The Pre sucks. My friend who has a dad that works for Palm got one like a month before public launch practically shoved it up my nose. I looked at it and never gotten used to a ridiculously tiny and cheaply made keyboard. It's so small and my fingers aren't that fat, rather skinny. And scrolling doesn't even work as smoothly as the iPhone. As far as I can tell, Palm basically ripped off the iPhone design and software. There' almost nothing that Palm designed by themselves. Except a cheap keyboard and a wireless charging system that was derived from Intel.