That’s not bad considering those are 3/4 of the machine, which originally cost $3500. All the small things like USB ports, MagSafe board, fans, are like $15-$20. And unlike the iPhone you don’t risk cracking your display trying to open the thing.
I think it’s quite fair, and I assume the battery itself will be coming soon at a much more reasonable price than $500+.
I think it’s quite fair, and I assume the battery itself will be coming soon at a much more reasonable price than $500+.
You are entitled to repair. Nobody is taking it from you.
You want the rights to free parts.
The sad part is, older MacBooks like the MacBook Pro 2012 were already very repairable, and upgradable. Apple's "genius" and "design prowess" painted it into a repairability and upgradability sink hole.
Apple: just go back to what you used to do back in 2012 before you glued everything down. Let users repair/upgrade the RAM, SSD, and battery. If the RAM needs to be soldered down due to unified memory concerns, then at least let users upgrade/repair the SSD and battery storage. They used to do it before, and so they can do it again!
Apple: just go back to what you used to do back in 2012 before you glued everything down. Let users repair/upgrade the RAM, SSD, and battery. If the RAM needs to be soldered down due to unified memory concerns, then at least let users upgrade/repair the SSD and battery storage. They used to do it before, and so they can do it again!