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Serious question: how many of them were operating on used equipment to begin with?

Apple doesn't make money when someone buys a five year old Mac to limp along for a few years, but that group is often angry that Apple (or any company!) doesn't cater to them.
Honestly about 50/50 for used purchases. That most frequently seems to happen because Avid takes forever and a week to support new OS versions. When they do buy new hardware, they seem to buy mid to high end, so it lasts for years.
 
Didn't Apple already tell you at time of purchase that it is not? Why the obsession with this? Just buy what you need.

The issue with non-upgradable components is that you cannot just buy today what you need looking at your needs now or in the near future: you need to buy now trying to account for what you might need much later in the lifecycle of the product.

Needs do evolve, sometimes unexpectedly, meaning that non-upgradable components might become quite limiting in the effective life of a product unless one has the means and willingness to buy today well above their current needs to cover for the future.

Flexibility is already a big deal, not even to mention that third-party upgrades might be a much better bang for your bucks compared to equivalent first-party options.
 
"It's a "worthy successor to the ‌Mac mini‌, but isn't quite ready for the pros," said the site". I don't consider anyone a pro who tries to grate cheese on a Mac Pro. So who cares what they said? and yet on it's sheer performance and reasonable price many Pros will be just fine with it. And yes, find a Dell or Asus configured to the same specs (don't forget the Ssd speed if you go Dell - cause they use crappy SSDs unless you upgrade), before you make any comments on price/performance. Send links
 
I mean it is what it is. Apple doesn't like you opening stuff up, but the winds are blowing in that direction. So apple figured out ways to prevent you from doing that, but also wrap it up in a story about how it benefits you as well.

Whether you're ok with that or not, apple hasn't changed its stripes.
 
Pros don't work on their own machines. They use them, and replace when the time comes. Any issues are handled under warranty.

iFixit needs to adjust their definitions.
User upgradeable doesn't mean that the user themselves actually has to pull the machine apart themselves, it means that it is trivial to do (and swapping out plug-in RAM and SSDs certainly is trivial, you simply unscrew the back of the machine, pop out the existing module, and pop in the new one), and you can either do it yourself, or give it to your nerdy friend to do for you, or give it to your IT department to do, etc.
 
I mean it is what it is. Apple doesn't like you opening stuff up, but the winds are blowing in that direction. So apple figured out ways to prevent you from doing that, but also wrap it up in a story about how it benefits you as well.

Whether you're ok with that or not, apple hasn't changed its stripes.
Then Apple should have found a way to provide the same level of performance without using any fans. If there was such a thing as minimum standards for accessibility, computer cooling fans should be top of the list.
 
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"It's a "worthy successor to the ‌Mac mini‌, but isn't quite ready for the pros," said the site". I don't consider anyone a pro who tries to grate cheese on a Mac Pro. So who cares what they said? and yet on it's sheer performance and reasonable price many Pros will be just fine with it. And yes, find a Dell or Asus configured to the same specs (don't forget the Ssd speed if you go Dell - cause they use crappy SSDs unless you upgrade), before you make any comments on price/performance. Send links
I’m almost certain that was tossed in there to increase the “engagement” with the video. :) YouTube doesn’t care if the comment is positive/negative or even useful. If there are multiple comments stating “THIS IS MOST CERTAINLY FOR PRO’S YOU DOLTS!” it’s all good with the algorithm.
 
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Serious question: how many of them were operating on used equipment to begin with?

Apple doesn't make money when someone buys a five year old Mac to limp along for a few years, but that group is often angry that Apple (or any company!) doesn't cater to them.
I can only speak for myself, but I don’t buy used computers. I do buy Certified Apple Refurbished computers. Often, an audio interface will outlast a particular port that Apple has abandoned (FireWire, Thunderbolt 1/2) and DAW applications often lag behind in updating to support newer versions of macOS. Also, when a particular workflow for a particular client works well and when the money rolls in with a proven workflow, changing it up can cause problems, giving the client an excuse to go somewhere else. The key is to keep proven workflows while introducing new equipment into the mix to test or in a non-critical role until the software catches up or the hardware craps out, which is not very often. Once you have a working setup, tearing it out and replacing it can just be unacceptable downtime. Not to mention that interfaces can be very expensive and master the quirks of a new one aren’t always worth the time and effort.
 
Serious question: how many of them were operating on used equipment to begin with?

Apple doesn't make money when someone buys a five year old Mac to limp along for a few years, but that group is often angry that Apple (or any company!) doesn't cater to them.
Ah, yes. Because Apple isn't in the software/app/media/music business...
 
User upgradeable doesn't mean that the user themselves actually has to pull the machine apart themselves, it means that it is trivial to do (and swapping out plug-in RAM and SSDs certainly is trivial, you simply unscrew the back of the machine, pop out the existing module, and pop in the new one), and you can either do it yourself, or give it to your nerdy friend to do for you, or give it to your IT department to do, etc.
Replacing an SSD is not trivial for most people because you have to get your old system completely functioning onto the new SSD.

RAM upgrades should be simple, but the RAM is integrated. Could Apple provide an empty slot? I guess.
 
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I thought everyone only uses computers in a sterile clean room while wearing a bunny suit. Or perhaps that's what Jony Ive personally does, so everyone else must also.
Jony didn't like screws. They spoiled the "lines" of the design. That's why our iMacs are glued together instead of some screws around the perimeter. As an old service tech it's something that's always bothered me. Ever since my first Mac mini, which I had to pry open.
 
That's how I read it. They did just eliminate the concept that a single drive is "married" to a single Studio. Moving "the same size from one to another" and it working means there is not a hardware/software key. So there's at least potential that someone finds a software "block" that would make a Studio ignore what is in the other slot.

The drive is "married" to the Studio. The key to all the encrypted data on the drive is in the Secure Enclave. So it can't be read on another Mac. What can be done is the same thing that was required for Mac Pro ( and iMac Pro) upgrades is that have to run Configurator to DFU the drive to reset it.

Seriously not surprising that a '1' drive only works in a '1' slot and that a two '1' modules don't make a single SSD.

"... making sure to place each module in the correct socket.

Important: The modules are marked “1” and “2”. The module marked “1” must be installed in the socket marked “1” and the module marked “2” must be installed in the socket marked “2”.
..."

Kind of strange how these supposed high skill mac tech support sites flonder around on this topic when Apple has had these NAND daughter card 'modules' for about 5 years now ( first appeared in iMac Pro 2017 ). These modules are subcomponents of a single SSD drive. They are not independent , randomly mix and match parts. A single SSD typically completely uniform NAND chips. Not spurious stuff thrown in by 3rd party users.

What is implicitly mentioned in the video is that need a 2nd Mac to do this "replacement" ( running Configurator).


If Apple is also encrypting the drive metadata ( likely with a always on encryption protocol ) then doing a DFU of a used drive into a system gets to be a slippery slope later when there are identified bad sectors on the NAND chips. The historical wear data, mapped out bad sectors , and other housekeeping metadata may be wiped out by a DFU.
If so this only really makes sense long term for brand new modules.


If solely for storage repairability, I'm not grasping why Apple would need to build in 2 slots. I would assume maybe there were plans for BTO all the way to 16TB in 2 drives but they backed that down to 8TB MAX (for now).

Easy path to capacity is two slots. They can use about the same size NAND chips to build a 4TB drive if have a 2TB single daughter card implementation. They just tell the SSD controller to use twice as many of the same size NAND chips. Apple gets higher economies of scale on higher volume of bulk NAND chip purchases and user gets higher than "one card" capacity. Same thing for a max of 8TB (with two 4's ).

Apple isn't trying to buy the most dense NAND chips possible. Wear patterns are different and often drifting off into triple/quad bit storage zone which has other overhead. Also if trying to keep the wear pattern spread out doing it over twice as many non-hyper-density NAND chips helps rather than trying to pack them onto fewer NAND chips.

The teardown reviewers aren't buying the top end of the SSD scale any more they are buying most max'ed out Ultra either. It is expensive enough and have to generation ad (and controversy " ... does two 1's fail? watch and learn... " views just to help pay for system. )

It probably isn't just solely for reparability. There are customers of Apple that routinely do a "drive pull" before returns a system for recycling or retirement. At the end of lifecycle it is better to shred the daughter cards than to have to shred the whole/most of the logic board.
 
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